Woman drives Prius into stone wall and blames Toyota...

Narmer

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...but the cops claim that was not the case. Off-topic, I never realized that cars now come with data recorder. As the owner of the vehicle, can I get its readings?

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/03/22/ny.prius.crash.probe/index.html?hpt=T2

CNN) -- A Toyota Prius was not the cause of a March 9 crash in Harrison, New York, said authorities citing "black and white" results in their investigation.

Harrison, New York, Police Capt. Anthony Marraccini revealed at a news conference Monday that evidence extracted from the wrecked 2005 Prius' data recorder showed no indication of brake compression as the car headed toward a stone wall. Rather, the accelerator was pressed 100 percent, authorities said.

Marraccini said the data, which he described as "black and white," was collected in a cooperative effort between Harrison police, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) and Toyota.

"Toyota has been very cooperative," said Marraccini. "There's no possibility of any distortion of this data," he continued. "These are the facts that surround this."

A housekeeper was driving the car at the time of the accident. She told police the vehicle accelerated on its own as she eased forward down her employer's driveway, causing her to crash into a stone wall on the other side of the road.

The incident, which did not involve other vehicles nor injuries to anyone, drew attention because the 2005 Prius was part of Toyota's November recall to address the risk of pedal entrapment in the floor mat. But police said early on that floor mats were not a factor in this accident. A recall to address a sticky accelerator problem did not include the Prius.

Monday's announcement corroborates a NHTSA statement from early in the investigation, explaining that "information retrieved from the vehicle's onboard computer systems indicated there was no application of the brakes and the throttle was fully open."

The statement suggested at the time that the driver may have been stepping on the accelerator, instead of the brake as she told police.

"We do see these accidents on occasion," Marraccini said Monday.

"I think with all this hype about Toyota, people are just looking to point fingers," he said.

Marraccini said that he spoke with the housekeeper about the findings of the investigation, but she remains "very passionate about her statement."

"When a driver believes they are on the brake pedal, they believe it. But there is no indication of that," Marraccini said.

Toyota spokesman Wade Hoyt called the investigation "thorough" and "conscientious," and praised authorities for their "really outstanding piece of detective work."

CNN's Dana Garrett contributed to this report.
 

SandEagle

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well, there were some shareholders of Toyota stock suing the company because *gasp* the stock price went down
 

ultimatebob

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Doesn't CNN realize that they're just feeding the Toyota media frenzy by reporting stories like these? As long as they're getting bad press, people looking to make a quick buck are going to try blaming their accidents on stuck accelerators.

It's really annoying, too, since almost every stuck accelerator problem can be fixed by putting the car in neutral or simply turning the car off. I was able to figure it out on my car when it happened to me a few years ago, and that was long before this problem with "drive by wire" accelerators was becoming common.
 

silverpig

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well, there were some shareholders of Toyota stock suing the company because *gasp* the stock price went down

And so they get a judgement of $10 per share towards each shareholder, payable by the company. Guess what THAT will do to the stock price...
 

Hacp

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And so they get a judgement of $10 per share towards each shareholder, payable by the company. Guess what THAT will do to the stock price...

Probably 10 dollars in coupons while the laywers get cash.
 

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.Harrison, New York, Police Capt. Anthony Marraccini revealed at a news conference Monday that evidence extracted from the wrecked 2005 Prius' data recorder showed no indication of brake compression as the car headed toward a stone wall. Rather, the accelerator was pressed 100 percent, authorities said.

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A housekeeper ... told police the vehicle accelerated on its own as she eased forward down her employer's driveway, causing her to crash into a stone wall on the other side of the road.

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Marraccini said that he spoke with the housekeeper about the findings of the investigation, but she remains "very passionate about her statement."

Eff the stupid, lying, incompetent housekeeper. I hope she gets recalled and forcibly refitted with a better brain and, just maybe, some ethics.
 

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This is amazing. She has both failed and succeeded at being a woman. Failed because she doesn't know how to lie, and succeeded because she managed to crash a car in some ridiculous manner. She must be fat. There is no other explanation. Everyone knows this.
 
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This is amazing. She has both failed and succeeded at being a woman. Failed because she doesn't know how to lie, and succeeded because she managed to crash a car in some ridiculous manner. She must be fat. There is no other explanation. Everyone knows this.
You still mad about your catching your chubby girlfriend screwing around? It's ok, you'll get over it with time.
 

theflyingpig

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You still mad about your catching your chubby girlfriend screwing around? It's ok, you'll get over it with time.

Oh? What is this? What is this? Is this another feeble attempt by the GodlessAstronomer to insult me? Your puny brain is incapable of such a feat. Everyone knows this.
 

yowolabi

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Eff the stupid, lying, incompetent housekeeper. I hope she gets recalled and forcibly refitted with a better brain and, just maybe, some ethics.

Most people who get in these accidents believe they're stepping on the brake when their foot is too far over and on the accelerator. There's no reason to believe she's deliberately lying or unethical.
 

JEDIYoda

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Most people who get in these accidents believe they're stepping on the brake when their foot is too far over and on the accelerator. There's no reason to believe she's deliberately lying or unethical.

says you......
 

zerocool84

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Most people who get in these accidents believe they're stepping on the brake when their foot is too far over and on the accelerator. There's no reason to believe she's deliberately lying or unethical.

and if you can't tell that you're NOT slowing down then you shouldn't be driving
 

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First, I think she's probably just lying. However, the investigation shows that "the accelerator was pressed 100%" and there was no indication of brake compression. If the vehicle is truly fly-by-wire, the pushing on the brake is just a request to the computer, as is pressing the gas pedal. The recorder is just showing what the computer did, not necessarily what the driver did.

I'm not saying it's likely in this case, but for all they know, the driver could have been standing on the brake, but some software glitch made the computer interpret it as the accelerator being pressed. That's something that bothers me about the fly-by-wire stuff and the data recorder being used as evidence, there's an assumption that the computer is correctly doing what the driver requested, and we all know that's not always the case.
 

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Stories like this and Sikes, both fiction, must be cause for cheer in Toyota conference rooms the world over. It brings into question how many runaway cars REALLY have had that problem.
First, I think she's probably just lying. However, the investigation shows that "the accelerator was pressed 100%" and there was no indication of brake compression. If the vehicle is truly fly-by-wire, the pushing on the brake is just a request to the computer, as is pressing the gas pedal. The recorder is just showing what the computer did, not necessarily what the driver did.

I'm not saying it's likely in this case, but for all they know, the driver could have been standing on the brake, but some software glitch made the computer interpret it as the accelerator being pressed. That's something that bothers me about the fly-by-wire stuff and the data recorder being used as evidence, there's an assumption that the computer is correctly doing what the driver requested, and we all know that's not always the case.
Maybe, but presumably if she hit the wall quite hard they can know that it had to have been from acceleration, so for her story to have been right it would require the computer to have two unlikely things going on: 1) No recording of pressing brake pedal, 2) locked-open throttle.

So really either both of those happened at the same time or neither did. Since every year for every brand (?) there are reports of unintended acceleration I find it safe to say she hit the brakes by flooring the car.

I liked flyingpig's assessment about her double fail.
 

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well, there were some shareholders of Toyota stock suing the company because *gasp* the stock price went down
I read that there was a law firm seeking Class Action status, but the article I read did not meant plaintiff in the original suit. Almost seemed like ambulance chasers looking for easy money.

But considering cases like this one involve a case on the federal level, this person making false claims should be held on the federal level for false-reporting.

Maybe Toyota can file a suit against her. :awe:
 

robphelan

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Doesn't CNN realize that they're just feeding the Toyota media frenzy by reporting stories like these? As long as they're getting bad press, people looking to make a quick buck are going to try blaming their accidents on stuck accelerators.

It's really annoying, too, since almost every stuck accelerator problem can be fixed by putting the car in neutral or simply turning the car off. I was able to figure it out on my car when it happened to me a few years ago, and that was long before this problem with "drive by wire" accelerators was becoming common.

i'm a little leary of the "turn your car off" solution. if you turn your key too far, won't it lock your steering wheel?
 

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This is amazing. She has both failed and succeeded at being a woman. Failed because she doesn't know how to lie, and succeeded because she managed to crash a car in some ridiculous manner. She must be fat. There is no other explanation. Everyone knows this.

lol
 

zinfamous

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says you......

well, it's a valid argument. But it usually occurs with elderly drivers as they tend to confuse a bit faster.

Also, reaction time and response tends to get all jumbled up in such situations. Car suddenly goes nuts, you have 2 seconds to do something or crash, foot goes down, maybe slips, blah blah.

it's obvious this isn't the cars fault. It's not completely obvious that she didn't think she was responding properly.
 

zinfamous

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i'm a little leary of the "turn your car off" solution. if you turn your key too far, won't it lock your steering wheel?

Prius has a start button. No key to insert or turn.


Also, the problem seems to be that neutral doesn't respond and car can't be turned off in the legit cases. All those "demonstrating" how to stop your car aren't controlling for the actual situation, as their cars aren't failing in the way that seems to happening with these Priuses.