Women Get Paid 77 Cents for Every Dollar a Man Makes. How Much Should They Get Paid?

[TheDev]

If 77 cents is unfair, then what is fair?

 

[momeNt]

Either $1 and they insist on their right to publicly castrate all males, or $2 and we can keep our packages.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Why are they being paid anything? Who let them out of the kitchen?

 

[nextJin]

Y'all realize this is about life choices right? That figure is basically all women added up then averaged vs the same with men.

Women tend to do things like have kids and go into social work or humanitarian or nursing.

When looking at specific fields it is about the same and yes before anyone owns me there are exceptions 1 in about 500 thousand.

 

[openwheel]

they should get paid whatever they agree with their employer. If it happens to be lower, then so be it. I really don't see what the big deal is, except to get women votes. My boss is a woman and I make only a fraction of what she makes. I am not complaining.

 

[bfdd]

Women on average spend 30% less of their life working, not sure I see the issue.

 

[Jadow]

meaningless stat meant to gin up mindless liberals.

women also choose not to pursue some of the higher paid middle class jobs in factories, law enforcement, etc... At my company there's a lot of women in positions of power and they make as much as the men.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Your question has no contextual basis for consideration. What would I consider fair? That men and women doing the same job for the same time and the same quality ought to be paid the same. Citing a figure like 77 cents does not explain why that is at all. Did someone just add up all that males and females make and divide them by the numbers of each? If that's the case it's plain stupid to make any kind of comparison between the two figures.

 

[Fenixgoon]

how well did everyone bargain?

im curious if these sorts of surveys take into account that wages are not fixed - you can bargain (to some extent) to increase your wage. or the market might work against you and it is depressed at the time of application/hiring.

 

[nehalem256]

Y'all realize this is about life choices right? That figure is basically all women added up then averaged vs the same with men.

Women tend to do things like have kids and go into social work or humanitarian or nursing.

When looking at specific fields it is about the same and yes before anyone owns me there are exceptions 1 in about 500 thousand.

You realize that the point of modern liberalism is that women should be able to make any life choices they want with no consequences right

There is also great irony in liberals on the one hand claiming that corporations only care about making money. But then also claiming that they will hire men at 133% of the cost of a woman.

 

[momeNt]

So women sleep their way to the top, but don't ask for those extra $.23? One too few blowjobs? Maybe they didn't swallow. tsk tsk.

 

[nageov3t]

disingenuous, false statistic still appears to be false and disingenuous.

factoring out the obvious stuff like men and women tending to go into different fields and the fact that men tend to work more overtime while women are less willing/able to sacrifice family time for money, I believe the gender gap is more like $.05 and there aren't great ways of telling how much of it is due to institutional sexism, men being more aggressive about asking for raises/job hopping, etc.

for biological reasons, women are also more likely to have career gaps whereas men are more likely to work continuously (a week or two of paternity leave notwithstanding)

 

[frostedflakes]

You realize that the point of modern liberalism is that women should be able to make any life choices they want with no consequences right

There is also great irony in liberals on the one hand claiming that corporations only care about making money. But then also claiming that they will hire men at 133% of the cost of a woman.

This always amused me as well.

 

[Doppel]

You realize that the point of modern liberalism is that women should be able to make any life choices they want with no consequences right

There is also great irony in liberals on the one hand claiming that corporations only care about making money. But then also claiming that they will hire men at 133% of the cost of a woman.

Never seen it this way. I knew the stat was bullshit but this actually proves it unless we are to think that corporations hate women so much that they will hire a guy to do the exact same Jo even though he demands more pay.

 

[Smoblikat]

Same work same pay, unless you agreed to work for less.

 

[Screech]

This statistic is retarded.

 

[Wreckem]

Y'all realize this is about life choices right? That figure is basically all women added up then averaged vs the same with men.

Women tend to do things like have kids and go into social work or humanitarian or nursing.

When looking at specific fields it is about the same and yes before anyone owns me there are exceptions 1 in about 500 thousand.

Nursing, and most anything in healthcare, actually makes bank right now. In a lot of places nurses with experience can clear $100k/year and newbies can clear $70k. That is with overtime and shift differential of course. However, nursing jobs for newbies(GNs with ADNs/BSNs) are scarce right now though.

I wish I would have went for an ADN back in 2003. I would be so fucking far ahead right now its kind of sad/depressing.

 

[Agent11]

I would be interested in what sort of formula they use to identify the disparity though.

Is it salary and hourly gross compared to men in the same positions or do they simply compare all men to all women, and do things like higher medical insurance cost or unpaid time off get added to the equation?

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

Not this fucking bullshit again. Men and women aren't represented evenly across all professions.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

The 77 cent statistic might be across all professions, but even within individual professions women are found to make quite a bit less. Not to say it's because of institutional sexism, but the discrepancy does exist.

 

[nehalem256]

Never seen it this way. I knew the stat was bullshit but this actually proves it unless we are to think that corporations hate women so much that they will hire a guy to do the exact same Jo even though he demands more pay.

Not to mention that liberals are essentially arguing for a conspiracy involving millions of actors, many of whom are women themselves, all conspiring to pay women less than men for the same work.

It makes the Obama birthers look reasonable by comparison.

The 77 cent statistic might be across all professions, but even within individual professions women are found to make quite a bit less. Not to say it's because of institutional sexism, but the discrepancy does exist.

(1) If, as you seem to imply, the 77% number is complete BS then the actual discrepancy would almost certainly not be "quite a bit less"

(2) Even with an individual profession their exists discrepancy between what men make. Because of things like experience, hours worked, individual skill, the fact that individual professions are still going to be fairly broad, etc.

 

[OlafSicky]

Every woman I know makes good money equal to what a man in her profession makes. I don't buy these statistics.

 

[DaveSimmons]

There is also great irony in liberals on the one hand claiming that corporations only care about making money. But then also claiming that they will hire men at 133% of the cost of a woman.

Excellent point. If this context-free statistic is not garbage then why is Bain Capital, "The Banksters", Big Oil, and every other money-loving entity willing to pay such a premium if women are just as productive?

They'll ship jobs to Chinese prison labor to save a dime, they'll pollute the air, ground and water to save a penny, they'll put your grandma on the street when she can't pay the mortgage. Yet they'll pay so much extra for men?

 

[momeNt]

Excellent point. If this context-free statistic is not garbage then why is Bain Capital, "The Banksters", Big Oil, and every other money-loving entity willing to pay such a premium if women are just as productive?

They'll ship jobs to Chinese prison labor to save a dime, they'll pollute the air, ground and water to save a penny, they'll put your grandma on the street when she can't pay the mortgage. Yet they'll pay so much extra for men?

There is no "air club" that treats the air better than everything else, no "ground" or "water" club, no "girls" club. There is only a "boys" club, and that explains everything.

 

[PokerGuy]

The $0.77 stat is just a stat to rile up the morons incapable of critical thought (hello leftists, that means you). $0.77 means nothing out of context. Without an accurate analysis of how much each person works, what career choices they make, what their dedication to the job is, how effective they are at their job, how long they remain in their job etc etc etc etc, you can't draw any conclusions based on the pay level.

Funny how all those evil corporations act all corporationy and pay people the least amount possible, but at the same time supposedly hire men when they can hire women to do the same job for just $0.77 on the dollar LOL @ idiots who believe that tripe.