WL leaks list of facilities "vital to US security"

[Craig234]

WikiL will post any doc that our government can't protect.

No, they won't/don't.

Frankly, I couldn't care less about WikiL since they aren't the cause of the virus but the person who catches it and spreads it. All the virus needs is a host like Washington Post, WikiL, or a bit-torrent to spread.

That is more accurate.

 

[Infohawk]

The Good News is that there's no way the Terrorists could use the list to cause irreparable harm.

And why is that?

 

[sandorski]

And why is that?

Lack of Resources. They can take 1 or 2 targets, once in awhile. To cause irreparable harm would require many targets be hit all at once. Even then some of these targets could be recovered relatively quickly making any harm temporary. Many others only increase risk of harm and are not automatically harmful to lose by themselves.

 

[Ns1]

I'm glad all WL is doing is exposing government corruption.

/sarcasm

 

[Infohawk]

Lack of Resources. They can take 1 or 2 targets, once in awhile. To cause irreparable harm would require many targets be hit all at once. Even then some of these targets could be recovered relatively quickly making any harm temporary. Many others only increase risk of harm and are not automatically harmful to lose by themselves.

How would you know? Are you part of Al-Queada? Remember how during 9/11 they pulled off multiple attacks at once? A pipeline here and a couple other strategic structures here could cause a lot of damage.

 

[Ns1]

Lack of Resources. They can take 1 or 2 targets, once in awhile. To cause irreparable harm would require many targets be hit all at once. Even then some of these targets could be recovered relatively quickly making any harm temporary. Many others only increase risk of harm and are not automatically harmful to lose by themselves.

I don't know about that, a failed underwear bombing now requires everyone to have their balls cupped at who knows how much increased cost.


Net cost to AQ = a few thousand, net cost to America = a few b/million.

 

[PJABBER]

Lack of Resources. They can take 1 or 2 targets, once in awhile. To cause irreparable harm would require many targets be hit all at once. Even then some of these targets could be recovered relatively quickly making any harm temporary. Many others only increase risk of harm and are not automatically harmful to lose by themselves.

Would you volunteer to staff the first site to be hit? How about the second one, if you survive the first attempt?

Would you commit to living a winter without heat in empathy to those who would freeze should a gas pipeline junction point be destroyed?

Would you be the first to volunteer to drink contaminated water in empathy with the families that will die as a result of a violent political statement?

How about if you volunteer to be infected with a fatal if not treated disease and then refuse treatment in empathy with those who will die if a vaccine lab is destroyed?

Or is it just that you, like your friends at WikiLeaks, see the casualties of any possible terrorist/revolutionary/anarchist attack as inconsequential collateral damage in furtherance of your goal of destroying the United States?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Lack of Resources. They can take 1 or 2 targets, once in awhile. To cause irreparable harm would require many targets be hit all at once. Even then some of these targets could be recovered relatively quickly making any harm temporary. Many others only increase risk of harm and are not automatically harmful to lose by themselves.

You have no idea what resources they have, it's A LOT!

These aren't some piss poor little neighbourhood groups, they have the resources to hit any amount of facilities at the same time given enough planning and lax security of those facilities.

Lack of resources is NOT their problem.

 

[Capt Caveman]

I'd like to know how a low level enlisted man had so much info? Smells.

3 possibilities.

1. Our military is like Anantech and published all reviews for all to see
2. Other sources higher up
3. BS

Blame 9/11 and Bush.

 

[sandorski]

How would you know? Are you part of Al-Queada? Remember how during 9/11 they pulled off multiple attacks at once? A pipeline here and a couple other strategic structures here could cause a lot of damage.

Yes, I'm Bin Laden, you caught me. Now I must return to my cave to plot my next move....

10 years have almost passed and they have not managed anything near the same since. The greatest harm caused by 9/11 seems to have been the reaction rather than the action itself.

 

[Infohawk]

Yes, I'm Bin Laden, you caught me. Now I must return to my cave to plot my next move....

10 years have almost passed and they have not managed anything near the same since. The greatest harm caused by 9/11 seems to have been the reaction rather than the action itself.

Yes blowing up two huge buildings in NY, the center of the US defense, and killing thousands of people was no biggie. Your attitude is exactly why 9/11 happened in the first place. Most Americans weren't concerned about terror pre-9/11.

 

[sandorski]

Yes blowing up two huge buildings in NY, the center of the US defense, and killing thousands of people was no biggie. Your attitude is exactly why 9/11 happened in the first place. Most Americans weren't concerned about terror pre-9/11.

Of course it was big, but it still is insufficient to destroy the US.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Of course it was big, but it still is insufficient to destroy the US.

It caused a thirst for revenge that made us spend billions of dollars occupying Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention thousands of more lives fighting them. Even if a Neocon was not in charge, we would have still gone into Afghanistan (maybe even Pakistan) in our quest to eliminate those that might do us harm. Iraq would have probably been skipped, though.

Do not discount how much damage we can inflict on ourselves and others as a result of us acting like a wounded animal after a major attack against our populace.

Imagine if they struck several of the domestic targets on that list, resulting in massive casualties and financial losses and us doing it all over again on some other state that harbors the terrorists.

It would drive us even closer to financial collapse and most of it would be our own doing as a result of our reaction to the attack...

 

[SP33Demon]

It caused a thirst for revenge that made us spend billions of dollars occupying Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention thousands of more lives fighting them. Even if a Neocon was not in charge, we would have still gone into Afghanistan (maybe even Pakistan) in our quest to eliminate those that might do us harm. Iraq would have probably been skipped, though.

Do not discount how much damage we can inflict on ourselves and others as a result of us acting like a wounded animal after a major attack against our populace.

Imagine if they struck several of the domestic targets on that list, resulting in massive casualties and financial losses and us doing it all over again on some other state that harbors the terrorists.

It would drive us even closer to financial collapse and most of it would be our own doing as a result of our reaction to the attack...

Hate to break this to you, but another 9/11 like attack would never bring us close to any "financial collapse". I'm pretty sure you know what caused this recession and it wasn't 9/11 nor the wars in Iraq/Afghanistan. The subprime crisis made those numbers look like chump change.

 

[Darwin333]

Yeah, and that part of the release is valid...just edit/censor out what the vital locations are. It's like editing out the name of an undercover agent, while still releasing the fact that some clandestine thing went on.

More like having the names of all the local PD posted or something. Information that isn't all that hard to find out but something that you wouldn't necessarily posted as a list for all to see.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Hate to break this to you, but another 9/11 like attack would never bring us close to any "financial collapse". I'm pretty sure you know what caused this recession and it wasn't 9/11 nor the wars in Iraq/Afghanistan. The subprime crisis made those numbers look like chump change.

I was referring to the amount of extra debt incurred by military operations / defense spending in response to the attacks and subsequent invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan. If another 9/11 attack happened and the terrorists were being harbored in Somalia, we would likely borrow even more money to pay for occupying that "nation" to bring those responsible to justice / destroy the training camps if the thirst for blood was great enough.

 

[Darwin333]

Hate to break this to you, but another 9/11 like attack would never bring us close to any "financial collapse". I'm pretty sure you know what caused this recession and it wasn't 9/11 nor the wars in Iraq/Afghanistan. The subprime crisis made those numbers look like chump change.

I would bet taking out the LOOP wouldn't be that darn hard (albeit you wouldn't do it with passenger jets) and that would royally fuck us economically.

 

[Darwin333]

Lack of Resources. They can take 1 or 2 targets, once in awhile. To cause irreparable harm would require many targets be hit all at once. Even then some of these targets could be recovered relatively quickly making any harm temporary. Many others only increase risk of harm and are not automatically harmful to lose by themselves.

Lets assume they can knock the LOOP out and it takes us 6 months to repair it. Whats your backup plan to keep us out of immediate economic collapse?

 

[Fenixgoon]

Oh in other news federal employees aren't allowed to read the news about this.

yes they can (ie, a news article on CNN, washington post, etc.). they simply can't visit wikileaks or obtain the leaked documents on government or personal computers.

 

[HybridSquirrel]

anyone with half a brain would know where to attack to hurt the US...and if people are so upset and opposed to the releasing of these cables why the hell do they keep publishing them every 30 seconds? it just show that there are far more people who support it them than oppose them.


an anti-snake venom plant in australia? really? how many venomous snake bites are reported every year? aafp says 8000 bites, 12 deaths....compared to, oh i dont know 100k or so alcohol related deaths. You really think a a terrorist organization is going to blow up a snake venom plant -_- and gas pipelines and pharmaceutical plants...thats a no brainer for terrorists if they were so encouraged to do so.....fact is the terrorists don't really have the balls to do any of this or they would have done it by now, its not like they were waiting for wikileaks to tell them what to do....besides half of the "terrorists" we are concerned about probably don't even have internet access LOL

 

[CanOWorms]

It seems like a lot of foreign governments are really pissed off for this one.

 

[sandorski]

Lets assume they can knock the LOOP out and it takes us 6 months to repair it. Whats your backup plan to keep us out of immediate economic collapse?

LOOP? Acronym?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

anyone with half a brain would know where to attack to hurt the US...and if people are so upset and opposed to the releasing of these cables why the hell do they keep publishing them every 30 seconds? it just show that there are far more people who support it them than oppose them.


an anti-snake venom plant in australia? really? how many venomous snake bites are reported every year? aafp says 8000 bites, 12 deaths....compared to, oh i dont know 100k or so alcohol related deaths. You really think a a terrorist organization is going to blow up a snake venom plant -_- and gas pipelines and pharmaceutical plants...thats a no brainer for terrorists if they were so encouraged to do so.....fact is the terrorists don't really have the balls to do any of this or they would have done it by now, its not like they were waiting for wikileaks to tell them what to do....besides half of the "terrorists" we are concerned about probably don't even have internet access LOL

You do realise that certain forms of terrorism can cause panics that in themselves cause more of an effect than the actual attack?

See 9/11 USA for examples.

 

[HybridSquirrel]

You do realise that certain forms of terrorism can cause panics that in themselves cause more of an effect than the actual attack?

See 9/11 USA for examples.

how does running a plane into a building = destroying a snake anti-venom factory? people are far more concerned with getting planes run into them because of 9/11 because it showed our vulnerability here in America....if a snake venom factory in Australia gets blown up no one here will freak out about all of a sudden getting bitten by a snake...

 

[Infohawk]

how does running a plane into a building = destroying a snake anti-venom factory? people are far more concerned with getting planes run into them because of 9/11 because it showed our vulnerability here in America....if a snake venom factory in Australia gets blown up no one here will freak out about all of a sudden getting bitten by a snake...

It wasn't only about a anti-snake venom factory... so stop pretending it is.