Wisconsin Supreme Court voids stay-at-home order-effective immediately

[cytg111]

Really? Shoulda told these folks:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/05/14/wisconsin-bars-reopen-evers/

Meanwhile in South Korea, one dude went into a night club............

 

[brycejones]

That is a very good point, I think considering the current situation you can't describe Wisconsin as a democracy anymore. From something I read recently the gerrymandering is so bad that Democrats would need to win the popular vote by something like 20% to get an even 50/50 split in the legislature. Basically Republicans there eliminated democracy.

Land doesn't have voting rights? (Before a conservative posts an overwhelmingly red map of WI based on how counties voted while ignoring population.)

 

[Thump553]

Nope however they can vote for the people who seat them and/or make laws.
Before it comes up I totally understand if filthy Wisconsin folks come to my State they’ll spread their deplorable disease

Supreme Court justices in WI are elected. This was a 4-3 decision. One of the justices in the majority was voted out in April-because of this sort of partisan nonsense but the court didn't delay this major decision so that his replacement would participate instead.

To me the thing that is especially galling and totally irresponsible on the court's part is that they didn't put a two-three stay on their decision so that the system the GOP touted could be used. I have never seen a court of last appeal act so irresponsibly on any such case.

 

[fskimospy]

Land doesn't have voting rights? (Before a conservative posts an overwhelmingly red map of WI based on how counties voted while ignoring population.)

It's kind of incredible - Democrats won the house vote by 9% and Republicans not only kept their majority, they almost had a veto proof supermajority.

What sucks too is that the next seat on the Wisconsin supreme court doesn't come up for 3 years. The courts MUST step in and restore democracy because there's effectively been a coup here.

 

[PJFrylar]

*sigh*.... my state again in the news.

The "best" part of the whole thing is that it basically went like this:

'We demand this be lifted!"
"Ok we lifted it for you"
"Well, wait... we're not ready for you to lift it yet!"

So it's not immediately lifted - it's in place until the 20th. The GOP "won" a total of 6 days (was supposed to be done on the 26th.
We're so fucking fucked.

On the bright side, We were getting close to hitting the metrics for a phased reopening. Things were going well and Evers's plan seemed sensible. Sure lockdown sucks, but now we're going to throw away a lot of what it bought us out of impatience.

 

[fskimospy]

On the bright side, We were getting close to hitting the metrics for a phased reopening. Things were going well and Evers's plan seemed sensible. Sure lockdown sucks, but now we're going to throw away a lot of what it bought us out of impatience.

Also all this stuff about 'lockdown' is pretty misleading anyway. No one is actually locked down in the way that lots of other countries are doing it. It's basically just the closure of schools and entertainment venues.

I think the media has done us a great disservice by describing these mild measures as 'lockdowns', which makes them sound far more significant than they actually are.

 

[KMFJD]

The conservative victimhood complex has made America impossible to govern

It's an obstacle to fighting coronavirus or any other crisis

theweek.com

For conservative zealots and media figures, the pandemic is quickly becoming just another culture war battleground — an axis of postmodern symbolic conflict, another vent for bottomless grievance, and fuel for a screeching victimhood complex. The practical effect will be to fuel infection and hamstring economic recovery. It's a stark obstacle before fixing this or any other crisis.


interesting article

 

[IronWing]

On the bright side, We were getting close to hitting the metrics for a phased reopening. Things were going well and Evers's plan seemed sensible. Sure lockdown sucks, but now we're going to throw away a lot of what it bought us out of impatience.

This isn't impatience. It is a calculated political move on the part of Republicans to cast the negative outcomes of the virus as something the Dems are doing to people. This is part and parcel of the astroturf protests against Dem governors. The Republicans are perfectly willing to get their own voters killed as long as it advances their power.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Also all this stuff about 'lockdown' is pretty misleading anyway. No one is actually locked down in the way that lots of other countries are doing it. It's basically just the closure of schools and entertainment venues.

I think the media has done us a great disservice by describing these mild measures as 'lockdowns', which makes them sound far more significant than they actually are.

Haven’t thought about this and it is a very smart observation

 

[IronWing]

Also all this stuff about 'lockdown' is pretty misleading anyway. No one is actually locked down in the way that lots of other countries are doing it. It's basically just the closure of schools and entertainment venues.

I think the media has done us a great disservice by describing these mild measures as 'lockdowns', which makes them sound far more significant than they actually are.

I think it is impossible for one to overstate the importance of bars in Wisconsin. The only thing I can think of that might cause more social unrest than closing bars is cancelling football or hockey. If the Green and Gold is not on the field, the red will be in the streets by mid September. It's like mandating low fat ice cream.

 

[Paratus]

I think reopening will be just fine. No issues.

 

[fskimospy]

This isn't impatience. It is a calculated political move on the part of Republicans to cast the negative outcomes of the virus as something the Dems are doing to people. This is part and parcel of the astroturf protests against Dem governors. The Republicans are perfectly willing to get their own voters killed as long as it advances their power.

Last time I checked Evers' measures enjoyed like 70% support.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

*sigh*.... my state again in the news.

The "best" part of the whole thing is that it basically went like this:

'We demand this be lifted!"
"Ok we lifted it for you"
"Well, wait... we're not ready for you to lift it yet!"

So it's not immediately lifted - it's in place until the 20th. The GOP "won" a total of 6 days (was supposed to be done on the 26th.
We're so fucking fucked.

I love Door County, I just wish I didn't have to travel through Wisconsin to get there 😉

 

[mect]

I want to see the economy back up and running as much as anyone, but just re-opening businesses isn't going to bring the customers back. That won't happen until people feel safe.

I think the most likely scenario for reopening is unfortunately the worst case scenario. Right when things start to reopen, there is going to be a big boom of very irresponsible people going out to celebrate their "freedom" (see Wisconsin). After this, the lack of widespread willingness to frequent these businesses will lead to insufficient customers to support the business, and it will likely be more expensive for them to open than to close. But since they are allowed to be open, people will stop pushing for economic relief for these businesses. At the same time, we are going to see huge spikes of cases across the country from the initial boom of people going out..

 

[fskimospy]

I think the most likely scenario for reopening is unfortunately the worst case scenario. Right when things start to reopen, there is going to be a big boom of very irresponsible people going out to celebrate their "freedom" (see Wisconsin). After this, the lack of widespread willingness to frequent these businesses will lead to insufficient customers to support the business, and it will likely be more expensive for them to open than to close. But since they are allowed to be open, people will stop pushing for economic relief for these businesses. At the same time, we are going to see huge spikes of cases across the country from the initial boom of people going out..

It's going to be very sad to see 2-3 weeks of 'see, everything is fine!', to an explosion in cases, to 'how were we supposed to know?'

 

[PJFrylar]

Also all this stuff about 'lockdown' is pretty misleading anyway. No one is actually locked down in the way that lots of other countries are doing it. It's basically just the closure of schools and entertainment venues.

I think the media has done us a great disservice by describing these mild measures as 'lockdowns', which makes them sound far more significant than they actually are.

I agree. I thought about wording that differently before I posted.

This isn't impatience. It is a calculated political move on the part of Republicans to cast the negative outcomes of the virus as something the Dems are doing to people. This is part and parcel of the astroturf protests against Dem governors. The Republicans are perfectly willing to get their own voters killed as long as it advances their power.

I don't disagree with that, I wasn't really commenting on the political side of it. I was more referring to the people who are in a rush to "get back to normal" without realizing that things won't be normal. Some people aren't taking this as serious as they should or don't understand the concept of delayed gratification. We were pretty close to reopening in phases, but they want to rip the bandaid off instead.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

It's going to be very sad to see 2-3 weeks of 'see, everything is fine!', to an explosion in cases, to 'how were we supposed to know?'

Nope it will be “Stupid Liberal Cuck Governor didn’t do anything!”

 

[trenchfoot]

The sheer beauty of this void by their Repub controlled Supreme Court is that they are relying on the smart folks who will stay at home to keep the infections from spreading while appearing to support Trump's "fuck the people for business' sake" attitude.

If the rates skyrocket after the void the Repubs will of course traditionally find some lame ass reason or another to blame the Dems and simply walk away from any accountability.

 

[Bitek]

*sigh*.... my state again in the news.

The "best" part of the whole thing is that it basically went like this:

'We demand this be lifted!"
"Ok we lifted it for you"
"Well, wait... we're not ready for you to lift it yet!"

So it's not immediately lifted - it's in place until the 20th. The GOP "won" a total of 6 days (was supposed to be done on the 26th.
We're so fucking fucked.

I mean, Jesus, wtf is going on up there?

At some point we should just rename WI "North Florida", but I'm not sure that's even fair to FL. GA maybe.

Not in area, but most wisconsinites I've met are mellow, level headed, kind hearted if not a bit of a bleeding heart type Midwesterners. Who are these people?

 

[theeedude]

I am sure that idiot nurse's patients will be happy to see her...

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I am sure that idiot nurse's patients will be happy to see her...

The President looks at these people as weak willed idiots.
He has stated that he does not drink other than a toast at a Wedding or during New Years. He has said drinking alcohol is for weak willed losers and it is a total waste of time.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Nope however they can vote for the people who seat them and/or make laws.
Before it comes up I totally understand if filthy Wisconsin folks come to my State they’ll spread their deplorable disease

How many degrees of electoral separation do we get before we can officially say that the voters didn't make this decision? 3? 5? 15?

 

[Vic]

Also all this stuff about 'lockdown' is pretty misleading anyway. No one is actually locked down in the way that lots of other countries are doing it. It's basically just the closure of schools and entertainment venues.

I think the media has done us a great disservice by describing these mild measures as 'lockdowns', which makes them sound far more significant than they actually are.

Seriously. India, under Trump's buddy Modi, has been under de facto martial law since March 24th. It is illegal for Indians to so much as leave their homes. Several other countries have similar lockdowns in place.

 

[Homerboy]

I am sure that idiot nurse's patients will be happy to see her...

ah... she said the magic words "Wisconsin Tavern League". They are pretty much the most powerful lobbying arm in the state. They are about as shitty as the NRA is. Just brutal
*sigh* all I can do is *sigh*

 

[Fanatical Meat]

How many degrees of electoral separation do we get before we can officially say that the voters didn't make this decision? 3? 5? 15?

not sure but the number certainly is greater than one