Wisconsin's Education Bill

[Red Dawn]

I'm not a fan of unions at all. I think removing their collective bargaining power is a step in the right direction personally. That is my opinion.

So you are for taking away their right to assemle and organize? What kind if facist are you? Leave them their right and negotiate with balls instead. If the Union in this case doesn't agree to the terms placed on the table fire them and replace them with Non Union Teachers.

 

[dmcowen674]

I love living in WI. It's a great state. I wouldn't want to be anywhere else.

The problem is that the unions were not negotiating. We have a lot of small towns in WI and the unions were refusing to negotiate. They just wanted more. So the small towns had to keep going to the state to pay for all of this. The unions brought this on themselves. They are now paying the price for their stubbornness. If they had negotiated when they had the chance and accepted some concessions like everyone in the private sector (non-unionized people) did when they had the chance, they wouldn't be in this mess.

Good post

This also will lead to similar ramifications Nationwide

Protected classes should have to feel the pain the rest of the country has been experiencing.

Not against Unions per say but certainly against protected classes to the point they are Elite.

Unions have to figure out a way to survive in a service sector environment and they have not done that. They had a place with factory workers but not with service society as it stands now.

This has all been a 100% success by Republicans to dumb down America and turn it's citizens into slaves for the Corporations.

History will show nicely done.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

If my tax payers are subsidizing ANYONE's college education, which I do not agree with, but since it happens anyways whether I like it or not.

I wish they would attach some strings

No-one can get subsidized tuition for more than 4 years

If they drop out after the 1st year before graduating, they must refund the amount that was subsidized to the taxpayers.

Schools accepting tax payer subsidies must not offer tenure, will not have professors on the payroll IF THEY ARE NOT TEACHING, and strict cost / benefit controls must be in place.

The athletic dept MUST PAY FOR ITSELF

The first two things you.said is already true. Unless ca set up extra rules to fafsa money.

 

[Red Dawn]

I love living in WI. It's a great state. I wouldn't want to be anywhere else.

The problem is that the unions were not negotiating. We have a lot of small towns in WI and the unions were refusing to negotiate. They just wanted more. So the small towns had to keep going to the state to pay for all of this. The unions brought this on themselves. They are now paying the price for their stubbornness. If they had negotiated when they had the chance and accepted some concessions like everyone in the private sector (non-unionized people) did when they had the chance, they wouldn't be in this mess.

Then the cities and state need to grow a pair and fire them, not step all over their rights. Replace them with non Union Teachers.

 

[boomerang]

When Teachers Strike: A Memoir

A thought provoking article.


Tennessee moves toward ending collective bargaining for teachers

The Times They Are A-Changin'


Last one as I know attention spans are short.

Scott Walker's 'Difficult Choices'

At the 9/12 Taxpayer March on Washington, regular Americans were treated with derision by the President of the United States as they gathered to voice an opinion on high taxes, out of control government and the loss of traditional values.

Last year Obama dared the Tea Party by saying: "So the challenge, I think, for the Tea Party movement is to identify, specifically, what would you do? It's not enough just to say get control of spending. I think it's important for you to say, I'm willing to cut veterans' benefits or I'm willing to cut Medicare or Social Security benefits or I'm willing to see these taxes go up... some of these are very difficult choices."

In response to Barry's "challenge," the newly elected Wisconsin governor, Republican Scott Walker, "identified and specified." In the face of a $3.6 billion budget deficit and in an effort to rein in out-of-control spending, Walker made the difficult choice to cut state worker benefits 8%, as well as curtail the power of unions in the collective bargaining process.

 

[XZeroII]

Then the cities and state need to grow a pair and fire them, not step all over their rights. Replace them with non Union Teachers.

1. What reason would you give for firing them? Sounds like a MASSIVE lawsuit waiting to happen.
2. The teachers union is one of the most powerful unions around. It's almost impossible to fire a teacher around here. If you do, they will just complain to the union and will be back in no time at all.
3. Around here, if you don't join the union, you still have to pay union dues. So why would anyone not join the union? How many qualified teachers out there do you think would decide to pay the union dues but not accept any of the benefits?

 

[XZeroII]

Good post

This also will lead to similar ramifications Nationwide

Protected classes should have to feel the pain the rest of the country has been experiencing.

Not against Unions per say but certainly against protected classes to the point they are Elite.

Unions have to figure out a way to survive in a service sector environment and they have not done that. They had a place with factory workers but not with service society as it stands now.

This has all been a 100% success by Republicans to dumb down America and turn it's citizens into slaves for the Corporations.

History will show nicely done.

Did you reply to the right post?

 

[HumblePie]

So you are for taking away their right to assemle and organize? What kind if facist are you? Leave them their right and negotiate with balls instead. If the Union in this case doesn't agree to the terms placed on the table fire them and replace them with Non Union Teachers.

No. I disagree because of practices of the Unions themselves forcing only union members to work. Most places, if you are a teacher you MUST be in the union. There are no exceptions from my experience. I seriously dislike that form of strong arm tactics and collective bargaining tool.

If teachers want to form together bargain a few things that is fine, but not as strong arm union. There is a difference and you don't seem to understand that.

Employee's and employer's should have the right to determine who works for them and what conditions they will work. Don't like working for X employer? Go find another that is willing to be more accommodating to you. Enough workers do that and X employer won't have any to work for them and will change their ways. On the opposite, if you are overly demanding more from your employer than any other employee is asking, you may have a hard time finding a job until your expectations come back to reality.

Unions had a definite need in a time and place. For teachers, it was when schools and places to work were limited. At one point, there was a whole lot less schools in certain areas where prospective teachers could work. Thus they were at the mercy of the employer if they wanted to teach without unions. This is not exactly the case now in the majority of this country.

 

[IEC]

This bill sounds evil. There will be massive cuts to all educators across the state. Teachers will no longer be able to participate in unions. The University of Wisconsin-Madison will be cut off from the other schools in the UW systems, meaning that the other universities will get much less funding. This is awful. All it will do is force good professors to leave the state and go to other universities. It's no wonder Scott Walker doesn't understand the importance of higher education, being a college dropout.

At least Scott Walker can read bills, unlike the OP who is totally wrong about everything he posted.

 

[Kanalua]

This bill is evil because that is what someone told him...reading is for suckers!!!

 

[BansheeX]

So you are for taking away their right to assemle and organize?

I tend to think collusion should be illegal. The market only works to provide low costs if everyone is bidding. If all the memory chip makers agreed to stop trying to undercut each other's prices, you'd be paying an artificial price, not a price determined by competing sellers. And you'd be pissed.

Conversely, we have people selling their labor who agree to not undercut each other's wages below $XX an hour and then use the government tax powers and mimimum wage laws to prevent more efficient competition from keeping them honest.

 

[Thump553]

I tend to think collusion should be illegal. The market only works to provide low costs if everyone is bidding. If all the memory chip makers agreed to stop trying to undercut each other's prices, you'd be paying an artificial price, not a price determined by competing sellers. And you'd be pissed.

Conversely, we have people selling their labor who agree to not undercut each other's wages below $XX an hour and then use the government tax powers and mimimum wage laws to prevent more efficient competition from keeping them honest.

You do realize that a corporation, llc or any other similar organization has as one of its principle purposes collusion towards a common goal, don't you?

Collusion=teamwork, except one is fraught with negative connotations and the other positive ones.

In a perfect society, illegal collusion would be protected against by things like antitrust laws. Unfortunately our government lost the will to effectively enforce antitrust laws several decades ago (in addition to probably being outpaced by the corporate side and the growth of a truely global economy).

 

[spidey07]

You do realize that a corporation, llc or any other similar organization has as one of its principle purposes collusion towards a common goal, don't you?

Collusion=teamwork, except one is fraught with negative connotations and the other positive ones.

In a perfect society, illegal collusion would be protected against by things like antitrust laws. Unfortunately our government lost the will to effectively enforce antitrust laws several decades ago (in addition to probably being outpaced by the corporate side and the growth of a truely global economy).

Actually price fixing is illegal and it is enforced. At a previous employer we caught resellers in the area colluding with each other on discount rates, sued and won. Unions price fixing labor should be illegal.