Woman beaten on Jerusalem bus for refusing to sit at the back of bus

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http://haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=801449&contrassID=19

Rosa Parks version 2.0? History repeats itself, i guess. I'm really surprised that Israel has these antiquated customs.

A woman who reported a vicious attack by an ad-hoc "modesty patrol" on a Jerusalem bus last month is now lining up support for her case and may be included in a petition to the High Court of Justice over the legality of sex-segregated buses.

Miriam Shear says she was traveling to pray at the Western Wall in Jerusalem's Old City early on November 24 when a group of ultra-Orthodox (Haredi) men attacked her for refusing to move to the back of the Egged No. 2 bus. She is now in touch with several legal advocacy and women's organizations, and at the same time, waiting for the police to apprehend her attackers.

In her first interview since the incident, Shear says that on the bus three weeks ago, she was slapped, kicked, punched and pushed by a group of men who demanded that she sit in the back of the bus with the other women. The bus driver, in response to a media inquiry, denied that violence was used against her, but Shear's account has been substantiated by an unrelated eyewitness on the bus who confirmed that she sustained an unprovoked "severe beating."

Shear, an American-Israeli woman who currently lives in Canada, says that on a recent five-week vacation to Israel, she rode the bus daily to the Old City to pray at sunrise. Though not defined by Egged as a sex-segregated "mehadrin" bus, women usually sit in the back, while men sit in the front, as a matter of custom.

"Every two or three days, someone would tell me to sit in the back, sometimes politely and sometimes not," she recalled this week in a telephone interview. "I was always polite and said 'No. This is not a synagogue. I am not going to sit in the back.'"

But Shear, a 50-year-old religious woman, says that on the morning of the 24th, a man got onto the bus and demanded her seat - even though there were a number of other seats available in the front of the bus.

"I said, I'm not moving and he said, 'I'm not asking you, I'm telling you.' Then he spat in my face and at that point, I was in high adrenaline mode and called him a son-of-a-bitch, which I am not proud of. Then I spat back. At that point, he pushed me down and people on the bus were screaming that I was crazy. Four men surrounded me and slapped my face, punched me in the chest, pulled at my clothes, beat me, kicked me. My snood [hair covering] came off. I was fighting back and kicked one of the men in his privates. I will never forget the look on his face."

Shear says that when she bent down in the aisle to retrieve her hair covering, "one of the men kicked me in the face. Thank God he missed my eye. I got up and punched him. I said, 'I want my hair covering back' but he wouldn't give it to me, so I took his black hat and threw it in the aisle."

'Stupid American'

Throughout the encounter, Shear says the bus driver "did nothing." The other passengers, she says, blamed her for not moving to the back of the bus and called her a "stupid American with no sechel [common sense.] People blamed me for not knowing my place and not going to the back of the bus where I belong."

According to Yehoshua Meyer, the eyewitness to the incident, Shear's account is entirely accurate. "I saw everything," he said. "Someone got on the bus and demanded that she go to the back, but she didn't agree. She was badly beaten and her whole body sustained hits and kicks. She tried to fight back and no one would help her. I tried to help, but someone was stopping me from getting up. My phone's battery was dead, so I couldn't call the police. I yelled for the bus driver to stop. He stopped once, but he didn't do anything. When we finally got to the Kotel [Western Wall], she was beaten badly and I helped her go to the police."

Shear says that when she first started riding the No. 2 line, she did not even know that it was sometimes sex-segregated. She also says that sitting in the front is simply more comfortable. "I'm a 50-year-old woman and I don't like to sit in the back. I'm dressed appropriately and I was on a public bus."

"It is very dangerous for a group of people to take control over a public entity and enforce their will without going through due process," she said. "Even if they [Haredim who want a segregated bus] are a majority - and I don't think they are - they have options available. They can petition Egged or hire their own private line. But as long as it's a public bus, I don't care if there are 500 people telling me where to sit. I can sit wherever I want and so can anyone else."

Meyer says that throughout the incident, the other passengers blamed Shear for not sitting in the back. "They'll probably claim that she attacked them first, but that's totally untrue. She was abused terribly, and I've never seen anything like it."

Word of Shear's story traveled quickly after she forwarded an e-mail detailing her experience. She has been contacted by a number of groups, including Shatil, the New Israel Fund's Empowerment and Training Center for Social Change; Kolech, a religious women's forum; the Israel Religious Action Center (IRAC), the legal advocacy arm of the local Reform movement; and the Jewish Orthodox Feminist Alliance (JOFA).

In the coming month, IRAC will be submitting a petition to the High Court of Justice against the Transportation Ministry over the issue of segregated Egged buses. IRAC attorney Orly Erez-Likhovski is in touch with Shear and is considering including her in the petition.

Although the No. 2 Jerusalem bus where the incident occurred is not actually defined as a mehadrin line, Erez-Likhovski says that Shear's story is further proof that the issue requires legal clarification. About 30 Egged buses are designated as mehadrin, mostly on inter-city lines, but they are not marked to indicate this. "There's no way to identify a mehadrin bus, which in itself is a problem," she said.

"Theoretically, a person can sit wherever they want, even on a mehadrin line, but we're seeing that people are enforcing [the gender segregation] even on non-mehadrin lines and that's the part of the danger," she said.

On a mehadrin bus, women enter and exit through the rear door, and the seats from the rear door back are generally considered the "women's section." A child is usually sent forward to pay the driver.

The official responses

In a response from Egged, the bus driver denied that Shear was physically attacked in any way.

"In a thorough inquiry that we conducted, we found that the bus driver does not confirm that any violence was used against the complainant," Egged spokesman Ron Ratner wrote.

"According to the driver, once he saw that there was a crowd gathering around her, he stopped the bus and went to check what was going on. He clarified to the passengers that the bus was not a mehadrin line and that all passengers on the line are permitted to sit wherever they want on the bus. After making sure that the passengers returned to their seats, he continued driving."

The Egged response also noted that their drivers "are not able and are not authorized to supervise the behavior of the passengers in all situations."

Ministry of Transportation spokesperson Avner Ovadia said in response that the mehadrin lines are "the result of agreements reached between Egged and Haredi bodies" and are therefore unconnected to the ministry.

A spokesperson for the Jerusalem police said the case is still under investigation.
 

Rebasxer

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Different rules apply for israel, seeing as they're allowed to steal land from other countries and no one does anything about it.
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: Rebasxer
Different rules apply for israel, seeing as they're allowed to steal land from other countries and no one does anything about it.

While i agree with parts of that sentiment, i was hoping we wouldn't go there in this thread...
 

Aimster

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so where do Muslims sit? on top of the bus?

seriously I take it this was an isolated case? (I didnt really read the article, im lazy)
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: Aimster
so where do Muslims sit? on top of the bus?

seriously I take it this was an isolated case? (I didnt really read the article, im lazy)

It seems like it's custom, not isolated. The woman was an american-israeli who refused to sit in the back like most women do.
 

Aimster

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you need to remember Israel is in the M.E. More than half of the people of Israel come from Arab lands.

"I cannot tell an Israeli from a Palestinian. They all look the same to me"

If this is truely not an isolated case then it would probably have to do with the traditional cultural norms of the region spilling into that part of the M.E. Men are generally seen as superior in the M.E. Israel is part of the M.E, but we sometimes single it out.
 

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what the ******...although i know that the situation here is bad, i didn't know it was that bad. there is a problem where the ultra orthodox (a minority) get what they want. i must say that i hate religous people. what appals me is that the bus driver did nothing. i hope she sues those bastards to death.
 

ValkyrieofHouston

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Yea, these arn't men, these are thugs.. to kick a 50 year old woman in the face. To do that to some woman who is minding her own damned business. That is appalling. ForumMaster, do you think that the people who jumped in on this did so because she was American? Just curious...
 

amdhunter

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I think they were wrong to call her a stupid American...stupid Canadian is more like it. :lips:
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: Aimster
so where do Muslims sit? on top of the bus?

seriously I take it this was an isolated case? (I didnt really read the article, im lazy)

It seems like it's custom, not isolated. The woman was an american-israeli who refused to sit in the back like most women do.

http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=1832962006

These are isolated, but growing in number. More than 40% of Israel is secular. Only a small minority is Ultra Orthodox like this but the numbers have been increasing.

What happened to this lady is part of a very recent violent protest by ultra Orthodox Jews.

Hopefully the sane majority puts a quick stop to this. Israel has always been known for complete equality for women.
 

OutHouse

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Originally posted by: Rebasxer
Different rules apply for israel, seeing as they're allowed to steal land from other countries and no one does anything about it.

can you show me any land that is NOT stolen by somebody from somebody?
 

mrSHEiK124

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Think that's bad? Wait till you hear about the Haredis on Mea Shearim that go asskicking on Saturdays :laugh:
 

Aimster

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wait let me get this straight

19% of Israel is Arab-Muslim

and the % of Orthodox Jews are mainly against the state of Israel (zionism?). Ive seen a buncch of Orthodox Jews shaking hands with Iran's President and such so are they all part of this movement?

Im not really clear on Israeli politics so any corrections would be welcomed.
 

GasX

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IMHO if you are a foreigner, you do as the locals do. Bringing a self righteous American sense or personal rights into the middle eaast is just asking for a beating.
 

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Originally posted by: Mwilding
IMHO if you are a foreigner, you do as the locals do. Bringing a self righteous American sense or personal rights into the middle eaast is just asking for a beating.

yup yup
 

mercanucaribe

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Originally posted by: lobbyone
Originally posted by: Mwilding
IMHO if you are a foreigner, you do as the locals do. Bringing a self righteous American sense or personal rights into the middle eaast is just asking for a beating.

yup yup

Uhh... isn't Israeli promoted as being "the only middle eastern democracy" and progressive? To me that means that if I go there I expect to be treated as I would be in America NOT Saudi Arabia.

If they think Americans are stupid, fvck them, let them fend for themselves.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Originally posted by: lobbyone
Originally posted by: Mwilding
IMHO if you are a foreigner, you do as the locals do. Bringing a self righteous American sense or personal rights into the middle eaast is just asking for a beating.

yup yup

Uhh... isn't Israeli promoted as being "the only middle eastern democracy" and progressive? To me that means that if I go there I expect to be treated as I would be in America NOT Saudi Arabia.

If they think Americans are stupid, fvck them, let them fend for themselves.

Israel HAS been very progressive and a nation with nearly complete equality for women. Hell, the country is 40% secular. The problem is a recent very small, but growing faction of ultra orthodox Jews who are trying to impose their will on others. Think the Radical Religious Right here in the US and you have a good idea.