Women vs. Computers.

[bigbootydaddy]

still cant find a woman starcraft lover...

why is life so cruel!!

 

[wyvrn]

Ok then I don't hate to generalize.

Feel better?

 

[Yeeny]

unxpurg8d: Stop frustrating yourself with these boys. No matter what they say, sometimes you just cannot teach an old dog new tricks....

 

[wyvrn]

I don't think it is generalizing to make a statement and back it up with fact. Correct me if I am wrong.

 

[SmiZ]

I'm a rather young dog and I thought tricks were for kids.

 

[unxpurg8d]

Wyvrn, you're not wrong if that's what you've done, but I've still not seen one "fact". All you men have posted is personal observations based on your own experiences. Those hardly qualify as facts.

If they DO, then MY personal observations and experiences are just as valid, and I only know women who are very hardware and software knowledgeable - which makes the initial post's point wrong.

Again, since neither of us have statistics or facts to back up our observations and generalizations we're both equally correct.... or incorrect, depending on your point of view.

 

[wyvrn]

Ok so lets hold a national survey and find out the truth. Say poll 1000 women at random? What do we have to go on other than our experiences? And the observations I have made are fact, just that they may not be representative of the US womens' population as a whole. But don't blame people for making observations on what they see, I am sure you do it as well.

That brings up the question, do we see what we believe or believe what we see?

 

[bigd480]

unxpurg8d:


<< It's not that WE're not interested, or that WE're &quot;brain-wired&quot; differently - it's that YOU guys suck up all of our time since Y'ALL can't even seem to find your socks in the morning without US, and WE don't have any to spare for the things WE'd really prefer doing................. but because WE're a whole lot less selfish, WE give up the things that make US happy in order to ensure YOUR happiness. So there. >>




My my.... quite a lot of generalizations for someone who doesn't like em.... So I suppose &quot;we&quot; can't make generalizations based on what &quot;we&quot; have seen but &quot;you&quot; can speak for the entire female gender =)

I never said anything about discouraging women from pursuing geekiness; i'd love it if my daughter had technical interests and do whatever I could to support them....

Our &quot;generalization&quot; deals with w/ observations.... An observation is a representation of a particular space in time.... It doesn't mean it's always going to be like that.... Generalizations about people in the 50's probably aren't applicable today, and eventually these may not be applicable in the future.... That doesn't mean they don't reflect the way things are now....

 

[wyvrn]

LOL

I only know women who are very hardware and software knowledgeable - which makes the initial post's point wrong.

No it doesn't. Your observation is not representative of all women either. And I find it hard to believe you do not know a single women who is not computer savvy. REALLY?

Sorry to pick on you, but you started it

 

[unxpurg8d]

No, &quot;she&quot; is just amused that somehow you managed to totally NOT read the first line where I obviously stated I was generalizing, and that it was being done in a humorous/sarcastic manner.

 

[bigd480]

unxpurg8d:

Why are you so hung up on facts and statistics? Because you know that it's impossible to apply facts to something as ubiquitous as gender roles? Or do you not realize that?

Example: Do you love your mother? I want cold hard quantifiable evidence of this. No testimonials.

Observations are what all study of human behavior is based on... Ever take Psychology? &quot;Facts&quot; are gathered by observation and then generalizations are made based on those observations... From that perspective, any bonafide observation of anything can be considered a fact...

 

[Yeeny]

If they DO, then MY personal observations and experiences are just as valid, and I only know women who are very hardware and software knowledgeable - which makes the initial post's point wrong.

Miss something in that quote wvyrn?

 

[unxpurg8d]

Bigd480, you've just put into a sentence the entire problem with this whole thread. &quot;Gender roles&quot;. If you can't understand that I've been arguing that basing an opinion on a person's computer knowledge solely on whether the person you're looking at is male or female is ludicrous, then there's no point in continuing this.




EDIT FOR GF: Thank you, I'd missed the deliberate misquote 'cause I was back slamming my head against the wall.

 

[fdiskboy]

blah blah blah

Nef

And now back to your regularly scheduled pointless debate....

 

[wyvrn]

Miss something in that quote wvyrn?

I read that ok, at least my eyes haven't failed me yet (crosses fingers). I just don't believe it. An circumstance where all data is either 100% or 0% would be thrown out by a statistician. If she had said, well 90 % or most of the woman I know are computer literate, then I can see that.

Bigd480, you've just put into a sentence the entire problem with this whole thread. &quot;Gender roles&quot;. If you can't understand that I've been arguing that basing an opinion on a person's computer knowledge solely on whether the person you're looking at is male or female is ludicrous, then there's no point in continuing this.

Not really. I happen to believe gender socialization has something to do with &quot;boys&quot; using computers more than &quot;girls&quot;. I am not saying &quot;girls&quot; are inferior to boys are anything silly like that, just that issues like this do exist.

You did not answer my question though, do you see what you believe or believe what you see?



EDIT FOR GF: Thank you, I'd missed the deliberate misquote 'cause I was back slamming my head against the wall.

If you are talking about me, I did not misquote anything. In fact, I copied and pasted your text and even italicized it for you.

EDIT: I am editing in order to keep my replies to one post at a time.

 

[SmiZ]

unxpurg8d:

Men and women are different. In general*gasp* they have different interests. There are exceptions to every rule, but I can't believe that men and women are exactly the same, and therefore they will have different traits. One of these traits that is noticeable to me and to others in this thread is that MOST men enjoy doing specific things with their computers more than MOST women.


I would say that MOST blonde haired people enjoy certain things if I noticed that they do, but I can't think of one thing that blonde haired people like to do that other people don't so I don't make a generalization there. In this specific case, I do notice a difference, so I do make a generalization.

Generalizations aren't meant to be an end all. We realize that they don't account for everyone in a certain category, but they do for most. As long as you don't use them to prejudice against specific individuals, (long haired freaky people need not apply) I see nothing wrong with them.

 

[hopefloats]

Quite early in the thread it became clear that this topic was going to become circular when thereds said:


<< no sh|t, Pretender. Hahahaha guess what, some girl has come and taken a seat right by me at the computer lab. Guess what she is doing? Chatting. >>


Interestingly enough, what was thereds doing at that same time? Cracking genetic code to find the cure for cancer? No... he was chatting here in OT. If this girl had peeked over at his screen, she could have very likely made the same generalization that all boys do on computers is chat... and she would have been absolutely correct, based on her own personal observations.

GirlFriday: lol... silly me indeed...

 

[wyvrn]

I am not talking about women who do the same thing as I. I am talking about all women that I know, that have a range of races, ages, and occupations.

You proved what I think is true in your post, hopefloats. I think mose people see what they believe rather than the other way around.



EDIT: spelling

 

[Yeeny]

Interestingly enough, what was thereds doing at that same time? Cracking genetic code to find the cure for cancer? No... he was chatting here in OT.

ROFL hopefloats! Good point!

If you are talking about me, I did not misquote anything. In fact, I copied and pasted your text and even italicized it for you.

wvyrn: You may have cut pasted and even italicized her words for her, but you still did not include the whole quote. She was obviously being flippant with her comment, and you made it seem like she was stating facts.

 

[Prodigy^]

Well what I can tell you is that I based my comments on what I've experience in my life. Mom is horrible with technical stuff, and so are most of my friends' mothers. I've always been in schools (well, two - primary and high school) with tons of hot chicks that stayed the HELL away from computers and technical stuff. It's not common here for nice and sweet girls to be involved with computers - not that I'm saying it should stay this way, but that's how it is.

LIKE IT OR NOT!

now go cook me some dinner unxpurg8d and be quiet.
















































just kidding

 

[Zenmervolt]

SmiZ, I found your parallel of the tennage driver generalization to be quite appropriate. Also, bonus points for quoting a classic rock song in your last post (and extra bonus points for the song being by the &quot;Five Man Electrical Band&quot.
As an 18 year old male, I will admit that at least 75% of the time I'm on the computer I'm either on the internet (includes chatting &amp;c) or typing a paper. Maybe 5% of the time is spent coding C for one of my classes, and the other 20% is split among photo and audio editing and HTML scripting. I know where you are coming from on this, and I have to agree with you. The observations made are simply observations, and do not entail an edorsement of the status quo. Just because most of the girls I know care little about computers beyond learning how to use what is directly necessary to them does not mean that I feel all women ought to behave that way. Simply pointing out common differences between the sexes is not stating that either sex is inferior to the other. Those diferences are what makes life interesting, I for one would not have it any other way. Finally, I have never personally known anyone of either sex who could not be taught anything, most girls I know refuse offers to teach them more about computers on the basis that they already know enough to do what is necessary (which is 100% true). My guess is that the &quot;tweaking&quot; instinct in men is a leftover from the days when males had to work hard to elevate their status within the herd.

Zenmervolt

Standard Flame Defence Disclaimer: This is limited to the writer's experience with what would be considered a statistically insignificant group of persons belonging to either the male or female category. The writer assumes no special knowledge of the US population as a whole, but defends his ideas regardless.

 

[thereds]

Actually hopefloats, at that particular point in time, I was intending on doing some research on the Lockerbie trial and the crash.
The reason as to why I started this thread itself was because the computer lab was full and I browsed around to see what people were doing. The lab had more girls than guys. Most of the girls were on yahoo! chat, mIRC or e-mailing. The guys were e-mailing too, some dude was actually on AT, some guy was looking at CounterStrike, others were just reading news. It just pissed me off that I couldn't get a computer since some people were chatting. And then it struck me that, most girls who end up coming to these labs (a place where I once worked) use that for e-mail, chat and doing their papers.
This is why I came on to AT to post the thread.
And yes, if I did find a cure for cancer with the help of a computer, you'd be the first to know.

 

[SmiZ]

As a type of closure I would like any of the ladies in this thread to let me know which of the following is ok:


* Pointing out observable differences between sexes
* Differentiating between two groups of people
* Making observations which separate the two
* Acknowledge the fact that males and females are genetically different which results in more than just physical differences

I'd be interested to hear what you have to say. Thank you.

 

[hopefloats]

wyvrn: yes? I think we can agree that perception is not always necessarily reality.

thereds: Ahh? a little background information goes a long way. Thank you.

I could tell you were ticked about something but was unsure as to why you were singling out women and what we used computers for, which is why I asked my earlier question regarding how men use computers differently than women.

I now understand where you were coming from knowing that more women than men use the same computer lab as you do. But from what you saw when you browsed around, it really doesn't appear that men use the box any more purposefully than women do... which is how I believe your original post was interpreted.

Anyway, my last Office SR has just finished downloading into my Xdrive and when I can schedule the downtime, I will be reformatting my 9month old hdd for the first time. Nervous? You betcha! But the reality is... if I want to play, I have to learn how to clean up after myself just in case I make a big mess, which I believe, is an equal opportunity hair raising event. Once I get this under my belt... I will truly be mistress of my own domaine and quite frankly, there will just be no stopping me because I will be in constant search of new computer vistas to conquer! *insert evil grin here* But that?s just me.

 

[Svperstarr]

damn. and i thought i had too much time on my hands at work. ladies, don't get upset by the words my fellow pigs rant. you know it, we know it... women could easily live without men, but men would be fukked without women.

now i am going to crawl back to the pen i came from. oink!