With $15/hr min in CA, #NoMoreTipping movement has solid footing?

[openwheel]

Still waiting for a response about how tipping produces superior results.

:whiste:

Still waiting on why you posted a link with false information.

 

[michal1980]

You know thats not causation though. There are many reasons why japan has more starred restaurants then the us. We are generally rural and places like los angeles dont have the refined palette needed to support a 3 star place. Too much yelp in our lives.

you did notice that for the USA only the population of the cities listed was used in the calculation? (same as it was for other cities listed)

 

[JSt0rm]

And you can increase your averages by pushing people towards things they don't want. Hence why an increased average per table is not necessarily indicative of a positive experience for customers.

round and round you go. Im getting off this ride.

I care about your research, but we are both well aware it is an outlier. It even says so itself. The research that I linked represents the broad conclusions of a large number of studies. Yours doesn't. Why would they be equal? This is the same sort of science denial that climate change deniers use. Sure there are some studies that say climate change is insignificant or not happening, but it would be nuts to treat them the same as the conclusions of all the others, no?

If research going forward suddenly started showing that tips were in fact related to better service I would change my mind without a problem because that's what accepting science and research means. It's not only good when it tells you what you want to hear.

Be honest you googled what you wanted to find. That is your bias.

 

[Genx87]

Well, that's the thread title.

The reason to stop tipping is the $15 min wage.

Without a high min wage, I will still be tipping.

Hahaha yeah. But the discussion has veered into why tips should be eliminated as a social norm regardless of min wage.

 

[openwheel]

Really? Your gf wasnt good if she only steered people to high price items. Service begins and ends at giving the guest what they want. Great service professionals listen to what the gust wants and then makes suggestions based on that. For instance if you ask me to recommend a steak I may ask you how you like your steak cooked. This gives me more information to offer you a better selection.

Glad you accept that tipping incentivizes people to give more service though.

Only the ugly ones has to steer people to order expense items.

 

[hal2kilo]

The only place in my experience that tipping is really effective is ironically at the free hotel hospitality bars. You tip at those good on the front end, you never wait for a drink.

 

[openwheel]

Hahaha yeah. But the discussion has veered into why tips should be eliminated as a social norm regardless of min wage.

Not it hasn't.

If California decides to pay waitresses $25/hr then I may consider the #notipping movement. Not for $15/hr.

 

[Ns1]

Still waiting on why you posted a link with false information.

Nope. Face it, tipping does nothing.

Anyway you cut it, places with no tipping culture have excellent restaurants with the service to match.

 

[fskimospy]

round and round you go. Im getting off this ride.

Be honest you googled what you wanted to find. That is your bias.

This discussion actually reminded me of an article I had read a while back that mentioned tipping was stupid and that it should be abolished, citing research on the topic. I went looking for that and did some quick reading, it turns out that the overwhelming majority of research does in fact say that it has little or no connection to service quality. Pretty simple. Prior to reading about it I had no opinion on tipping at all, I never really thought about it.

The thing is, even if I was super-duper biased against tipping that would be irrelevant. Either what I'm saying is backed by the large majority of the research or it isn't. My thoughts on the matter don't change that either way.

 

[JSt0rm]

you did notice that for the USA only the population of the cities listed was used in the calculation? (same as it was for other cities listed)

And? We are basic fucks here. We dont have a lot of Michelin restaurants. Until mikal1980 demands fresh Dover sole and understands balance of a tasting menu its not gonna be a big thing here. We dont value food in this country, take a look...

http://www.ibtimes.com/us-spends-less-food-any-other-country-world-maps-1546945

We like mcdonalds and cheap pizza. bud light and box wine. We are trash.

 

[JSt0rm]

This discussion actually reminded me of an article I had read a while back that mentioned tipping was stupid and that it should be abolished, citing research on the topic. I went looking for that and did some quick reading, it turns out that the overwhelming majority of research does in fact say that it has little or no connection to service quality. Pretty simple. Prior to reading about it I had no opinion on tipping at all, I never really thought about it.

The thing is, even if I was super-duper biased against tipping that would be irrelevant. Either what I'm saying is backed by the large majority of the research or it isn't. My thoughts on the matter don't change that either way.

That black and white world must be pretty comfortable.

 

[Genx87]

Not it hasn't.

If California decides to pay waitresses $25/hr then I may consider the #notipping movement. Not for $15/hr.

Yeah it has. Try to pay better attention going forward. It will save you the embarrassment you have had the past 20 or so pages.

 

[openwheel]

Nope. Face it, tipping does nothing.

Anyway you cut it, places with no tipping culture have excellent restaurants with the service to match.

LOL, your chart contains obvious false information, and

I asked you between USA and Europe, who has a more robust/lively restaurant industry. You came back with "Japan has a lot of Michelin stars" and some random chart that claims people tip in UK, Italy and Germany.

Honestly I don't know how to have a normal discussion with such idiocy.

 

[JSt0rm]

LOL, your chart contains obvious false information, and

I asked you between USA and Europe, who has a more robust/lively restaurant industry. You came back with "Japan has a lot of Michelin stars" and some random chart that claims people tip in UK, Italy and Germany.

Honestly I don't know how to have a normal discussion with such idiocy.

These people think outback steakhouse is fine dining.

 

[JEDI]

Not it hasn't.

If California decides to pay waitresses $25/hr then I may consider the #notipping movement. Not for $15/hr.

good for you?

if i lived in CA, i would tip less as the state min wage gradually increased.

-this year, 15% rounded down (should be $0 since everyone's making above Fed min wage now in CA but social norms.. blah blah)
-then 10% round up
-then 10% rounded down
and when the $15/hr min finally is here, $0 tip.

gradually setup the wait staff's expectations.
if a lot of people did this, then #SocialNormChangeForTheBetter accomplished

 

[openwheel]

These people think outback steakhouse is fine dining.

No, they go straight to Michelin Stars!!!!

 

[fskimospy]

These people think outback steakhouse is fine dining.

What people, specifically?

 

[openwheel]

What people, specifically?

Generous tippers!!! Not you of course.

 

[openwheel]

Funny thing is, anyone who has ever worked as a server, knows the tip discrepancy by the end of the day. The better server ALWAYS tallys the highest amount of tips, and the lazy servers ALWAYS end up with less. Certainly the more attractive you are, the higher chance of a good shift. All the bias "studies" in the World does not replace real World experience. I believe someone else already echoed this sentiment.

 

[Ns1]

LOL, your chart contains obvious false information, and

I asked you between USA and Europe, who has a more robust/lively restaurant industry. You came back with "Japan has a lot of Michelin stars" and some random chart that claims people tip in UK, Italy and Germany.

Honestly I don't know how to have a normal discussion with such idiocy.

Your continual denial of the facts is truly astounding. And the facts show that countries with no tipping culture have excellent restaurants with service to match.

 

[Zaap]

LOL, your chart contains obvious false information, and

I asked you between USA and Europe, who has a more robust/lively restaurant industry. You came back with "Japan has a lot of Michelin stars" and some random chart that claims people tip in UK, Italy and Germany.

Honestly I don't know how to have a normal discussion with such idiocy.

Hey come on now, its peer-reviewed*!







*another hack with the same agenda agrees with the same phony data.

 

[Ns1]

Hey come on now, its peer-reviewed*!
*another hack with the same agenda agrees with the same phony data.

Another solid rebuttal of the evidence :thumbsup:

 

[openwheel]

Hey come on now, its peer-reviewed*!







*another hack with the same agenda agrees with the same phony data.

What I want to know is, what the heck does having a few Michelin stars have anything to do with the economy of tipping. I thought Michelin stars are rare and prestigious. Or has every Outback Steakhouse earned a star lately?

 

[Ns1]

What I want to know is, what the heck does having a few Michelin stars have anything to do with the economy of tipping. I thought Michelin stars are rare and prestigious. Or has every Outback Steakhouse earned a star lately?

You asked

Oh you meant restaurants, well, here is one data I'd like to see, which restaurant industry is more alive? The USA, or Europe?

I provided the data

You have not provided any data to contradict this.

Protip: Switzerland / Belgium / Luxembourg / France / Denmark are part of Europe. And then once you add in the data from Japan / HK / Macau...tipping's not looking so good.

 

[JSt0rm]

jeezus christ man. I refuted that dumb chart 2 times now. With 2 different points.