Woman dies after being arrested for refusing to leave ER

[RedString]

Exactly what I'm saying. It's not a very sensitive, therefore not an extremely useful test.

I'm pretty sure he already acknowledged that and his rebuttal is that 'it is better than doing nothing'.

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No you are evil because she was black and might have had a hoodie. That's all anyone needs to know, or so some say.

Man, Hayabusa, I thought an ass like Spidey was going to make my ignore list first; but he's at least entertaining. You, on the other hand, are just a douche in basically every single posting I've seen on these forums.

Ignoring an apparent Doctor by posting Google books links while obviously having no direct knowledge of what you're speaking about. Always having to throw in your two cent insults. Good luck with your future endeavors of being a Google-search Hero.

 

[TheVrolok]

Stupid me, thinking if she was treated adequately she wouldn't have died on the floor of a jail cell.

Bad outcomes can result from good medicine, and that is exactly what happened here. You, unfortunately, do not have a firm grasp on the reality of medicine (not US medicine, not privatized medicine, not multi-payer system medicine, just medicine). This woman was treated appropriately and she died. It's tragic, but no mistakes were made. Nothing in medicine is 100%, and this woman happened to be the 1-2%. People get sick, and even if the right things are done, they may still die. We in medicine know this, the public, however, has a twisted expectation that all outcomes must be perfect, 100% of the time. That's just not reality.

 

[mattpegher]

Stupid me, thinking if she was treated adequately she wouldn't have died on the floor of a jail cell. But I just have my dumb laymen definition of adequate, not the excellent US medical industry standard of adequate.

What you need to understand is that sometimes, dispite the best care, even exceeding standard of care and even the most diligent defensive medicine, negative outcomes may occur. The human body is very complex and multifactoral. Often patients will present with diseases or disorders yet no signs of them. And often the "million dollar work up" does not reveal the cause of someones symptoms. Usually this means that no life threating condition exists, but not always.
Every test has failure rates, or negative predictive value. Often we combine tests to maximize the negative predictive value, ie if all the tests are negative then the chance that disease x exists is very low (not impossible just very low probability).

In this case, we dont know what tests were done when the woman complained of abdominal pain. We don't know where the clot came from. Was it in the abdominal veins (almost impossible to find even on CT) When she c/o abdominal pain, was she hypoxic. The abdominal pain may have been due to the PE. I have had two cases of PE present with abdominal pain, one in the right lower quadrant suggestive of appendicitis.

I am sure this case will be up for review, and most probably evaluated by the state medical board. No one here has enough data to pass judgement let alone isolate a sociological cause.

 

[TheVrolok]

I am sure this case will be up for review, and most probably evaluated by the state medical board. No one here has enough data to pass judgement let alone isolate a sociological cause.

All we have so far is:

The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services' investigation found St. Mary's was in compliance with federal emergency care laws that require hospitals to treat patients regardless of their ability to pay.

However, I'm sure this case will be subject to far more scrutiny both internally and externally, as all cases like this one are.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I'm pretty sure he already acknowledged that and his rebuttal is that 'it is better than doing nothing'.

:|



Man, Hayabusa, I thought an ass like Spidey was going to make my ignore list first; but he's at least entertaining. You, on the other hand, are just a douche in basically every single posting I've seen on these forums.

Ignoring an apparent Doctor by posting Google books links while obviously having no direct knowledge of what you're speaking about. Always having to throw in your two cent insults. Good luck with your future endeavors of being a Google-search Hero.

Sorry you got butt hurt and didn't get the joke. I mean you not being able to comprehend and all.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Stupid me, thinking if she was treated adequately she wouldn't have died on the floor of a jail cell. But I just have my dumb laymen definition of adequate, not the excellent US medical industry standard of adequate.

Your standard requires perfect 20/20 hindsight. You won't find that in any system and even now you aren't even close. Just say you hate anyone that deals in medicine unless they're in another country and perhaps drive a Volt. You've had this explained time and again and you refuse to get it. That it seems that proper procedures that are standard throughout the world has no impact. This could have happened in any western nation but that makes no difference. Reality makes no difference. This thread fails.

 

[cybrsage]

An inmate in GA died in prison while a doctor (and many others) stood by and did nothing.

 

[shortylickens]

Last several times I've gone to the emergency room I was sorely disappointed. And for two of them I was charged a shitload of money when they didnt really DO anything.
Fuck heads.

Yeah, its a business, and if you cant pay or if you arent willing to be milked for all your'e worth, they dont wanna see you. I need to get a job so I can have real insurance again. Nothing else comes close to an employers coverage.