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Woman dies after being arrested for refusing to leave ER

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More tripe.
There are no cost constraints in the very real system we have now, that's why our health care costs are ballooning. Healthcare is extremely inelastic
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So providers can bill for anything at all for any amount get it? Where's my yacht?

Seriously, fade away.
 
I wonder what the backstory is. A lot of homeless people engage in rampant abuse of ERs, sometimes showing up on a daily basis. At a certain point people like that just need to be allowed to fall through the cracks.
 
Tom said:
political nonsense is sometimes the only way anything gets done.

everyone having health coverage would reduce the strain on hospitals that do treat people based on need, rather than greed.
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Because your second sentence isn't political nonsense at all.

There are no specifics of what went on in the ER or what care was administered. She had been to 3 different hospitals in as many days so who knows what went on. Sounds more like she may have refused treatment. It's all speculation from a report that gives only some details.
 
JohnnyGage said:
Because your second sentence isn't political nonsense at all.

There are no specifics of what went on in the ER or what care was administered. She had been to 3 different hospitals in as many days so who knows what went on. Sounds more like she may have refused treatment. It's all speculation from a report that gives only some details.
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She went to the ER to refuse treatment? You really want to go with that?
 
Gonad the Barbarian said:
My track record doesn't involve letting folks die because they can't afford healthcare. Does yours?
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No, that rests entirely on those who are obligated to provide access to coverage already in place.

I'm going to pull a Craig and say you lie.

Fact- medication reimbursement is entirely determined by the carrier, period. Look at MAC and medications. We take what we are given and pharmacies can't even negotiate because of anti trust regulations.
Fail #1

Fact- Physicians and others cannot get whatever they want. The carrier tells them how much they will get for a given service and if you think that means anything at all goes search "medicare billing fraud."

Fail #2

Last for now, the patient wasn't denied care nor can you back up your absurd lie about running every test imaginable because insurance will pay everything.

The truth is you are willfully ignorant or this is an attempt (and a dumb one at that) to promote something that does not exist and never has in any part of the world.

Stop embarrassing yourself.
 
Gonad the Barbarian said:
She went to the ER to refuse treatment? You really want to go with that?
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Yeah I do. See I've been in health care for over 20 years so I, like Hayabusa kind of have an idea of what goes on in an ER for the most part. She may have just shown up for the pain meds and didn't want anyone to touch her sore ankle. No one can see a DVT just by looking, all you would see is swelling and redness--kinda like a sprained ankle. Only to have the patient say they want pain meds and a meal. Not sure what went on here, but this is a very common occurence in the ER's accross the nation.
 
JohnnyGage said:
Yeah I do. See I've been in health care for over 20 years so I, like Hayabusa kind of have an idea of what goes on in an ER for the most part. She may have just shown up for the pain meds and didn't want anyone to touch her sore ankle. No one can see a DVT just by looking, all you would see is swelling and redness--kinda like a sprained ankle. Only to have the patient say they want pain meds and a meal. Not sure what went on here, but this is a very common occurence in the ER's accross the nation.
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Remember the fact that you see what happens automatically means you know nothing and apparently neither do those who use an ER since they get paid unlimited amounts for everything and the patient never noticed the billions paid by their insurer.

BTW, hows your Riviera villa and 300 foot yacht these days?

You know I would swear that false or misleading threads were no longer allowed. Guess I was mistaken.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
Remember the fact that you see what happens automatically means you know nothing and apparently neither do those who use an ER since they get paid unlimited amounts for everything and the patient never noticed the billions paid by their insurer.

BTW, hows your Riviera villa and 300 foot yacht these days?

You know I would swear that false or misleading threads were no longer allowed. Guess I was mistaken.
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This butthurt looks pretty severe. You might want to have someone take a look at it and make sure it's ordinary butthurt and not something more serious like a blood clot.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
Remember the fact that you see what happens automatically means you know nothing and apparently neither do those who use an ER since they get paid unlimited amounts for everything and the patient never noticed the billions paid by their insurer.

BTW, hows your Riviera villa and 300 foot yacht these days?

You know I would swear that false or misleading threads were no longer allowed. Guess I was mistaken.
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My yacht is parked right next to yours, it's the one with the 100 ft mast I'm renaming it 'Single Payer'. I had to sell the Villa, the car port was too small for my Bugatti Veyrhon. Plus the wife was complaining about the help, you know how that goes.

There is nothing in the story about what happened in the 3 ED's she visited. Nothing. Just that she had a sore ankle and was arrested at one. That's it.
 
classy said:
I am very surprised, most hospitals would have treated her. I believe by law they should have.
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This is true. But at the same time we can't force care or the treatment on anyone. Unless of course the patient can't make decesions for themselves. Like I said the only thing we know of what went on inside the 3 ER's she visited is she had a ankle injury and she was aressted at one.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
No, that rests entirely on those who are obligated to provide access to coverage already in place.

I'm going to pull a Craig and say you lie.

Fact- medication reimbursement is entirely determined by the carrier, period. Look at MAC and medications. We take what we are given and pharmacies can't even negotiate because of anti trust regulations.
Fail #1
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Congrats, all you've proven is that you're on the bottom of the healthcare food chain.

Fact- Physicians and others cannot get whatever they want. The carrier tells them how much they will get for a given service and if you think that means anything at all goes search "medicare billing fraud."

Fail #2
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That still doesn't mean prices are being constrained by any real mechanism. Or do you deny healthcare costs are ballooning out of control?

Last for now, the patient wasn't denied care
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Yes she was. She was denied care for her abdominal pain.

nor can you back up your absurd lie about running every test imaginable because insurance will pay everything.
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I didn't say every test imaginable, I said every test they could find an excuse for. Which is exactly what they do for patients that can pay, and what they don't do for patients that can't. Don't act like these hospitals aren't revenue driven.

The truth is you are willfully ignorant or this is an attempt (and a dumb one at that) to promote something that does not exist and never has in any part of the world.
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Just what do you think I'm promoting?

Stop embarrassing yourself.
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Your words, they wound me so deeply.
 
hmm hospital didn't know. why? they didn't test her fo rit. why? she didn't have insurance and didn't want to waste time on a homless person.
 
Mursilis said:
Sure it does. I see no evidence that you offered either to treat this woman or be personally responsible for paying her medical bills.
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Hey, if you want to make the point that we as a society are all responsible for the healthcare of the individuals in that society you won't get an argument from me. But somehow I think you weren't trying to make an argument in favor of the thing we call civilization and were just trying to be snarky.
 
JohnnyGage said:
Yeah I do. See I've been in health care for over 20 years so I, like Hayabusa kind of have an idea of what goes on in an ER for the most part. She may have just shown up for the pain meds and didn't want anyone to touch her sore ankle. No one can see a DVT just by looking, all you would see is swelling and redness--kinda like a sprained ankle. Only to have the patient say they want pain meds and a meal. Not sure what went on here, but this is a very common occurence in the ER's accross the nation.
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You might have a point here if this woman was faking. Dying from her ailment sort of blows that theory out of the water.
 
Gonad the Barbarian said:
You're not helping your point with that. Dialysis is an obvious medical necessity and far different from a diagnostic test that can be passed off as a judgement call.
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Semantics. If someone comes in and needs treatment they get it, usually. If they can't pay, a case manager gets involved and helps get the patient coverage. No one gets refused unless there are extenuating circumstanses. Again, this person went to 3 different ER's. Something is fishy and it's not on the hospital as much as that ruins your partisan thoughts on how things are run in health care. Trust me no MD or RN want's to see a 29 year old with small children die from something as preventable as a DVT. So carry on with those blinders...
 
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