LOL, yeah, isn't it funny that companies have to find another way to get money from consumers, but the good ol' government can still call and beg. Oh well, makes for good entertainment sometimes, to string them out for 10 mins or so, and then drop them and tell them you aren't interested.
Excellent! California is supposed to be implementing one starting early next year: http://caag.state.ca.us/donotcall/ BTW - does anyone know why these guys don't attack cell phones--is it illegal? I'm (pleasantly) surprised I don't get any of these calls on my cell but wondering if it will be that way forever or if it's just a matter of time.....
Here's Georgia's site:
Georgia No-Call List Web Site
Telemarketers that call someone on the Georgia No Call List can be subject to a $2,000 fine per call.
It's been active for a few years now.
Enjoy!
RCraig
Georgia No-Call List Web Site
Telemarketers that call someone on the Georgia No Call List can be subject to a $2,000 fine per call.
It's been active for a few years now.
Enjoy!
RCraig
Why do we cheer when the government takes away our freedoms? Why is it that we only care if our freedoms are taken if we care about that freedom? Now, in our "free" country, you can break the law by making a phone call to an individual. It was a sad day when they did this in my state, and a sad day for Wi. Think about it, first its guns, now its speech. If you don't like marketers, don't buy the crap they sell. Your convinience should not come at the cost of someone else's freedom. Boo to all of you who support this legislation so thoughtlessly.
yep, it's illegal for them to call cell phones because you have to pay by the minute to receive calls(or at least some people do).
i always have fun with telemarketers, especially when i'm drunk and it's a female calling.
Lists like this have been around since Alexander was a boy. Telemarketers don't have time to read lists like that, besides they know that even people on the list will buy whatever they are selling. They have no incentive to avoid you. Fine's of $100? Ha! I've got a $100 that says not a single fine will ever be issued. The government doesn't have time to issue fines like that, and certainly not to their friends.
darth What your wife does is immoral, inconsiderate, degenerate, cruel, selfish and unforgivably rude. I sincerely hope she finds a less destructive career soon.
The real root of the problem however is in the buyers. We can't expect politicians to fine the telemarketers that elected them, nor can we expect telemarketers to be voluntarily socially responsible when an endless supply of A$$ HOLES are out there willing to buy whatever sh1t is for sale. I think the only viable solution is to stop the nations welfare system. Without a welfare system, stupid people will have no means of buying crap and the entire telemarketing industry will collapse.
darth What your wife does is immoral, inconsiderate, degenerate, cruel, selfish and unforgivably rude. I sincerely hope she finds a less destructive career soon.
The real root of the problem however is in the buyers. We can't expect politicians to fine the telemarketers that elected them, nor can we expect telemarketers to be voluntarily socially responsible when an endless supply of A$$ HOLES are out there willing to buy whatever sh1t is for sale. I think the only viable solution is to stop the nations welfare system. Without a welfare system, stupid people will have no means of buying crap and the entire telemarketing industry will collapse.
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Well that's the lamest argument I've heard.
Should anyone be free to shoot anyone I want and kill them? No.
Should anyone be free to steal things from stores? No.
Should anyone be free to bug and harass people without their consent by trying to coerse them into buying products over the phone? No.
We have laws because people were FREE to do anything they wanted and the abused those rights. Murder, theft, etc. Freedom isn't always good. What's freedom to one side is harrassment from the other. Which side are you on?
From a Daily Herald article on Monday, August 19, 2002:
"...Illinois is joining a growing number of other states offering the ability to sign onto a "no-call list" ...."
"...Gov. George Ryan signed into law this month Illinois' version of the "no-call list"."
"...the new law doesn't take effect until next July"
Mosh
BTW, the article mentions a Naperville company that you can sign up with and they send out lists to the telemarketers. Anyone know the name of the company?
Fine then, point to me the line in the US constitution that states you have a right to privacy...
Law (like murder) is needed when you have no other way to control a situtation other than law. In this case, all you have to do is not buy their crap.
I'm no fan of these guys, but this law is wrong.
Law (like murder) is needed when you have no other way to control a situtation other than law. In this case, all you have to do is not buy their crap.
I'm no fan of these guys, but this law is wrong.
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I don't caer about buying their stuff, the Harassment is that they call me in the first place. Anyone can just say No but I shouldn't have to even say No because I shoudln't have to put up with the Harassment of them calling me. That's the difference. It has nothign to do with privacy, it has to do with harassment.
Every is granted certain rights. But when you abuse those rights, they get taken away.
Everyone has the right to have a Phone. But if you abuse that right by calling people and harassing them, soliciting them, annoying them, etc against their will, then guess what... You lose te right to do that. That's all that's happening here. Telemarketers have gotten increasingly mroe common and with that, increasingly more rude, pushy, arrogant, and harassing. I know people that would get 5 or more calls from telemarkets every single day. This is not a freedom that they have, this is harassment that they are blatantly committing and they don't care.
Laws like this are finally a way to give the public our Rights Back. I have the right not to be harassed and bothered and now I'm finally getting that right given back to me.
Every is granted certain rights. But when you abuse those rights, they get taken away.
Everyone has the right to have a Phone. But if you abuse that right by calling people and harassing them, soliciting them, annoying them, etc against their will, then guess what... You lose te right to do that. That's all that's happening here. Telemarketers have gotten increasingly mroe common and with that, increasingly more rude, pushy, arrogant, and harassing. I know people that would get 5 or more calls from telemarkets every single day. This is not a freedom that they have, this is harassment that they are blatantly committing and they don't care.
Laws like this are finally a way to give the public our Rights Back. I have the right not to be harassed and bothered and now I'm finally getting that right given back to me.
Homerboy
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They are using a utility I must pay for for their potential monatary gain. That is not a freedom, that is an abuse. Comparing the right to bare arms and the right to anny people on their phone line at any and all hours of the day is insane. I suggest you move to Canada.
Milwaukee born and raised... I had to be #3 on that list when it went live. NOTHING I hate more than the telelmarketers If my caller ID says "Out of area" you don't even get to speak to me.
On the note that WI is known for cheese, actually California produces more dairy prodcuts than us. And sadly Milwaukee has lost it's beer title long ago too... we really don't ahve too much to offer anymore I guess, except God's Team, the Green Bay Packers.
spwango, if you enjoy getting 5+ calls a day from rude, obnoxious telemarketers, then don't put yourself on the list! i think the rest of us are glad there's finally a law that prohibits harrassment. hell, one of them even called my mom a b!tch for not wanting to talk to them. it's finally time we get a little defense on our side from these a$$holes--or are you one of them too?
Hate to tell you this spwango but it is illegal to harrass people on the phone. If the call is unwanted and repeated you have legitimate rights to file a police report against the callers. I have been repeatedly called by many companies and told them each time to take me off thier call list and they are lucky I havent gone this route yet. I had to do it for a ex girlfriend and the same applies to all unwanted calls.
There is no other way to control the situation of having my phone ring during dinner other then to unplug them. I dont know about you I am not going to unplug my 6 phones each night. Not to mention that takes away my rights then to having calls come in of the emergency type. (friends know when to call me and when not to)
Not to mention this isnt taking away any rights for you to call anybody dont you understand? you can call anyone you want! Just dont try and sell them anything.
GoodRevrnd
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Originally posted by: straubs
As a proud Milwaukee resident... Are you all forgetting BEER?
What beer? THE BEAST?! :Q :Q :Q :Q :Q
in addition to all the other arguments put forth to counter spwango's ridiculous stance, the no call lists are voluntary lists... just as people have right to call anyone they want, i have right to not listen to anyone i want... since phone is a service that i pay for, i doubt it falls under freedom of speech, service can work to meet my needs. i can currently block numbers from calling my number, does this violate their freedom of speech? since telemarketers have proved such a nuisance, this simply provides a way of more easily 'blocking' all the telemarketer numbers...
~Zippy!
~Zippy!
Please tell me your address please, let me beat the crap out of you, please!!!!!!
She is a gosh darn secretary for an insurance agent. You got a problem with her line of work, you got a problem with me. Now tell your mom she should be watching what you post, cause your going to get the snot knocked of you real soon.
PS what if anywhere do you work, so I can avoid it at all costs...
Tennessee No-Call was the best!! It used to drive my husband nuts when he got calls about our "VA mortgage" when we didn't have one. I used to tell him just to say if they could beat 6.5 percent then we would talk. Well, that was 3 years ago and now they may be talking.....but they can't call!
Spwango:
I believe you are in a distinct minority of people in the USA who are *not* in favor of a no-call list. You are, of course, free to have your opinion. I am very glad this option exists and if it were not for the legislature, this would not have occurred. Sometimes, the government passes some very beneficial laws. All government is not bad ... and I don't mind my tax dollars going to this cause. The ironic thing is ... the telemarketers have to *buy* the list from the state -- further defraying the cost to us taxpayers.
P.S. Don't forget about Milwaukee and Harley Davidson
I believe you are in a distinct minority of people in the USA who are *not* in favor of a no-call list. You are, of course, free to have your opinion. I am very glad this option exists and if it were not for the legislature, this would not have occurred. Sometimes, the government passes some very beneficial laws. All government is not bad ... and I don't mind my tax dollars going to this cause. The ironic thing is ... the telemarketers have to *buy* the list from the state -- further defraying the cost to us taxpayers.
P.S. Don't forget about Milwaukee and Harley Davidson
Not true. We've had the same marketer call us over and over. We know because it was a recording. The same recording. They'd call about once a week. My brother knew about what time they'd call. If that's not annoying, I don't know what is.
On top of that, when I spent a few weeks at home this summer, we'd get, not an average of 5-10 calls a day, but more like 30. At least 3 an hour from 9-7. It's intrusive because it destroys our own use of the telephone. No one in our house wants to pick up the phone anymore, because half the time it's a solicitor. And we need to receive our phone calls too. So we have to pick up the phone everytime cuz we get enough important calls, but half the time it's a solicitor. And now, all but two of the ringers in the house are turned off cuz it was way too annoying in the bedrooms when the phone would be ringing every 20 minutes. So I can't wait til the California list becomes active.
On a side note, my favorite thing to do to live solicitors was to say hi, so that they know a person's on the line, and then just place the phone on the table and walk away. So they're giving their whole spiel to nobody. Then come back in a few minutes and hang it up.
Those damn 8am solicitations just piss me off. I signed up on the Kansas list two weeks ago and the phone calls have dropped off.
I think someone hit the nail on the head in saying that the Telephone is a SERVICE that the USER pays for. Telemarketers impede my ability to use this service. I don't know how many times I've been waiting for an important call only to pick up the receiver and find myself greeted with a solicitation; or the times that my wife has been unable to leave me a message because the answering machine was filled with fabulous offers. I think most people agree that the amount of telemarketing has become abusive.
I believe some telemarketers are pursuing First Amendment cases with regards to no call lists. It will be interesting to see how the various cases are resolved. Besides telemarketers, there are the spam cases and even fax spam (something I just recently found out about).
What the telemarketers are really afraid of: cell phone usage. I know a few people who have completely dropped their land lines and use only cells.
I believe some telemarketers are pursuing First Amendment cases with regards to no call lists. It will be interesting to see how the various cases are resolved. Besides telemarketers, there are the spam cases and even fax spam (something I just recently found out about).
What the telemarketers are really afraid of: cell phone usage. I know a few people who have completely dropped their land lines and use only cells.
spwango:
You make this way too easy. You must come up with better arguments.
In Georgia, if you want your name on the list, you have to pay a service fee. This pays for the cost of this list, not taxes!!!
Actually, this saves the time of tellemarketers. Now they are not wasting their time calling people, like me, who will NEVER buy anything from a telemarketer. They can concentrate on calling people who will buy and MAKE MORE MONEY! (HOT) It makes telemarketing more efficient, thus more profitable!
So we should waste money supporting an industry (telemarketing-not the telephone industry) that adds no value to society? Wouldn't it be better to employ these people in medical research or some other worthy cause? Our phone bills would be less which gives us more money to spend on things like COMPUTER PARTS. Now that's a worthy industry these people can be rehired in.
So you are a hypocrite in the worst case in this instance. You argure that this is bad while availing yourself of it's benefits. You have removed any right you have to protest or even question this service. To redeem yourself, you should remove your name from the lists, answer every phone call and listen to every sales pitch before saying no (or yes). That will support the phone companies while costing telemarketers the time and money that could be spent on paying customers.
RCraig
You make this way too easy. You must come up with better arguments.
In Georgia, if you want your name on the list, you have to pay a service fee. This pays for the cost of this list, not taxes!!!
Actually, this saves the time of tellemarketers. Now they are not wasting their time calling people, like me, who will NEVER buy anything from a telemarketer. They can concentrate on calling people who will buy and MAKE MORE MONEY! (HOT) It makes telemarketing more efficient, thus more profitable!
So we should waste money supporting an industry (telemarketing-not the telephone industry) that adds no value to society? Wouldn't it be better to employ these people in medical research or some other worthy cause? Our phone bills would be less which gives us more money to spend on things like COMPUTER PARTS. Now that's a worthy industry these people can be rehired in.
So you are a hypocrite in the worst case in this instance. You argure that this is bad while availing yourself of it's benefits. You have removed any right you have to protest or even question this service. To redeem yourself, you should remove your name from the lists, answer every phone call and listen to every sales pitch before saying no (or yes). That will support the phone companies while costing telemarketers the time and money that could be spent on paying customers.
RCraig
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