without this getting dumb and locked.. wha it ZIONSM in detail

[dahunan]

well?

I feel it is the deepest racism possible.. beyond white sheets etc and KKK


IF I am wrong.. my soul (from the same sorry ass creator that created Zionists) would really like to know

SO, what is it.. what is zionism

 

[theflyingpig]

This is going to be locked because its another one of your "train of thought" troll threads.
Here's your comment it the Israel organ harvesting thread.

If one is a Zionist are they not Anti-everything else by proxy?

You posted that yesterday, and you probably logged on today and noticed that your comment had gone largely unnoticed. The teeny tiny little gears in your head started turning and out popped this garbage thread. Pathetic. Everyone knows this.

 

[Zebo]

Like blacks no one likes jews so they feel they need their own place where no one bothers them.

 

[dahunan]

This is going to be locked because its another one of your "train of thought" troll threads.
Here's your comment it the Israel organ harvesting thread.



You posted that yesterday, and you probably logged on today and noticed that your comment had gone largely unnoticed. The teeny tiny little gears in your head started turning and out popped this garbage thread. Pathetic. Everyone knows this.

Honest.. I see my quote you have there as truth.. AND I am very glad you brought it to light... I think to be a Zionist is to be anti everything else.. SO.. that is why I posted this thread

Care to respond to the question in the topic line?

 

[Ausm]

extreme right wingers???

I dunno just a thought

 

[MotF Bane]

Posting in a dahunan trolling thread.

 

[MiniDoom]

Marcus Garvey was praised for his Zionist views. Jews are hated on for it.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

well?

I feel it is the deepest racism possible.. beyond white sheets etc and KKK


IF I am wrong.. my soul (from the same sorry ass creator that created Zionists) would really like to know

SO, what is it.. what is zionism

We could always gas the jews. It's not like it's as bad.

 

[JS80]

Zionism is justice. To be anti-Zionist is to be a racist.

 

[Moonbeam]

•a policy for establishing and developing a national homeland for Jews in Palestine
•a movement of world Jewry that arose late in the 19th century with the aim of creating a Jewish state in Palestine
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

•Zionism is the international Jewish political movement that originally supported the reestablishment of a homeland for the Jewish People in Palestine. The area was the Jewish Biblical homeland, called the Land of Israel (Hebrew: Eretz Yisra'el). ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism

•Zionist Churches are a group of Christian denominations that sprang from the Christian Catholic Apostolic Church in Zion, Illinois. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism_(southern_African_religion)

•The Jewish national liberation movement which proclaims that the Jewish people constitute a nation and are entitled their national homeland; A religion practiced by people all over sub-Saharan Africa and is most popular in Swaziland. The religion is a mixture of Protestantism and Animism
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/zionism

•zionist - relating to or characteristic of Zionism; "the Zionist movement"
•zionist - a Jewish supporter of Zionism
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

•Zionist - An advocate of Zionism
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Zionist

•Jewish nationalist movement to establish a homeland in Palestine. This movement began in the late 1800s, as anti-Semitic feelings intensified in Europe. The main leader of this movement was a journalist by the name of Theodor Herzl. ...
regentsprep.org/Regents/global/vocab/topic_alpha.cfm

•( in Herzl, Theodor: Conversion to Zionism. ) ...a necessity both for the Jews and for the rest of humanity. Among the Jews of Russia and eastern Europe, a number of groups were engaged in trying to settle emigrants in agricultural colonies in Palestine. ...
www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/439659/history-of-Palestine

•of Israel in Jewish historical & religious experience Belief in the centrality http://www.jajz-ed.org.il/100/index.html
www.jafi.org.il/education/hasbara/glossary.html

•Hadash is anti-Zionist.
www.zionism-israel.com/dic/Hadash.htm

•Relating to decisions, political power, and lobbying performed by Rob Schneider or Adam Sandler.
encyclopediadramatica.com/Master_race

•The movement to establish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Zionism had its roots in the late nineteenth century, and was spurred, in part, by pogroms directed at European Jews. Zionism had its roots among European thinkers.
www.edukits.ca/diversity/middle_east/student/glossary.html

•philosophy of Theodor Herzl, late nineteenth-century German Jewish author of Der Judenstaat (1896). Herzl theorized that growing hatred of Jews in Europe and the slow assimilation of Jewish culture into wider European culture could only be stopped by the establishment of a Jewish homeland.
faculty.juniata.edu/tuten/islamic/archive/glossary.html

 

[wwswimming]

well?

I feel it is the deepest racism possible.. beyond white sheets etc and KKK


IF I am wrong.. my soul (from the same sorry ass creator that created Zionists) would really like to know

SO, what is it.. what is zionism

These are 5 books that I have found to be very useful in the study of 20th Century & 21st Century History. All written by Jewish authors.

Mersheimer & Black probably shed the most light on Zionism.


For Those I Loved
by Martin Gray
http://www.amazon.com/Those-I-Loved-.../dp/0451069420
Martin Gray was a young Jewish boy in Poland when the Nazi's walled it off. He started out by bribing Nazi guards and importing tons of food, which also turned out to be a profitable business. He subsequently was sent to Auschwitz, which he survived by hiding in the latrine.


The Transfer Agreement
by Edwin Black
http://www.transferagreement.com/
http://www.amazon.com/Transfer-Agree.../dp/0786708417
"The Transfer Agreement: The Dramatic Story of the Pact Between the Third Reich and Jewish Palestine (Paperback)"
Edwin Black has written a well-researched book about the agreement between a group of Zionist Jewish people and Adolf Hitler. The Zionists wanted to kick the Palestinians out of Palestine and claim the land as their own, but in order to do that they needed Jewish immigrants - which Hitler was happy to provide.


The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry
by Walter Sanning
http://www.amazon.com/Dissolution-Ea.../dp/0939484110
Sanning is a Jewish historian who uses census numbers from around the world to establish population numbers for the Jewish people before & after World War 2. He finds that 1.2 million Jewish people perished during the war. He also found a maximum of 3.5 million Jewish people lived in occupied Europe at the beginning of the war (and most of them got out while they could). These numbers are obviously at odds with the official conspiracy theory - that Hitler killed 6 million Jewish people.

Specifically -
the total world population of Jewish people in 1941 - 15,967
the total world population of Jewish people in 1945 - 14,730


The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy (Hardcover)
by Walt Mersheimer
http://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U.../dp/0374177724
Mersheimer goes into great detail to factually describe what is alluded to in this other article in Ha'aretz, the Israeli newspaper - "Every appointee to the American government must endure a thorough background check by the American Jewish community.

In the case of Obama's government in particular, every criticism against Israel made by a potential government appointee has become a catalyst for debate about whether appointing "another leftist" offers proof that Obama does not truly support Israel."
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1132797.html


Blood Passover
by Ariel Toaff
http://bloodpassover.com/index1.htm
Somehow I managed to get through 12 years of public school and 4 years at a junior university near Palo Alto, which included a full year of "Modern European History", without hearing a single word about the fact that the Jewish people were expelled from 12-15 countries in Europe during the Middle Ages. Toaff's book provides insight into one of the 2 primary reasons - Blood Passover (the other was the practice of usury, loaning money at high interest rates with extreme penalties for non-payment).

about Passover - "The Hebrews were instructed to mark the doorposts of their homes with the blood of a spring lamb and, upon seeing this, the spirit of the Lord passed over these homes, hence the term "passover" "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passover

The practice in the Middle Ages was for rabbi's and their followers to sometimes kidnap non-Jewish children, and to extract blood & other body parts for use in the Passover celebration. It was the furor over this practice that led Queen Isabelle of Spain to expel the Jews from Spain, for example.

Toaff describes the facts of these gristly proceedings in meticulous detail and is rather un-impeachable.

about Ariel Toaff - "Ariel Toaff is a professor of Medieval and Renaissance History at Bar Ilan University. He is the son of Elio Toaff, a former Chief Rabbi of Rome."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_Toaff

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Like blacks no one likes jews so they feel they need their own place where no one bothers them.

The Muslims despise the relatively secular Jews because they make them look like the backwards primitive barbaric irrational mystical people that they are. Jewish women can have freedom whereas Muslim women are treated like chattel. The Jewish people are great scientists, doctors, and innovators whereas little scientific and medical advance has come from the Muslim world for centuries. It's just an embarrassing contrast.

 

[JEDIYoda]

These are 5 books that I have found to be very useful in the study of 20th Century & 21st Century History. All written by Jewish authors.

Mersheimer & Black probably shed the most light on Zionism.


For Those I Loved
by Martin Gray
http://www.amazon.com/Those-I-Loved-.../dp/0451069420
Martin Gray was a young Jewish boy in Poland when the Nazi's walled it off. He started out by bribing Nazi guards and importing tons of food, which also turned out to be a profitable business. He subsequently was sent to Auschwitz, which he survived by hiding in the latrine.


The Transfer Agreement
by Edwin Black
http://www.transferagreement.com/
http://www.amazon.com/Transfer-Agree.../dp/0786708417
"The Transfer Agreement: The Dramatic Story of the Pact Between the Third Reich and Jewish Palestine (Paperback)"
Edwin Black has written a well-researched book about the agreement between a group of Zionist Jewish people and Adolf Hitler. The Zionists wanted to kick the Palestinians out of Palestine and claim the land as their own, but in order to do that they needed Jewish immigrants - which Hitler was happy to provide.


The Dissolution of Eastern European Jewry
by Walter Sanning
http://www.amazon.com/Dissolution-Ea.../dp/0939484110
Sanning is a Jewish historian who uses census numbers from around the world to establish population numbers for the Jewish people before & after World War 2. He finds that 1.2 million Jewish people perished during the war. He also found a maximum of 3.5 million Jewish people lived in occupied Europe at the beginning of the war (and most of them got out while they could). These numbers are obviously at odds with the official conspiracy theory - that Hitler killed 6 million Jewish people.

Specifically -
the total world population of Jewish people in 1941 - 15,967
the total world population of Jewish people in 1945 - 14,730


The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy (Hardcover)
by Walt Mersheimer
http://www.amazon.com/Israel-Lobby-U.../dp/0374177724
Mersheimer goes into great detail to factually describe what is alluded to in this other article in Ha'aretz, the Israeli newspaper - "Every appointee to the American government must endure a thorough background check by the American Jewish community.

In the case of Obama's government in particular, every criticism against Israel made by a potential government appointee has become a catalyst for debate about whether appointing "another leftist" offers proof that Obama does not truly support Israel."
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1132797.html


Blood Passover
by Ariel Toaff
http://bloodpassover.com/index1.htm
Somehow I managed to get through 12 years of public school and 4 years at a junior university near Palo Alto, which included a full year of "Modern European History", without hearing a single word about the fact that the Jewish people were expelled from 12-15 countries in Europe during the Middle Ages. Toaff's book provides insight into one of the 2 primary reasons - Blood Passover (the other was the practice of usury, loaning money at high interest rates with extreme penalties for non-payment).

about Passover - "The Hebrews were instructed to mark the doorposts of their homes with the blood of a spring lamb and, upon seeing this, the spirit of the Lord passed over these homes, hence the term "passover" "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passover

The practice in the Middle Ages was for rabbi's and their followers to sometimes kidnap non-Jewish children, and to extract blood & other body parts for use in the Passover celebration. It was the furor over this practice that led Queen Isabelle of Spain to expel the Jews from Spain, for example.

Toaff describes the facts of these gristly proceedings in meticulous detail and is rather un-impeachable.

about Ariel Toaff - "Ariel Toaff is a professor of Medieval and Renaissance History at Bar Ilan University. He is the son of Elio Toaff, a former Chief Rabbi of Rome."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_Toaff

Your something else let me tell ya.....you believe anything somebody writes as long as it fits your agenda.....sad and pathetic.....

What is interesting about dealing with people like you is you take everything out of context or you make up your own context to support your twisted beliefs!!

 

[brandonb]

To understand Zionism, you have to understand the principles of what Zionism is.

At a very basic level, it's a concept that a certain type of people (be it racial, religious, etc) want to live together, around their own types of people. IE: segregated. It's a form of nationalism, shared by many different groups today and throughout history.

However, in a multi culture world and in a democracy, how does this get achieved? We are all "free" in a democracy. This is typically done by mass immigration to an area of land by said people. With democracies, they elect people in government which supports their positions. Which then laws get passed to create power holds by these people. Sort of bending the rules to their favor slowly over time. Once this happens, there is usually nothing anybody outside this group of people can do to stop the stranglehold. Nobody else will get elected in, and laws will not change for the reverse.

It's a very bad form of democracy which is close to mob rule.

Zionism is that concept, but its by Jews to make sure Israel is for Jews. Mass immigration, buying all the lands, forcing their "democracy." Making sure laws and rules are all set in Zionists favor.

That leaves a bad taste in peoples mouths, especially for the people who occupied the lands before (palestinians before the Zionism movements started in the early 1900's)

Zionism can be racism too. Some Jews do not believe in Zionism, but others embrace it. Just as any other people on the planet, there's some that are racist, and some that aren't... Zionist are typically racist (just look at how they act), just like White Nationalists are typically racist as well.

----

To take this one step further into conspiracy land. Some people who believe in Zionism also believe in what is known as ZOG. Zionist Occupational Government. Which mean's that not only does Zionists want to control their own land (Israel) by said manner above, is they also put spies into other government around the world to promote Zionism.

For example, the United States is known as a ZOG, because anytime something comes up about Israel in the United Nations that is negative, the United States automatically veto's (throws the issue off the table) and gives Israel a "get out of jail free card" every single time.

This causes many to be distrusting of Zionists and Jews in general and causes racism against Jews.

 

[Aegeon]

Your something else let me tell ya.....you believe anything somebody writes as long as it fits your agenda.....sad and pathetic.....

What is interesting about dealing with people like you is you take everything out of context or you make up your own context to support your twisted beliefs!!

Its also notable he's citing some very classic anti-semitic claims against Jews too, specifically blood libel.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_libel_against_Jews
(Its not like he's being remotely subtle about it.)

 

[Infohawk]

Wikipedia defines it nicely in its article.

 

[Arkaign]

Zionism would have been a lot more awesome if there hadn't been a bunch of other settlers on the land that was coveted for restoring to the Zionist ideal.

For right or for wrong, it's a damned tragedy.

 

[soccerballtux]

The Muslims despise the relatively secular Jews because they make them look like the backwards primitive barbaric irrational mystical people that they are. Jewish women can have freedom whereas Muslim women are treated like chattel. The Jewish people are great scientists, doctors, and innovators whereas little scientific and medical advance has come from the Muslim world for centuries. It's just an embarrassing contrast.

this is probably the best most correct post in the thread.

 

[theflyingpig]

The Muslims despise the relatively secular Jews because they make them look like the backwards primitive barbaric irrational mystical people that they are. Jewish women can have freedom whereas Muslim women are treated like chattel. The Jewish people are great scientists, doctors, and innovators whereas little scientific and medical advance has come from the Muslim world for centuries. It's just an embarrassing contrast.

This is truth. Jews have contributed much to the advancement of society, Unlike Muslims, whos main contribution to the world for the last century has been terrorism. When you think of Islam, what's the first thing to come to your mind? There's no shame in admitting the truth. Everyone knows this.

 

[JEDIYoda]

This is truth. Jews have contributed much to the advancement of society, Unlike Muslims, whos main contribution to the world for the last century has been terrorism. When you think of Islam, what's the first thing to come to your mind? There's no shame in admitting the truth. Everyone knows this.

shhhhhh...don`t say that too loud...there are those like Lemon law and wwswiming and kylebisme and craig234 and Lunar Ray and others who when they think of Islam they see pie in the sky, happy go lucky peace loving people.......who they would welcome as productive neighbors....

 

[Zebo]

The Muslims despise the relatively secular Jews because they make them look like the backwards primitive barbaric irrational mystical people that they are. Jewish women can have freedom whereas Muslim women are treated like chattel. The Jewish people are great scientists, doctors, and innovators whereas little scientific and medical advance has come from the Muslim world for centuries. It's just an embarrassing contrast.

If it weren't for accident of geology they would be last in everything. Total regulation of life and explanation of universe tends to dull scientific and artistic achievement. Not saying Islam was always like that - prior to fall of Baghdad by mongols and killing everyone in city, greatly moderated and Islamic thinkers they were top dog in science and lit. Once they fell they reverted to hard core fundi Islam.

 

[wwswimming]

well?

I feel it is the deepest racism possible.. beyond white sheets etc and KKK

True. The Zionists have much better weapons. Part of the stipulation of US aid to Israel is that about 75% of it be spent on US defense contractors.

i suggest studying the following Israeli False Flag attacks -
the LaVon Affair
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

the Attack on the King David Hotel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

the Attack on the USS Liberty in 1967 (killed 30+ US soldiers).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

The USS Liberty was a spy ship in the Mediterranean that was watching the 6 Day War. Israel tried to claim they were acting in self-defense. In fact, they staged more false flag attacks to justify their attack on their neighbors.

The USS Liberty documented part of the truth. Israel tried to destroy it, then claimed it was an "accident".

 

[piasabird]

So if you claim to be an African American or an Italian American, or a Chinese or Japanese or Korean American are you a Hate-Monger. No you are not. You are just part of a cultural group and you enjoy embracing that culture. Nothing really wrong with that. I enjoy many different cultural groups. Life would be boring if I could only eat Korean or Italian or bland American Food.

Being a Zionist is being free to practice your own relegion like everyone else in America. I dont see many Jews in America running amuck and killing Christians or other groups. However, in the past, I saw a lot of groups in Europe and during WWII that prosecuted jews. Is it a wonder that Jews have been forced to fight against the world for their very survival?

Many other religious groups have been persecuted, even in the USA.

 

[JEDIYoda]

True. The Zionists have much better weapons. Part of the stipulation of US aid to Israel is that about 75% of it be spent on US defense contractors.

i suggest studying the following Israeli False Flag attacks -
the LaVon Affair
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

the Attack on the King David Hotel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

the Attack on the USS Liberty in 1967 (killed 30+ US soldiers).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

The USS Liberty was a spy ship in the Mediterranean that was watching the 6 Day War. Israel tried to claim they were acting in self-defense. In fact, they staged more false flag attacks to justify their attack on their neighbors.

The USS Liberty documented part of the truth. Israel tried to destroy it, then claimed it was an "accident".

as usual wwwswiming is living in his own inbterpretation of history......plus he has no basis to back up his statement that - Part of the stipulation of US aid to Israel is that about 75% of it be spent on US defense contractors.

Thats pure nonesense and you have no links or facts to back up your nonesense!

 

[wwswimming]

Zionism = License to Commit War Crimes, without Prosecution.

e.g. this article about Israel spying on the US.

http://www.counterpunch.org/ketcham03122009.html

"Scratch a counterintelligence officer in the U.S. government and they'll tell you that Israel is not a friend to the United States. This is because Israel runs one of the most aggressive and damaging espionage networks targeting the U.S.."

"Other deep cover operations included the penetration of a U.S. company that provided weapons-grade uranium to the Department of Defense during the 1960s; Israeli agents eventually spirited home an estimated 200 pounds of uranium as the bulwark in Israel’s secret nuclear weapons program."

i find the ADL website to be a great source of information. for example, they target Cynthia McKinney and many other Americans, merely for speaking out on behalf of Palestinian civilians.

http://www.adl.org/NR/exeres/85EAE0...1A2-02CD-43AF-8147-649E26813571,frameless.htm

if South Africa had defended their right to Apartheid as vociferously as Israel defends their right to Apartheid, South African Apartheid never would have ended. but we didn't hear any South African politicians whining that anti-apartheid policies were "anti-Caucasian" or "anti-Christian", even though the South African government was caucasian and Christian.

so, among other aspects, Zionism involves using the very old accusation of "anti-Semitism" (in-accurately, since most Israeli Jews are not Semitic in origin) to defend Israel's crimes.

as if being a rabbi gave you a license to deal in stolen body parts.
http://www.theweek.com/article/index/98972/Rabbis_and_organ_trafficking
http://www.theage.com.au/world/orga...ed-over-massive-crime-ring-20090724-dv50.html

of course, being a Zionist doesn't mean that you are Jewish. it means you support the right of Israel to use extra-legal and immoral means to "defend" themselves.

some of the most vociferous Zionists call themselves Christians, e.g. Pastor Bob and his "Prophecy" lectures at this large church in Rancho Santa Fe, one of the wealthiest communities in San Diego.
http://www.horizon.org/
over and over, he tells his flock, "if you want to go to Heaven, you have to support Israel." he also tells whopper-size lies about Palestinians in the Gaza firing 60-100 rockets a day into Israel in December 2008, making him possibly the only news outlet on earth to carry that particular tall tale.