With Nehalem on the Horizon...

[woolfe9999]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
It was reported on Fudzilla yesterday that Intel will not allow Nvidia to create a chipset for Nehalem. So, essentially no one knows yet.

But seriously, if they don't allow Nvidia to make chipsets I don't see how SLI will live. Most enthusiasts will be building Intel based machines it looks like (unless AMD can pull a rabbit out of it's hat) and even if someone builds an AMD enthusiast machine it'll more then likely be Spider platform. Maybe Nvidia will start pushing the X2 cards harder...

This should be considered in context of the earlier Fudzilla rumor that Intel will not allow overclocking except on it's high-end (read: $1,000) CPU's. Something tells me these two rumors can't both be true. Right now, Intel is seriously on top with Conroe/Penryn and will increase its edge with Nehalem. But if these two rumors are true, all AMD will have to do is have Shanghai come in at maybe 15-20% below Nehalem clock for clock (i.e. just a little faster than a current Penryn), and many budget enthusiasts will jump ship right back to AMD. You can get 30-35% CPU performance gains with OCing, and NV GPU's will definitely be the fastest around for a while to come.

The second rumor, if true, is obviously a huge boon to AMD's graphics division. But then the first rumor will be a boon to its CPU division. It's like Intel saying to its biggest competitor, not only are we giving you a nice competitive edge over Nvidia, but here's a chunk of our CPU markshare too. Just because we like you.

The second rumor seems more plausible than the first, but it's very possible they're both false. Just my take.

- woolfe

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: woolfe9999

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
It was reported on Fudzilla yesterday that Intel will not allow Nvidia to create a chipset for Nehalem. So, essentially no one knows yet.

But seriously, if they don't allow Nvidia to make chipsets I don't see how SLI will live. Most enthusiasts will be building Intel based machines it looks like (unless AMD can pull a rabbit out of it's hat) and even if someone builds an AMD enthusiast machine it'll more then likely be Spider platform. Maybe Nvidia will start pushing the X2 cards harder...

This should be considered in context of the earlier Fudzilla rumor that Intel will not allow overclocking except on it's high-end (read: $1,000) CPU's. Something tells me these two rumors can't both be true. Right now, Intel is seriously on top with Conroe/Penryn and will increase its edge with Nehalem. But if these two rumors are true, all AMD will have to do is have Shanghai come in at maybe 15-20% below Nehalem clock for clock (i.e. just a little faster than a current Penryn), and many budget enthusiasts will jump ship right back to AMD. You can get 30-35% CPU performance gains with OCing, and NV GPU's will definitely be the fastest around for a while to come.

The second rumor, if true, is obviously a huge boon to AMD's graphics division. But then the first rumor will be a boon to its CPU division. It's like Intel saying to its biggest competitor, not only are we giving you a nice competitive edge over Nvidia, but here's a chunk of our CPU markshare too. Just because we like you.

The second rumor seems more plausible than the first, but it's very possible they're both false. Just my take.

- woolfe

Well, technically Intel doesn't 'allow' overclocking on their non-Extreme Edition cpu's. The multipliers are locked, it just happens to be possible to OC via the FSB as well.

 

[BlueAcolyte]

AHAH! But Nehalem doesn't have an "FSB." Although you OC athlons too, even with the IMC.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: solofly
Who really cares, (besides NV Salesman) NV's mobos are garbage anyway. If you want a multi GPU setup I'm sure Intel will have an offering of their own. Nvidia should focus on what they do best and that's video cards. I wish them luck cause they'll need it going against Intel, MS and AMD this round. I even heard NV will be joining forces with Via for that occasion, what a joke.lol

Hmm.

I have been using NVIDIA motherboards exclusively since NFORCE4, and I never have any problems with them.

As they do everything I ask of them, and give me the ability to run 3 way SLi, can you tell me what exactly I'm supposedly "missing" using this "garbage"?

The way I see it, I get a stable platform and the ability to improve my performance far beyond any other upgrade with SLi. Can't beat that.

Before you say "OCing!" if you go down that road I'm going to ask you to show me some significant differences at high res for gaming using a 4GHz CPU and a 3 GHz cpu. SLi gives you waaaayyyyy more performance than OCd cpu for gaming.

(which is not to say there aren't apps that need more cpu, but for my needs (high res shooters) I need Sli way more than a few hundred MHz cpu overclock)

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: solofly
Who really cares, (besides NV Salesman) NV's mobos are garbage anyway. If you want a multi GPU setup I'm sure Intel will have an offering of their own. Nvidia should focus on what they do best and that's video cards. I wish them luck cause they'll need it going against Intel, MS and AMD this round. I even heard NV will be joining forces with Via for that occasion, what a joke.lol

Hmm.

I have been using NVIDIA motherboards exclusively since NFORCE4, and I never have any problems with them.

As they do everything I ask of them, and give me the ability to run 3 way SLi, can you tell me what exactly I'm supposedly "missing" using this "garbage"?

The way I see it, I get a stable platform and the ability to improve my performance far beyond any other upgrade with SLi. Can't beat that.

Before you say "OCing!" if you go down that road I'm going to ask you to show me some significant differences at high res for gaming using a 4GHz CPU and a 3 GHz cpu. SLi gives you waaaayyyyy more performance than OCd cpu for gaming.

(which is not to say there aren't apps that need more cpu, but for my needs (high res shooters) I need Sli way more than a few hundred MHz cpu overclock)

I have pretty much completely lost use of Window's Media Player since moving over to the 780i platform. It used to just corrupt every now and then, but now WMP just crashes every time I load any sort of media file, whether it be AVI, MP3, or even MS' own WMV. I'm not 100% sure it's because of 780i, but the issues definitely seem to coincide with the introduction of that board into my system.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

I certainly hope Nehalem and Larabee are awesome enough to force AMD and nVidia into closer partnership, Intel is too much of a Juggernaut for this current 3-way free for all.

 

[solofly]

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: solofly
Who really cares, (besides NV Salesman) NV's mobos are garbage anyway. If you want a multi GPU setup I'm sure Intel will have an offering of their own. Nvidia should focus on what they do best and that's video cards. I wish them luck cause they'll need it going against Intel, MS and AMD this round. I even heard NV will be joining forces with Via for that occasion, what a joke.lol

Hmm.

I have been using NVIDIA motherboards exclusively since NFORCE4, and I never have any problems with them.

As they do everything I ask of them, and give me the ability to run 3 way SLi, can you tell me what exactly I'm supposedly "missing" using this "garbage"?

The way I see it, I get a stable platform and the ability to improve my performance far beyond any other upgrade with SLi. Can't beat that.

Before you say "OCing!" if you go down that road I'm going to ask you to show me some significant differences at high res for gaming using a 4GHz CPU and a 3 GHz cpu. SLi gives you waaaayyyyy more performance than OCd cpu for gaming.

(which is not to say there aren't apps that need more cpu, but for my needs (high res shooters) I need Sli way more than a few hundred MHz cpu overclock)

And I've been using NV mobos since nforce1 and I tell you they're piss poor. If it wasn't a driver issue it was something else, but I'm not gonna waste my time arguing with you like I did at the Nvidia forums. Anything coming out of your mouth is BS to me anyway. You wouldn't admit to a problem even if you had one. Your job is to sell nvidia and everybody should know of your agenda.
Next time don't call me out cause I say it how it is and unfortunately for you, you can't edit or erase my messeges here like you do over there. I thought you already learned that...

 

[angry hampster]

Originally posted by: nitromullet


I have pretty much completely lost use of Window's Media Player since moving over to the 780i platform. It used to just corrupt every now and then, but now WMP just crashes every time I load any sort of media file, whether it be AVI, MP3, or even MS' own WMV. I'm not 100% sure it's because of 780i, but the issues definitely seem to coincide with the introduction of that board into my system.

Solution: use VLC and winamp.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: angry hampster

Originally posted by: nitromullet


I have pretty much completely lost use of Window's Media Player since moving over to the 780i platform. It used to just corrupt every now and then, but now WMP just crashes every time I load any sort of media file, whether it be AVI, MP3, or even MS' own WMV. I'm not 100% sure it's because of 780i, but the issues definitely seem to coincide with the introduction of that board into my system.

Solution: use VLC and winamp.

Sounds more like a bandaid then a 'solution'.

 

[sourthings]

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: solofly
Who really cares, (besides NV Salesman) NV's mobos are garbage anyway. If you want a multi GPU setup I'm sure Intel will have an offering of their own. Nvidia should focus on what they do best and that's video cards. I wish them luck cause they'll need it going against Intel, MS and AMD this round. I even heard NV will be joining forces with Via for that occasion, what a joke.lol

Hmm.

I have been using NVIDIA motherboards exclusively since NFORCE4, and I never have any problems with them.

As they do everything I ask of them, and give me the ability to run 3 way SLi, can you tell me what exactly I'm supposedly "missing" using this "garbage"?

The way I see it, I get a stable platform and the ability to improve my performance far beyond any other upgrade with SLi. Can't beat that.

Before you say "OCing!" if you go down that road I'm going to ask you to show me some significant differences at high res for gaming using a 4GHz CPU and a 3 GHz cpu. SLi gives you waaaayyyyy more performance than OCd cpu for gaming.

(which is not to say there aren't apps that need more cpu, but for my needs (high res shooters) I need Sli way more than a few hundred MHz cpu overclock)

http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.asp?m=253891

This issue is quite old. And universal across multiple providers of 750/780/790 boards. There is no response to this from nvidia or solution in terms of replacement boards that work.

I've used a lot of nforce boards myself since the A64 was king and meddled with some up to now.

NV boards are nowhere even close to the stability or quality of Intel boards. I think in asking anyone who is an enthusiast, from the majority you will hear the same. I've wanted SLI myself, even moreso now with the 280 looking to be a fine card, but I am going to settle for just one. The reason is because I don't want to saddle my rig with an NV board.

And OCing is an issue, at least for myself. I want the most out of ALL my parts, regardless of just how much more of a performance edge it gives. Like most enthusiasts I still want the best, just to have it. Using the argument of performance gains is not really relevant. Take the new offerings coming from NV, justifiably one could easily say that anyone who is not gaming at 1920x1200 or 2560x1600 has NO reason to upgrade if they have an 8800gtx or gts 512, gt. There will be no real appreciable or noticeable gain in their games, apart from say Crysis. Which is a game you play once, maybe twice, and put down.

NV boards run hot, are buggy as hell, and have only one redeeming use in comparison to a solid, proven intel platform, SLI.

The most common thing you hear from someone who wants SLI but doesn't go with it, is not wanting to use an nvidia based motherboard. Or those who do end up going with it and understand motherboard tech, lament the loss of the quality of an intel based MB in their rig.

 

[BFG10K]

Who really cares, (besides NV Salesman) NV's mobos are garbage anyway.

nVidia had a nice little scheme going: restrict SLI to their own overpriced motherboards which then forced people to buy them instead of Intel chipsets.

Now If Intel won't let them have Nehalem there?s really no reason to pick an nVidia motherboard over an Intel one (which is generally considered superior). Intel is playing nVidia's own little game.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: solofly

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: solofly
Who really cares, (besides NV Salesman) NV's mobos are garbage anyway. If you want a multi GPU setup I'm sure Intel will have an offering of their own. Nvidia should focus on what they do best and that's video cards. I wish them luck cause they'll need it going against Intel, MS and AMD this round. I even heard NV will be joining forces with Via for that occasion, what a joke.lol

Hmm.

I have been using NVIDIA motherboards exclusively since NFORCE4, and I never have any problems with them.

As they do everything I ask of them, and give me the ability to run 3 way SLi, can you tell me what exactly I'm supposedly "missing" using this "garbage"?

The way I see it, I get a stable platform and the ability to improve my performance far beyond any other upgrade with SLi. Can't beat that.

Before you say "OCing!" if you go down that road I'm going to ask you to show me some significant differences at high res for gaming using a 4GHz CPU and a 3 GHz cpu. SLi gives you waaaayyyyy more performance than OCd cpu for gaming.

(which is not to say there aren't apps that need more cpu, but for my needs (high res shooters) I need Sli way more than a few hundred MHz cpu overclock)

And I've been using NV mobos since nforce1 and I tell you they're piss poor. If it wasn't a driver issue it was something else, but I'm not gonna waste my time arguing with you like I did at the Nvidia forums. Anything coming out of your mouth is BS to me anyway. You wouldn't admit to a problem even if you had one. Your job is to sell nvidia and everybody should know of your agenda.
Next time don't call me out cause I say it how it is and unfortunately for you, you can't edit or erase my messeges here like you do over there. I thought you already learned that...

They suck ass yet you continue to use them since Nforce 1?

 

[aka1nas]

They essentially knocked VIA out of their niche as being the affordable chipset vendor whose products were (usually) just stable enough to keep you from chucking them completely.

I've owned boards from most of the Nforce series also. Nforce2 was the high point. Everything since then has been barely functional crap due to Nvidia's anemic plaform driver support.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Well we can end the rumors *for now*:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9956256-7.html

UPDATE 5:48pm PT - Intel released an additional statement after this blog was posted. "We are not seeking any SLI concession from Nvidia in exchange for granting any Nehalem license rights to Nvidia," the company said.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: solofly

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: solofly
Who really cares, (besides NV Salesman) NV's mobos are garbage anyway. If you want a multi GPU setup I'm sure Intel will have an offering of their own. Nvidia should focus on what they do best and that's video cards. I wish them luck cause they'll need it going against Intel, MS and AMD this round. I even heard NV will be joining forces with Via for that occasion, what a joke.lol

Hmm.

I have been using NVIDIA motherboards exclusively since NFORCE4, and I never have any problems with them.

As they do everything I ask of them, and give me the ability to run 3 way SLi, can you tell me what exactly I'm supposedly "missing" using this "garbage"?

The way I see it, I get a stable platform and the ability to improve my performance far beyond any other upgrade with SLi. Can't beat that.

Before you say "OCing!" if you go down that road I'm going to ask you to show me some significant differences at high res for gaming using a 4GHz CPU and a 3 GHz cpu. SLi gives you waaaayyyyy more performance than OCd cpu for gaming.

(which is not to say there aren't apps that need more cpu, but for my needs (high res shooters) I need Sli way more than a few hundred MHz cpu overclock)

And I've been using NV mobos since nforce1 and I tell you they're piss poor. If it wasn't a driver issue it was something else, but I'm not gonna waste my time arguing with you like I did at the Nvidia forums. Anything coming out of your mouth is BS to me anyway. You wouldn't admit to a problem even if you had one. Your job is to sell nvidia and everybody should know of your agenda.
Next time don't call me out cause I say it how it is and unfortunately for you, you can't edit or erase my messeges here like you do over there. I thought you already learned that...

They suck ass yet you continue to use them since Nforce 1?

This is a pretty good point.

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Originally posted by: angry hampster

Originally posted by: nitromullet


I have pretty much completely lost use of Window's Media Player since moving over to the 780i platform. It used to just corrupt every now and then, but now WMP just crashes every time I load any sort of media file, whether it be AVI, MP3, or even MS' own WMV. I'm not 100% sure it's because of 780i, but the issues definitely seem to coincide with the introduction of that board into my system.

Solution: use VLC and winamp.

Sounds more like a bandaid then a 'solution'.

Agreed... Besides, it shouldn't be an issue to begin with. It's not as if NVIDIA didn't know that people buying their stuff might want to use WMP... Their hardware and software should be tested, tested, and re-tested to make absolutely sure that they work with the few basic apps that ship with the primary OS their products are designed for.

Originally posted by: solofly
And I've been using NV mobos since nforce1 and I tell you they're piss poor.

I disagree with that statement. nForce2 and nForce4 (probably nForce3 as well, but I never owned one) were the best AMD chipsets in their day IMO. nForce4 SLI for Intel was a rock solid chipset at stock as well, but was a horrble overclocker.

That is kind of the point here with the current situation, I'd like to see NVIDIA to have to compete on equal terms with Intel with regards to chipsets. Maybe that would drive more innovation with things like Hybrid SLI and push them towards higher overall standards. NVIDIA has almost always shown that they will rise to the occasion when pushed, but their SLI chipsets for Intel and their reference motherboards are just overpriced and not worth the money.

 

[Sable]

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: solofly
Who really cares, (besides NV Salesman) NV's mobos are garbage anyway. If you want a multi GPU setup I'm sure Intel will have an offering of their own. Nvidia should focus on what they do best and that's video cards. I wish them luck cause they'll need it going against Intel, MS and AMD this round. I even heard NV will be joining forces with Via for that occasion, what a joke.lol

Hmm.

I have been using NVIDIA motherboards exclusively since NFORCE4

Of course you have. You get them free.

 

[ricleo2]

Originally posted by: Sable

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: solofly
Who really cares, (besides NV Salesman) NV's mobos are garbage anyway. If you want a multi GPU setup I'm sure Intel will have an offering of their own. Nvidia should focus on what they do best and that's video cards. I wish them luck cause they'll need it going against Intel, MS and AMD this round. I even heard NV will be joining forces with Via for that occasion, what a joke.lol

Hmm.

I have been using NVIDIA motherboards exclusively since NFORCE4

Of course you have. You get them free.

Thanks for the laugh.

 

[Zap]

Well, socket 775 should still overlap Nehalem by a bit, so it isn't like one day SLI will be there and gone the next. Also, there's AMD...

So, let's just say 2 years from now there are no longer any socket 775 stuff, and an enthusiast is stuck with going AMD for Nvidia-SLI, or either AMD or Intel for AMD-Crossfire. I think that would be a huge boost for AMD with Intel's help, LOL.

Actually, let's pretend it is the end of multiple PCI-E cards on the Nehalem platform. So what we'll have is AMD with SLI/Crossfire, or Intel without. For the past few years, seems as if games are more GPU limited than CPU limited. Knowing you can choose better CPU power with Intel and one GPU, or better overall gaming performance with AMD and two GPUs, as an enthusiast gamer (I'm making assumptions since we're talking SLI) what will you get?

Of course there's always the Nvidia GX2 cards and ATI's x2 card.

 

[jklmt]

Intel wants to crush the competition, that's what intel wants. It wants to monopolize the industry w/ it's processors and chipsets.

Market cap(billions)
AMD 4.62B
NVDA 13.46B
INTC 122.04B

Intel has enough cash on hand to buy AMD3x or nvda straight out. They'll all come to an agreement. It's beeter for business, overall.

 

[solofly]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: solofly

Originally posted by: nRollo

Originally posted by: solofly
Who really cares, (besides NV Salesman) NV's mobos are garbage anyway. If you want a multi GPU setup I'm sure Intel will have an offering of their own. Nvidia should focus on what they do best and that's video cards. I wish them luck cause they'll need it going against Intel, MS and AMD this round. I even heard NV will be joining forces with Via for that occasion, what a joke.lol

Hmm.

I have been using NVIDIA motherboards exclusively since NFORCE4, and I never have any problems with them.

As they do everything I ask of them, and give me the ability to run 3 way SLi, can you tell me what exactly I'm supposedly "missing" using this "garbage"?

The way I see it, I get a stable platform and the ability to improve my performance far beyond any other upgrade with SLi. Can't beat that.

Before you say "OCing!" if you go down that road I'm going to ask you to show me some significant differences at high res for gaming using a 4GHz CPU and a 3 GHz cpu. SLi gives you waaaayyyyy more performance than OCd cpu for gaming.

(which is not to say there aren't apps that need more cpu, but for my needs (high res shooters) I need Sli way more than a few hundred MHz cpu overclock)

And I've been using NV mobos since nforce1 and I tell you they're piss poor. If it wasn't a driver issue it was something else, but I'm not gonna waste my time arguing with you like I did at the Nvidia forums. Anything coming out of your mouth is BS to me anyway. You wouldn't admit to a problem even if you had one. Your job is to sell nvidia and everybody should know of your agenda.
Next time don't call me out cause I say it how it is and unfortunately for you, you can't edit or erase my messeges here like you do over there. I thought you already learned that...

They suck ass yet you continue to use them since Nforce 1?

It was the best of the bunch. The day nforce came out I dropped Via instantly. Let me tell you little bit about my history. 1983 to 2000 all I bought was Intel based gear and in 2000 I switched to AMD full time. The day Core2Duo was released I flipped back and I haven`t been happier since I can`t remember. Man, you have no idea what stability and compatibility means unless your running Intel rig.

 

[solofly]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder

Originally posted by: angry hampster

Originally posted by: nitromullet


I have pretty much completely lost use of Window's Media Player since moving over to the 780i platform. It used to just corrupt every now and then, but now WMP just crashes every time I load any sort of media file, whether it be AVI, MP3, or even MS' own WMV. I'm not 100% sure it's because of 780i, but the issues definitely seem to coincide with the introduction of that board into my system.

Solution: use VLC and winamp.

Sounds more like a bandaid then a 'solution'.

Agreed... Besides, it shouldn't be an issue to begin with. It's not as if NVIDIA didn't know that people buying their stuff might want to use WMP... Their hardware and software should be tested, tested, and re-tested to make absolutely sure that they work with the few basic apps that ship with the primary OS their products are designed for.

Originally posted by: solofly
And I've been using NV mobos since nforce1 and I tell you they're piss poor.

I disagree with that statement. nForce2 and nForce4 (probably nForce3 as well, but I never owned one) were the best AMD chipsets in their day IMO. nForce4 SLI for Intel was a rock solid chipset at stock as well, but was a horrble overclocker.

That is kind of the point here with the current situation, I'd like to see NVIDIA to have to compete on equal terms with Intel with regards to chipsets. Maybe that would drive more innovation with things like Hybrid SLI and push them towards higher overall standards. NVIDIA has almost always shown that they will rise to the occasion when pushed, but their SLI chipsets for Intel and their reference motherboards are just overpriced and not worth the money.

I guess you can see my other reply which is pretty much the same thing I`m gonna say to you too. Nforce was a great refreshment after problematic POS Via but no where near Intel`s standard. Nforce mobos are hit or miss, if your happy with yours Im happy for you.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Originally posted by: solofly

It was the best of the bunch. The day nforce came out I dropped Via instantly. Let me tell you little bit about my history. 1983 to 2000 all I bought was Intel based gear and in 2000 I switched to AMD full time. The day Core2Duo was released I flipped back and I haven`t been happier since I can`t remember. Man, you have no idea what stability and compatibility means unless your running Intel rig.

Errr... What did you find not compatible with an AMD rig? I've run nothing but AMD stuff at home since I put an AMD 586 upgrade chip in my Intel DX2 system, and have never run into any problems. At work I've pretty much used nothing but Intel stuff and have never had any problems either. No offense, but the bolded part of your quote really sounds like a bunch of horse shit. My last board was an Nforce 4, it was passively cooled and I could push my HTT link up to about 320MHz before it reached it's limit. My current board uses an AMD 790FX, while I haven't had this board for very long yet, it is also passively cooled but other then pushing my Phenom higher then it wanted to go at a given voltage I'm yet to have a lock up at 2.8GHz or below.

 

[zod96]

I bet what is going to happen is, Intel will say you want to make chipsets for our cpu's then open up SLI to us Each has to give something..

 

[TheInternet1980]

Originally posted by: nRollo
Hmm.

I have been using NVIDIA motherboards exclusively since NFORCE4, and I never have any problems with them.

lol