Woman raped by stranger and then arrested by cops.

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: irishScott
So even if I do more of "God's Work" then 90% of the Christians on the planet, I still get sent to hell simply for not believing in the Christian god? Murderers and rapists who redeem themselves get to go to heaven, and I get sent to hell for, say, (hypothetically speaking, obviously) wiping out disease, and thereby enabling more Christians to approach god perhaps? There is still hipocracy all over the place. By the laws of belief, rapists become angels in heaven if they repent, and heroes become devils in hell for not believing in the first place.

Compressed again. Anyways, its in the Bible. John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Contrast that to Isaiah 64:6

But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Our works are natural reactions from an acceptance of faith in God. They are what helps to separate the carnal Christian from the true Christian. But there is no buying your way into Heaven as you describe. If you dont believe that Jesus Christ dies for your sins so that you may have a chance to live, then you cant go to Heaven, nor do you deserve to. Its fairly simple in its layout.

Quick question: what happens, for example, to an indigenous person who lives in the jungle cut off from the rest of civilization who has never heard of jesus. Do they still go to hell when they die? That would seem to be quite unfair.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Qacer
This is just a strict argument regarding karma. If we take it as an equal magnitude of "badness" for a bad thing that one caused previously, then the emotional distress that the burglary and car jacking victims experienced could be of equal magnitude to what she experience when she was victimized.

You are completely FOS. The cases were over 4 years old, and certainly don't involve the physical trauma that rape does. There's a reason why society has set the punishment for rape much higher up the scale than the punishment for burglary or car theft.

Another rare moment I agree with Mill.

Even the fact that she broke into a garage and stole a car as a juvenile should not even be known by any of us but has no relevance to her being raped.

 

[Minjin]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Qacer
This is just a strict argument regarding karma. If we take it as an equal magnitude of "badness" for a bad thing that one caused previously, then the emotional distress that the burglary and car jacking victims experienced could be of equal magnitude to what she experience when she was victimized.

You are completely FOS. The cases were over 4 years old, and certainly don't involve the physical trauma that rape does. There's a reason why society has set the punishment for rape much higher up the scale than the punishment for burglary or car theft.

I personally think karma is one of the stupidest ideas I've ever heard and ranks right up there with dancing around a campfire to create rain but if YOU believe in it, whats wrong with a little karma "interest"...i.e. the longer you avoid payback, the worse it will be?

 

[ShellGuy]

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Hillsborough Jail Administrators Explain Rape Victim Pill Mix-Up

Human error blamed, not religious convictions
By 970WFLA.com
Thursday, February 1, 2007
TAMPA, Fla., (970 WFLA) - Administrators with the Hillsborough County Jail say a deputy helping the intake staff at the jail on Saturday accidently placed emergency birth control pills belonging to a rape victim in the jail's property room.

Col. David Parrish denies a jail nurse denied the pills to the woman because of religious convictions.

A woman, who reported being raped after the Gasparilla Parade, ended up booked in the county jail on an outstanding warrant from a juvenile arrest. She was given a morning after pill by a Tampa Police officer, plus the rest of her dosage. An intake deputy at the jail processed the pills.

But Parrish says another deputy, who was unaware of the circumstances, thought he was helping out by taking the woman's personal items, including the pills, to the property room.

"Later, the medication nurse comes around, as we do each shift, to dispense medications. The inmate requested 'where are my medications?' The medication nurse looks down and says 'I have nothing for you. I have nothing on the record'," said Parrish.

Parrish says the nurse never denied the woman her pills for any reason, especially religious, and even straightened out the mix-up by retrieving the pills from the property room and eventually giving them to the woman.

Parrish would not elaborate on anything else that transpired, since the woman's attorney has put the jail on notice that there may be a lawsuit.

Tampa Police have revised their arrest policy so shift commanders have more descretion in deciding whether crime victims should be arrested if they are also wanted by law enforcement.
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[thecoolnessrune]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: irishScott
So even if I do more of "God's Work" then 90% of the Christians on the planet, I still get sent to hell simply for not believing in the Christian god? Murderers and rapists who redeem themselves get to go to heaven, and I get sent to hell for, say, (hypothetically speaking, obviously) wiping out disease, and thereby enabling more Christians to approach god perhaps? There is still hipocracy all over the place. By the laws of belief, rapists become angels in heaven if they repent, and heroes become devils in hell for not believing in the first place.

Compressed again. Anyways, its in the Bible. John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Contrast that to Isaiah 64:6

But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Our works are natural reactions from an acceptance of faith in God. They are what helps to separate the carnal Christian from the true Christian. But there is no buying your way into Heaven as you describe. If you dont believe that Jesus Christ dies for your sins so that you may have a chance to live, then you cant go to Heaven, nor do you deserve to. Its fairly simple in its layout.

Quick question: what happens, for example, to an indigenous person who lives in the jungle cut off from the rest of civilization who has never heard of Jesus. Do they still go to hell when they die? That would seem to be quite unfair.

I believe I covered this in an earlier post. While the age of responsibility still takes part, indigenous people will go to hell if they do not find the answer. It is their job to look around them and see that there is more to life and that something had to create them.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: irishScott
So even if I do more of "God's Work" then 90% of the Christians on the planet, I still get sent to hell simply for not believing in the Christian god? Murderers and rapists who redeem themselves get to go to heaven, and I get sent to hell for, say, (hypothetically speaking, obviously) wiping out disease, and thereby enabling more Christians to approach god perhaps? There is still hipocracy all over the place. By the laws of belief, rapists become angels in heaven if they repent, and heroes become devils in hell for not believing in the first place.

Compressed again. Anyways, its in the Bible. John 3:16

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Contrast that to Isaiah 64:6

But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Our works are natural reactions from an acceptance of faith in God. They are what helps to separate the carnal Christian from the true Christian. But there is no buying your way into Heaven as you describe. If you dont believe that Jesus Christ dies for your sins so that you may have a chance to live, then you cant go to Heaven, nor do you deserve to. Its fairly simple in its layout.

Quick question: what happens, for example, to an indigenous person who lives in the jungle cut off from the rest of civilization who has never heard of Jesus. Do they still go to hell when they die? That would seem to be quite unfair.

I believe I covered this in an earlier post. While the age of responsibility still takes part, indigenous people will go to hell if they do not find the answer. It is their job to look around them and see that there is more to life and that something had to create them.

Blah blah blah.. when you die and nothing happens you won't even have the consciousness to realize how stupid what you were spouting was. That is the sad part : (.

 

[thecoolnessrune]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Blah blah blah.. when you die and nothing happens you won't even have the consciousness to realize how stupid what you were spouting was. That is the sad part : (.

Doesn't particularly bother me. The sad part is that you'll suffer an eternity of punishment for your blindess. Follow what you will. If you wont listen I simply find someone who will.

Matthew 11:15
He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

 

[travisj]

I know why people like me are going to hell (having the opportunity to believe in god and not doing it), but why are people who have never heard of God going to hell? And, lets say that someone " look around them and see that there is more to life and that something had to create them" but don't get the details quite right. They believe in God, but not exactly as you conceive him. Does that person go hell? They have all the faith you do but have no bible to tell them the details?

And if they go to hell, do you think you would have come up with the necessary details if no one taught them to you?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: travisj
I know why people like me are going to hell (having the opportunity to believe in god and not doing it), but why are people who have never heard of God going to hell? And, lets say that someone " look around them and see that there is more to life and that something had to create them" but don't get the details quite right. They believe in God, but not exactly as you conceive him. Does that person go hell? They have all the faith you do but have no bible to tell them the details?

And if they go to hell, do you think you would have come up with the necessary details if no one taught them to you?

thats my problem.


a person who lived in sin who has commited rape, murder etc can go to heaven when on his death bed finds God.

yet a child who is 2 dies without baptism etc goes to hell. just not right.

 

[travisj]

The religious people I know well enough to talk about this kind of thing all say that the only people who go to hell are the ones who had the choice to believe in God and didn't. Apparently thecoolnessrune (and the official doctrines? That is what I'd like an answer on) disagree with the couple people I've talked to.

 

[travisj]

Originally posted by: waggy

a person who lived in sin who has commited rape, murder etc can go to heaven when on his death bed finds God.

I doubt that's true in most religions. According to thecoolnessrune, it's not true in his. "But there is no buying your way into Heaven as you describe. If you dont believe that Jesus Christ dies for your sins so that you may have a chance to live, then you cant go to Heaven, nor do you deserve to."

My question is about the other end: someone who has never heard of organized religion x. Are they not allowing into Heaven? Are they expected to invent the religion exactly as it has been in other parts of the world? Or will a less specific faith in a single-higher-power-as-creator be enough to get into heaven?

 

[edmundoab]

Dang.. tats some kinda luck :-(

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: thecoolnessrune

Originally posted by: shadow9d9
Blah blah blah.. when you die and nothing happens you won't even have the consciousness to realize how stupid what you were spouting was. That is the sad part : (.

Doesn't particularly bother me. The sad part is that you'll suffer an eternity of punishment for your blindess. Follow what you will. If you wont listen I simply find someone who will.

Matthew 11:15
He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Oh, no! Fear mongering to get you to worship a god.. exactly what I'd want in a god!