WMD annoucement in mid-Sept?
- Thread starter DukeFan21
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I hope for the credibility of the USA and the UK that it will be more then the alleged WMD trailers.
I'm curious
I'm curious
I think Bush she just call it quits, I could careless. No one is going to belive it either way. I ma not sure if I even do. If bush wasnt such a idiot he should have purposely planted weapons in the beginning but he has to be jolly old bush. He should have done that this was more of a war to rescue the poeple of iraq and NOT bio/chem weapons.
phillyTIM
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yeah this is ridiculous; there are obviously no hot goods in iraq, else they would have been all over the headlines and people would point back to that proof. they needed to have pulled something out of the hat months ago now.
this is the most ludicrous invasion in history; the president's people can't even get their stories straight. this theoretically should alone be enough to kick bush out of the whitehouse in '04, if not immediately. if bush survives election '04, and is re-elected, there is something SERIOUSLY wrong in America
this is the most ludicrous invasion in history; the president's people can't even get their stories straight. this theoretically should alone be enough to kick bush out of the whitehouse in '04, if not immediately. if bush survives election '04, and is re-elected, there is something SERIOUSLY wrong in America
I still believe it's possible that WMD are going to be found...last week they found MiG's buried in the desert that they had no clue about.
I think I've seen this movie before . . . the hero marries the woman of his dreams and three years later discovers his wife is . . . (dum dum dum) . . . no longer a virgin.
Why do we need a Sept WMD announcement . . . I thought we had moved on to the "liberation of Iraq" story? It's a heartwarming tale of how the benevolent world power (Sheriff W), its faithful sidekick (crooked tooth Tony), and hired tools (Mauritius, Poland, etc) rescued a hapless country from the clutches of an evil ruler. The Coalition of Freedom chased the bad guy away, fed the people, and restored order, justice, democracy, potable water, and electricity to the masses.
Why do we need a Sept WMD announcement . . . I thought we had moved on to the "liberation of Iraq" story? It's a heartwarming tale of how the benevolent world power (Sheriff W), its faithful sidekick (crooked tooth Tony), and hired tools (Mauritius, Poland, etc) rescued a hapless country from the clutches of an evil ruler. The Coalition of Freedom chased the bad guy away, fed the people, and restored order, justice, democracy, potable water, and electricity to the masses.
Proof of what? We don't need no stinkin' proof. We've got big arse guns and we aren't afraid to use 'em. All we need is a target and somewhat credible excuse for Tony Blair to endorse.
Why do you think it's going to take until mid-September? They are working out the bugs. None of this alpha or beta BS. This going to be a full release WMD version 4.7.3. Guaranteed not to crash and burn b/c we will give the report but say access to the intelligence is top secret.
You see the Brits won't reveal their intelligence source b/c they are using Miss Cleo. Her powers of deduction defy explanation plus she charges an extra 5.99 a minute if you tell a friend.
LOL Beta-intelligence. They obviously don't have a smoking gun or they'd be parading it on all the tv stations with Geraldo showing the blueprints. The French, Germans, Russians, and everyone else were right.
HeroOfPellinor
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- Dec 27, 2001
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Were you in a coma during that period in February where Powell showed a cute little slide show as proof?
HeroOfPellinor
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I fear that "The September Revelation" is going to be just one more huge embarassment for Bush. Nobody wants to hear about alleged programs to develop WMD's, they want to see the warehouses full of chem and bio weapons. I know I do. Anything less is going to bite them in the ass.........again.
whitehouse.org
PRESIDENT RELEASES NEWLY RECOVERED WARZONE DOCUMENTS OFFERING INCONTROVERTIBLE PROOF OF IRAQI ACQUISITION OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION
CNN
Newsweek
The evidence sometimes cited to support Saddam's nuclear program was shaky, however. On the morning after Bush's State of the Union address in January, Greg Thielmann, who had recently resigned from the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR) ? whose duties included tracking Iraq's WMD program ? read the text in the newspaper. Bush had cited British intelligence reports that Saddam was trying to purchase "significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
Thielmann was floored. "When I saw that, it really blew me away," Thielmann told NEWSWEEK. Thielmann knew about the source of the allegation. The CIA had come up with some documents purporting to show Saddam had attempted to buy up to 500 tons of uranium oxide from the African country of Niger. INR had concluded that the purchases were implausible ? and made that point clear to Powell's office. As Thielmann read that the president had relied on these documents to report to the nation, he thought, "Not that stupid piece of garbage. My thought was, how did that get into the speech?"
The strongest evidence that Saddam was building a nuke was the fact that he was secretly importing aluminum tubes that could be used to help make enriched uranium. At least it seemed that way. In early September, just before Bush was scheduled to speak to the United Nations about the Iraqi threat, the story was leaked to Judith Miller and Michael Gordon of The New York Times, which put it on page one. That same Sunday (Sept. 8), Cheney and national-security adviser Condoleezza Rice went on the talk shows to confirm the story.
At the CIA, Tenet seems to have latched on to the tubes as a kind of smoking gun. He brought one of the tubes to a closed Senate hearing that same month. But from the beginning, other intelligence experts in the government had their doubts. After canvassing experts at the nation's nuclear labs, the Department of Energy concluded that the tubes were the wrong specification to be used in a centrifuge, the equipment used to enrich uranium. The State Department's INR concluded that the tubes were meant to be used for a multiple-rocket-launching system. (And Saddam was not secretly buying them; the purchase order was posted on the Internet.) In two reports to Powell, INR concluded there was no reliable evidence that Iraq had restarted a nuclear program at all. "These were not weaselly worded," said Thielmann. "They were as definitive as these things go." These dissents were duly recorded in a classified intelligence estimate. But they were largely dropped from the declassified version made available to the public. U.N. inspectors say they have found solid proof that Iraq bought the tubes to build small rockets, not nukes.
For four days and nights, Powell and Tenet, top aides and top analysts and, from time to time, Rice, pored over the evidence ? and discarded much of it. Out went suggestions linking Saddam to 9-11. The bogus Niger documents were dumped. Powell did keep a hedged endorsement of the aluminum tubes and contended that Saddam "harbored" Al Qaeda operatives. His most compelling offering to the United Nations was tape recordings (picked up by spy satellites) of Iraqi officials who appeared intent on hiding something from the U.N. arms inspectors. Just what they were hiding was never quite clear.
PRESIDENT RELEASES NEWLY RECOVERED WARZONE DOCUMENTS OFFERING INCONTROVERTIBLE PROOF OF IRAQI ACQUISITION OF WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION
CNN
hmm . . . so they didn't say they had absolute proof . . . they just had regular proof. Now I see.
Newsweek
The evidence sometimes cited to support Saddam's nuclear program was shaky, however. On the morning after Bush's State of the Union address in January, Greg Thielmann, who had recently resigned from the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR) ? whose duties included tracking Iraq's WMD program ? read the text in the newspaper. Bush had cited British intelligence reports that Saddam was trying to purchase "significant quantities of uranium from Africa."
Thielmann was floored. "When I saw that, it really blew me away," Thielmann told NEWSWEEK. Thielmann knew about the source of the allegation. The CIA had come up with some documents purporting to show Saddam had attempted to buy up to 500 tons of uranium oxide from the African country of Niger. INR had concluded that the purchases were implausible ? and made that point clear to Powell's office. As Thielmann read that the president had relied on these documents to report to the nation, he thought, "Not that stupid piece of garbage. My thought was, how did that get into the speech?"
The strongest evidence that Saddam was building a nuke was the fact that he was secretly importing aluminum tubes that could be used to help make enriched uranium. At least it seemed that way. In early September, just before Bush was scheduled to speak to the United Nations about the Iraqi threat, the story was leaked to Judith Miller and Michael Gordon of The New York Times, which put it on page one. That same Sunday (Sept. 8), Cheney and national-security adviser Condoleezza Rice went on the talk shows to confirm the story.
At the CIA, Tenet seems to have latched on to the tubes as a kind of smoking gun. He brought one of the tubes to a closed Senate hearing that same month. But from the beginning, other intelligence experts in the government had their doubts. After canvassing experts at the nation's nuclear labs, the Department of Energy concluded that the tubes were the wrong specification to be used in a centrifuge, the equipment used to enrich uranium. The State Department's INR concluded that the tubes were meant to be used for a multiple-rocket-launching system. (And Saddam was not secretly buying them; the purchase order was posted on the Internet.) In two reports to Powell, INR concluded there was no reliable evidence that Iraq had restarted a nuclear program at all. "These were not weaselly worded," said Thielmann. "They were as definitive as these things go." These dissents were duly recorded in a classified intelligence estimate. But they were largely dropped from the declassified version made available to the public. U.N. inspectors say they have found solid proof that Iraq bought the tubes to build small rockets, not nukes.
For four days and nights, Powell and Tenet, top aides and top analysts and, from time to time, Rice, pored over the evidence ? and discarded much of it. Out went suggestions linking Saddam to 9-11. The bogus Niger documents were dumped. Powell did keep a hedged endorsement of the aluminum tubes and contended that Saddam "harbored" Al Qaeda operatives. His most compelling offering to the United Nations was tape recordings (picked up by spy satellites) of Iraqi officials who appeared intent on hiding something from the U.N. arms inspectors. Just what they were hiding was never quite clear.
CaptnKirk
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The September date for the 'Announcement' is to politically capatalize on the 9/11 sympathy,
and to co-incide with the Bush 'Official Extravaganza' of the kick-off of his 2004 campaign.
All posture - Photo Op.
If there was WMD info for real, it would have been out by now.
I watched David Key on FOX last week, and he mouthed talking points,
not information or data. I have zero faith in this administration and their sooth-sayers
They lie too easily and unconvincingly anymore.
Real long article from the Washington Post
Too long to try to clip from, just do the registration thing, it won't cost you anything,
and Ashcroft can add you to his vast data base list of known liberal sympathizers,
commie pinko frreaks, and anti-patriotic neocon hating subversives.
and to co-incide with the Bush 'Official Extravaganza' of the kick-off of his 2004 campaign.
All posture - Photo Op.
If there was WMD info for real, it would have been out by now.
I watched David Key on FOX last week, and he mouthed talking points,
not information or data. I have zero faith in this administration and their sooth-sayers
They lie too easily and unconvincingly anymore.
Real long article from the Washington Post
Too long to try to clip from, just do the registration thing, it won't cost you anything,
and Ashcroft can add you to his vast data base list of known liberal sympathizers,
commie pinko frreaks, and anti-patriotic neocon hating subversives.
I was thinking about posting that article, realy deserves its own thread, even though I'v only read about 1/3 of it, Aluminum tubes, exact fit for Italian rockets. Guess we can now rule them out for good.
Aww, don't worry about Hero. He's utterly oblivious to reality. He just pops in now and again to lash out at those he thinks are too "liberal."
well they probably just filed off the serial numbers of some nukes and now they are in the process of hiding them now.
or they think bush is going to screw up in mid sept. so this is one way to skirt the issue.
sorry i have been reading too many of moonies posts
or they think bush is going to screw up in mid sept. so this is one way to skirt the issue.
sorry i have been reading too many of moonies posts
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