Women are "Hosts" lets slip OK Rep

[Ancalagon44]

It's the woman's right to choose. If the man wants a baby that badly, adopt one.

Stop thinking with your dick.

Why does the man not have that right?

I thought we wanted gender equality?

 

[Zorba]

I saw this on the local news last night. They didn't act like it had been tabled, but that it just passed committee. I saw this douche speaking on TV last name, and WOW, what a sexist tool.

There needs to be laws that any representative that passes knowingly unconstitutional bills has to personally pay for all legal fees defending them in court. This state is already completely broke, lowest paid teachers in the country, with another year of massive budget shortfalls, and this is what they are choosing to work on and spend the state's money on.

 

[Zorba]

Why does the man not have that right?

I thought we wanted gender equality?

Pregnancy is unequal, in that only women can host the parasite, therefore they are granted the ability to make medical decisions about their body until the parasite is a viable person. Upset about it, get a uterus and get pregnant yourself.

It is also true that since women are the sole possessor of the baby until birth, they are more often than not left holding the bag when they guy decides he wants no responsibility. If it were men giving birth, there would be far more single fathers around demanding child support from the women.

 

[sandorski]

I see the point that you are making, but lets say for instance that you are involved with a woman and you both make a choice to have a child. Later she decides to abort that child and you think you shouldn't have even a small say so about it? None.

Reverse that and say she becomes pregnant and you as the father want no part of it even though you will be required to support this child until it is 18 years old. You still get no say so in what she decides to do even though it will also effect you the rest of your life.

Seems a little biased in my opinion.

You can Say anything you want, you just can't make the Decision.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Pure idiocy, if the woman decides to abort it's her choice and no one else. If it was possible to transfer the embryo to the male and they could carry until birth then and only then should they have any say in the matter

I do believe the abortion should take place in the first trimester.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Why does the man not have that right?

I thought we wanted gender equality?

Come back when you can carry a fetus, and give birth.

 

[interchange]

Come back when you can carry a fetus, and give birth.

If someone does not or cannot have the experience of another, it disqualifies them from the conversation?

 

[Ns1]

If someone does not or cannot have the experience of another, it disqualifies them from the conversation?

In this case yes, yes it does (unless you want to try pushing a watermelon out of your asshole)

 

[interchange]

In this case yes, yes it does (unless you want to try pushing a watermelon out of your asshole)

Why?

 

[Ns1]

Why?

Cuz uh, the person bearing the pain should be the one deciding if they want to bear it?

 

[ch33zw1z]

If someone does not or cannot have the experience of another, it disqualifies them from the conversation?

He started down the gender equality path, so I tossed that out there.

My bottom line is this, don't fuck anything you can....find someone you care about and much of this becomes moot.

Before you start having unprotected sex, make sure a conversation takes place regarding the consequences. Of course, dude's tend to lie, and you have a ton of single mothers due to that. Once in a while, there's a guy who gets burned...that's not the norm.

 

[OutHouse]

I'm with ya there BoomerD. The problem is that certain types in this country want to create laws that allow men to procreate all they want, and then the right to tell the women what they're going to do about it.

Who are they?

 

[interchange]

Cuz uh, the person bearing the pain should be the one deciding if they want to bear it?

Surely there is something more to pregnancy and childbirth than physical pain that should be considered here.

One cannot through policy honor fully the rights, feelings, values and potential rights, feelings, and values simultaneously of all the mother, father, and fetus. There are compromises which I think are less objectionable, but all positions are a compromise, and I find it flat wrong to deny any single party a seat at the table.

 

[interchange]

He started down the gender equality path, so I tossed that out there.

My bottom line is this, don't fuck anything you can....find someone you care about and much of this becomes moot.

Before you start having unprotected sex, make sure a conversation takes place regarding the consequences. Of course, dude's tend to lie, and you have a ton of single mothers due to that. Once in a while, there's a guy who gets burned...that's not the norm.

That's useful advice.

But a stance on abortion that refers directly to not getting pregnant if you don't want a child is useless to a discussion on abortion.

 

[Ns1]

Surely there is something more to pregnancy and childbirth than physical pain that should be considered here.

Sure, the expectation that the mother is going to care for the kid afterwards.

Tally all that up and it seems logical that the woman should have that choice.

 

[ch33zw1z]

That's useful advice.

But a stance on abortion that refers directly to not getting pregnant if you don't want a child is useless to a discussion on abortion.

My stance is easy to deduce from the post you quoted. It's a woman's right to choose what to do with her body. We can sit and spin scenario's all day, but that's what it comes down to.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Who are they?

The internet is at your fingertips:

most recent: http://www.commondreams.org/news/20...an-pushing-anti-choice-bill-calls-women-hosts

plenty of hits out there, enjoy.

here's a good one, it's from huffpo tho lol: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...612ce63e4b0dd85030ce49b?utm_source=scoopinion

 

[Zorba]

Surely there is something more to pregnancy and childbirth than physical pain that should be considered here.

One cannot through policy honor fully the rights, feelings, values and potential rights, feelings, and values simultaneously of all the mother, father, and fetus. There are compromises which I think are less objectionable, but all positions are a compromise, and I find it flat wrong to deny any single party a seat at the table.

The women, per the USSC, has the right to make decisions about her body, until the fetus becomes viable. As soon as you are carrying a fetus, you can make the decisions about your body.

It is solely the right of a person to make their own decisions about their body, the rights of the fetus, or the fetus's DNA donor has no bearing on the rights of the women before fetus viability.

 

[interchange]

Let me be clear @ch33zw1z and @Ns1. My political position is pro-choice. But that is merely the compromise that seems to fit reality best (much for the same reasons you have argued). But I think supporting that position by invalidating others on their face is wrong, and I suspect you do it to protect yourself from dealing with the reality that any stance on abortion hurts someone.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Let me be clear @ch33zw1z and @Ns1. My political position is pro-choice. But that is merely the compromise that seems to fit reality best (much for the same reasons you have argued). But I think supporting that position by invalidating others on their face is wrong, and I suspect you do it to protect yourself from dealing with the reality that any stance on abortion hurts someone.

Who do you think is "hurt" by the pro-choice position?

 

[interchange]

Who do you think is "hurt" by the pro-choice position?

I have 2 kids. If my wife chose to abort them, would you begrudge me if I were very upset about it? Would you tell someone grieving from a miscarriage to get over it because no one was hurt?

 

[BoomerD]

Why does the man not have that right?

I thought we wanted gender equality?

When men can get pregnant and go through all the hormonal changes that women do...as well as give birth, then they will might get that right.

 

[nakedfrog]

When men can get pregnant and go through all the hormonal changes that women do...as well as give birth, then they will might get that right.

Let's not forget the accompanying physical health risks of pregnancy and giving birth.

 

[Ns1]

have 2 kids. If my wife chose to abort them, would you begrudge me if I were very upset about it?

Boo hoo your goddamn feelings were hurt. The woman has to deal with that shit AND the physical component.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

I have 2 kids. If my wife chose to abort them, would you begrudge me if I were very upset about it? Would you tell someone grieving from a miscarriage to get over it because no one was hurt?

I think you're equivocating what "hurt" means. You are not physically injured nor have your rights been violated.