Woman Goes to Jail for Not Mowing Lawn

[NoStateofMind]

I am sorry there are laws that we have to live buy. Maybe you folks can all go start your own city somewhere. You can let the grass grow as high as you want, leave your trash all over your yards and god knows what else. You can build your houses any way you want to cause Damnit, nobody is going to tell you what to do cause the is America!!!

You forgot to add this

 

[Fern]

Says a proponent of 'small government'.

Yeah, he would be. Proponents of small govt seem to prefer local govt to the large federal govt. City ordinances are clearly 'small govt".

Fern

 

[Fern]

What set of jobsworth busy-body pricks would actually push this to the point that someone gets jailed for it?

Complete waste of everyone's time.

The kind that are trying to sell their house(s).

Fern

 

[yllus]

I am sorry there are laws that we have to live buy. Maybe you folks can all go start your own city somewhere. You can let the grass grow as high as you want, leave your trash all over your yards and god knows what else. You can build your houses any way you want to cause Damnit, nobody is going to tell you what to do cause the is America!!!

I don't think they're going to get it, dude. You might as well just bail on this thread. There's no understanding going to come of this.

 

[NoStateofMind]

I don't think they're going to get it, dude. You might as well just bail on this thread. There's no understanding going to come of this.

Just as much as you guys won't get it either. You morons seem to think you can legislate away extortion. Silliness.

 

[Fern]

If one untidy neighbour is all it takes to drag down the value of all the properties around him, it just shows that the entire market is over inflated and built on smoke and bullshit.

What makes you think you're entitled to these higher values?

Well, the housing market is bad, sometimes very bad, in many locations.

It's not just a matter of value, but of how long it now takes to sell a house.

So, yes, one untidy neighbor could be a problem when trying to sell.

My next door neighbors were trying to sell their house a couple of years ago. My other next door neighbor who is mostly out-of-town (independent long haul trucker) had started construction on the front of his house but it drug out a long time. The neighbors trying to sell offered to pay for a contractor to come in and finish up his project.

If people are willing to pay money, they sincerely believe it to be a problem whether you or others think so or not.

Fern

 

[Fern]

Yet its not your business whether I mow my lawn or not. Your version of a "responsible house owner" does not give you permission to extort your neighbors.

If it's a city ordinance then many people in the community agree on it.

I don't like such ordinances so I live in the county instead of the city.

EDIT: and what makes it okay for the State to do, but not you or me? Whats the difference?

EDIT2: I don't expect you to answer the above question as that is a tough one to confront. Well it was for me anyways.

It's the city. If you don't like the city ordinances the people living there have enacted don't live in their midst.

Fern

 

[OutHouse]

So if your neighbor is an infectious-disease nurse at NIH who regularly cares for Ebola patients, your property values will probably decline because of the rampant epidemic of FearBola. So does that give the community the right to force your neighbor to move somewhere else?

yea because being a nurse is the same as not mowing and maintaining your yard to not be a blight.

Are you 10? seriously what kind of fucked up comparison is this?

 

[Matt1970]

You didn't answer my question.

When people make horrifically stupid comparisons like that, why should I?

 

[Matt1970]

Just as much as you guys won't get it either. You morons seem to think you can legislate away extortion. Silliness.

Are you still pissed off because your mommy took away your Nintendo for not mowing the lawn?

 

[yllus]

Just as much as you guys won't get it either. You morons seem to think you can legislate away extortion. Silliness.

I don't "think" anything; these ordinances are already in place and have been for decades with widespread support. If you can't meet the community's minimum standard, the community will use whatever legislation it has in place to make that occur. Welcome to living in society!

 

[NoStateofMind]

I don't "think" anything; these ordinances are already in place and have been for decades with widespread support. If you can't meet the community's minimum standard, the community will use whatever legislation it has in place to make that occur. Welcome to living in society!

Oh so the time that its been in place gives it what? More credence in removing the extortion stigma? I guess chattel slavery should have remained, I mean it was around for hundreds of years and wide support, so according to you that's enough to disregard the Rights of the individual. Foolishness at its best right here folks!

 

[NoStateofMind]

If it's a city ordinance then many people in the community agree on it.

I don't like such ordinances so I live in the county instead of the city.



It's the city. If you don't like the city ordinances the people living there have enacted don't live in their midst.

Fern

The "city" has no Rights. It's legal fiction and nothing more. Again as I have said throughout this thread you cannot legislate away extortion. No not even you.

 

[Matt1970]

I don't "think" anything; these ordinances are already in place and have been for decades with widespread support. If you can't meet the community's minimum standard, the community will use whatever legislation it has in place to make that occur. Welcome to living in society!

Yep. We basically agree to the codes and ordinances when we decide to move here. Welcome to living in society, a civilized society.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Are you still pissed off because your mommy took away your Nintendo for not mowing the lawn?

Ad-hominems! How cute. Seems as though two of you have bowed out of this thread. One digitally and you mentally haha!

 

[Matt1970]

The "city" has no Rights. It's legal fiction and nothing more. Again as I have said throughout this thread you cannot legislate away extortion. No not even you.

Failure to obey laws has consequences. Call it extortion all you want, but without the consequences, why even have the laws?

 

[Fern]

The "city" has no Rights. It's legal fiction and nothing more. Again as I have said throughout this thread you cannot legislate away extortion. No not even you.

Are you an anarchist or extreme libertarian?

Here's what I get as a definition for "extortion":

the practice of obtaining something, especially money, through force or threats

I'd say that's the #1 tool of government. What happens if you don't pay your taxes, income or otherwise? Yep, the govt reverts to "extortion".

Don't follow EPA, or any other govt regulations? Yep, they "extort" money from you in an effort to force you to comply.

Govt's have been operating like this since they were first invented.

IMO, the question isn't whether govt should be able to "extort" (it doesn't really have any other option), but whether it applies it appropriately and under the proper circumstances.

Fern

 

[Wreckem]

Most local ordinances are quazi-criminal.

She was given a citation to fix and pay. She didn't, so she went to jail. She didn't go to jail for failure to mow, she went to jail for not complying.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Are you an anarchist or extreme libertarian?

Here's what I get as a definition for "extortion":



I'd say that's the #1 tool of government. What happens if you don't pay your taxes, income or otherwise? Yep, the govt reverts to "extortion".

Don't follow EPA, or any other govt regulations? Yep, they "extort" money from you in an effort to force you to comply.

Govt's have been operating like this since they were first invented.

IMO, the question isn't whether govt should be able to "extort" (it doesn't really have any other option), but whether it applies it appropriately and under the proper circumstances.

Fern

I prefer the term Voluyntaryist.

Statement of Purpose: Voluntaryists are advocates of non-political, non-violent strategies to achieve a free society. We reject electoral politics, in theory and in practice, as incompatible with libertarian principles. Governments must cloak their actions in an aura of moral legitimacy in order to sustain their power, and political methods invariably strengthen that legitimacy. Voluntaryists seek instead to delegitimize the State through education, and we advocate withdrawal of the cooperation and tacit consent on which State power ultimately depends.

Count me as floored that there is another person with enough intellect and self respect to admit the above on this forum. You get kudos for that and a huge amount of respect from me.

For whatever reason you are willing to overlook these acts of aggression. Personally I cannot resolve the conflict that that creates within myself. I would not rob, steal or extort my neighbor and therefore cannot endorse another doing the same. The State deserves no exemption and neither does any common man.

 

[Matt1970]

Ad-hominems! How cute. Seems as though two of you have bowed out of this thread. One digitally and you mentally haha!

Aww baby, nobody's bowing out of anything. Look, you have the right to buy anything you want and totally destroy it if you wish. We on the other hand, have a right to make sure we don't go down with you.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Failure to obey laws has consequences. Call it extortion all you want, but without the consequences, why even have the laws?

Slavery was legal. Didn't make it any more right.

just as

Extortion by the State is legal. Doesn't make it any more right.

Legality is not the arbiter of right and wrong.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Aww baby, nobody's bowing out of anything. Look, you have the right to buy anything you want and totally destroy it if you wish. We on the other hand, have a right to make sure we don't go down with you.

Actually you are bowing out mentally. Which is usually the case with those dependent on the State to define right and wrong.

 

[Matt1970]

Slavery was legal. Didn't make it any more right.

just as

Extortion by the State is legal. Doesn't make it any more right.

Legality is not the arbiter of right and wrong.

Only difference was the majority of the people decides it should be illegal and so we banned slavery. The vast majority of the people, for a multitude of reasons have decided the codes and ordinances are what is best for their municipality, and they will always vary with each municipality. I for one agree with the majority of them, from the length of your lawn to the paint on your house to not being able to keep rusted out hunks of metal in your driveways that used to drive down the road. If you feel they are overbearing you are more than free to find a place that doesn't enforce them. Sorry, but that's just the way that it is.

 

[Matt1970]

Actually you are bowing out mentally. Which is usually the case with those dependent on the State to define right and wrong.

Your insults change nothing. This isn't the state deciding what's right and wrong, this is the will of the people. Suck it up. Hell, a lot of the time the ordinances are voted on directly by the people.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

What an utter load of shite.

If the value of a property is so dependent on something as fleeting as the condition of a neighbour's lawn, it means the entire market is based on a house of cards.

That's not to speak of why you think you're entitled to demand things of others just so your house might be worth a bit more.

Not true I can think of 3 houses we didn't even enter to look at based upon the neighbors yard/what was in the yard. There were probably around a dozen more that we weeded out by using google street view. Yes it was 2011 and there were plenty of properties to look at but you cannot fix or upgrade your neighbor.
Maybe a fine would have been more appropriate. I'm assuming it was in disastrous condition. Also keep in mind extremely unkempt grass attracts ticks which is a nuisance for everyone.