Women should be given 12 month's paid maternity leave

[JulesMaximus]

I disagree with all paid maternity leave. Why should I, as a business owner, give you money because you chose to have a child? You're literally paying someone to breed.

Why should you, as a business owner, pay anyone anything? You should be allowed to force the poor in this country to do thy bidding for pennies a day!

 

[DivideBYZero]

I disagree with all paid maternity leave. Why should I, as a business owner, give you money because you chose to have a child? You're literally paying someone to breed.

No population = no customers. :awe:

 

[DAGTA]

Why should you, as a business owner, pay anyone anything? You should be allowed to force the poor in this country to do thy bidding for pennies a day!

Why work at all? Why not just take all of the fiat money from the rich and give it to the poor?

If I decide to have a child in a few years, Jules, I expect you to send me a large check to help pay for that child. I'm glad you agree!

 

[DAGTA]

No population = no customers. :awe:

So you think lack of maternity leave is going to cause people to stop having children?

Your logic is fail

 

[JS80]

Rainbows and unicorns would be nice too.

 

[actuarial]

In Canada we get 12 months (maternity and paternity combined, so it could be 52 weeks and 0, 40 and 12, etc.), but it only pays 55% of the lesser of your salary or the YMPE (which is indexed annualy, and is about 46,000 this year).

It's paid for through EI premiums, and basically assumes you lost your job at the pregnancy date. If you were on EI leading up to it, that period of time reduces your maternity benefits.

So there's a pretty substantial cap, it's based on your salary, and it's gender equitable. Works pretty well for me! I think they're considering extending it to 18 months soon.

 

[Patt]

pretty sure the chicks in my office get it. yeah. they do. so i guess in Canada, the "success" of this "policy" is at least somewhat apparent from my tiny insignificant perspective.

Yeah, but they don't get 100% of their salary. There is maximums, and unless the company itself is 'topping them up', they can only get a maximum of a certain value.

And it doesn't just apply to women, men can go on maternity leave (though not for the first month), and have the same apply in Canada. My wife and I looked at it, but it wasn't financially advantageous to do it as the maximums were well below what I pull in every month.

 

[QueBert]

So anyone that makes a lifestyle choice that results in more spending should get bigger tax breaks?

Sweet, I'm going to go buy a $100K car and a $1M house. Give me my tax breaks!

Uh, having a child results in another human being who will go on to work and generate taxes. A car isn't going to make 50k a year for 25 years and help the economy. You can't really compare a one time purchase to that. If you can find a car that will put a good amount of money into our economy every year then yes, you should get a break.

 

[meltdown75]

Yeah, but they don't get 100% of their salary. There is maximums, and unless the company itself is 'topping them up', they can only get a maximum of a certain value.

And it doesn't just apply to women, men can go on maternity leave (though not for the first month), and have the same apply in Canada. My wife and I looked at it, but it wasn't financially advantageous to do it as the maximums were well below what I pull in every month.

:thumbsup:

 

[thegimp03]

A woman I work with has a group of 3 young women who work under her, and all of them just had babies. She's had to bring in a couple of consultants and the company has to pay them $150-200 an hour to make up for these 3 women being out of the office. I think paid maternity leave for a couple of months is necessary, but after that, I think the "paid" option should go away and the new mother can either take PTO or unpaid time off. When I started at this company, there was a woman who worked in the cubicle next to mine who was just leaving on maternity leave. She was gone for a few months on the company's dime and then we all got word that she'd left the company.

 

[Patranus]

Why should a company eat the bill for a personal choice that happens off the clock and and no input from the company?

Government see a wage disparity between men and women and thinks discrimination is occurring. It would be interesting to see if, when taken with benefits such as paid maternity leave, if that wage disparity is less than some claim.

 

[vi edit]

Most I would support would be some sort of sick bank accruel system that any reasonably sized employer should be encouraged to provide. That's what my employer does. You can build up to 12 weeks of sick time and can get enough PTO built up to cover around 640 hours (another three months) giving you 6 months off, paid.

You pay off the sick time first and then start to tap into PTO. This should be applied to other medical related issues to like surgery/extended illnesses/ect.

The sick time should have no actual worth...it doesn't get cashed out when you leave/retire. It takes years to recharge and isn't immediately availble. It's also of no burden to tax payers.

 

[0roo0roo]

Why should you, as a business owner, pay anyone anything? You should be allowed to force the poor in this country to do thy bidding for pennies a day!

why should you demand it off their backs?

all you are actually doing is quietly discouraging businesses to think twice about hiring any woman within child bearing age. the cost of covering a position for a whole year and then handing it back are simply enormous, more than many businesses can bear. why shouldn't women be encouraged to create a stable family unit where she can depend on another income during such a period, women don't self generate sperm after all, and pregnancy doesn't spontaneously happen out of the blue. it is removing responsibility from women.

 

[RearAdmiral]

I'm going to give my wife 10 hours of sandwich and kitchen cleaning leave when she squirts out a kid, then back to work.

 

[StageLeft]

I think it's comical. They do some such crap like this in Canada, if you cannot pay for kids keep your legs closed. Save that money up, damn. Why stop at 12 months why not 36. Fvck it. If you have a kid you get a full high salary forever.

So there's a pretty substantial cap, it's based on your salary, and it's gender equitable. Works pretty well for me! I think they're considering extending it to 18 months soon.

Good but not good enough. Extend it until the kid is in college I say.

I think some Canadians are incredulous that people in the US receive absolutely no money when they have a kid but they should be incredulous that you do receive it.

 

[weflyhigh]

You guys all say that it's the woman's responsibility and that she should not have a child if she cannot afford it...
But, almost half (49&#37😉 of pregnancies in America are unintended.

Are you saying that woman should abstain from having intercourse at all until they can financially afford it?

I doubt many/any of you follow that logic yourselves.

 

[RearAdmiral]

You guys all say that it's the woman's responsibility and that she should not have a child if she cannot afford it...
But, almost half (49%) of pregnancies in America are unintended.

Are you saying that woman should abstain from having intercourse at all until they can financially afford it?

I doubt many/any of you follow that logic yourselves.

Well half the population needs to be below average. I don't want a money sink child yet so I keep my peepee in my teepee. I <3 spending my own money on what I want too much.

 

[StageLeft]

You guys all say that it's the woman's responsibility and that she should not have a child if she cannot afford it...
But, almost half (49%) of pregnancies in America are unintended.

Are you saying that woman should abstain from having intercourse at all until they can financially afford it?

I doubt many/any of you follow that logic yourselves.

Half of people are fvcking stupid. 99.9% of those pregnancies are not from mechanical errors (broken condom or pill failing) but general incompetence (too stupid to take pill consistently, too dumb to put on a condom, can't be bothered to put on a condom, etc.).

So really what is the intent of this money? To cover women who are idiots and shouldn't have had the kid in any case?

 

[killster1]

You guys all say that it's the woman's responsibility and that she should not have a child if she cannot afford it...
But, almost half (49%) of pregnancies in America are unintended.

Are you saying that woman should abstain from having intercourse at all until they can financially afford it?

I doubt many/any of you follow that logic yourselves.

ever watch the movie Idiocracy, its basically what the world is about.

 

[Hacp]

You guys all say that it's the woman's responsibility and that she should not have a child if she cannot afford it...
But, almost half (49%) of pregnancies in America are unintended.

Are you saying that woman should abstain from having intercourse at all until they can financially afford it?

I doubt many/any of you follow that logic yourselves.

Theres something called the pill. FUCKING TAKE THE PILL!

 

[BurnItDwn]

I think there should be no "paid" maternity leave, and that instead, any money that would be spent on giving people maternity leave would instead be put into a generic bonus fund equally split amongst all the employees ....

people should not be getting hand outs because they have kids. And those without kids shouldn't be forced to make sacrifices or pay more due to other people who have kids....

Also, there should be no credits or tax write offs for having kids.

 

[yh125d]

This is one of the dumbest ideas I have ever heard

 

[InflatableBuddha]

Overly simplistic bullet points, check
Point to worst case example of where another country that has tried this and is not doing well regardless of the cause, check
Blame socialism for all ills of the world, check
Reinforce belief that helping anyone is always a bad idea, check
Generalize about the entire country and its citizens, check
Finish up with "it's the downfall of America"

Honestly, I think our inability to look at alternatives or rationally discuss things we might not agree with 100% is contributing to the downfall of America.

:thumbsup:

 

[ShawnD1]

I think enough people in this country have babies already so that they can get a free check.

People thinkin kids generate money ITT


Forget paid maternity leave. Let's execute everyone who has kids they can't pay for. Sure their kids could still turn out to be wonderful human beings if properly cared for, but it's easier to take the write off and not give any handouts to anyone ever.

 

[M0oG0oGaiPan]

this is why you don't hire women.