Wisconsin solution

[Jhhnn]

At a time when the average American taxpaying worker is suffering from either lack of work or stagnant wages, why isn't it fair to ask for concessions in the public sector whose salaries are paid by workers in the private sector?

Why isn't it fair to ask for concessions from the people who can afford it the most, the financial elite?

 

[alphatarget1]

Why isn't it fair to ask for concessions from the people who can afford it the most, the financial elite?

The rich already pay most of the taxes in this country. I don't think the government is very capable of making sound financial decisions, so before people are asked to give the government more money, the government should cut the sh!t out of things that are unnecessary. Government needs to stop intruding in issues they should not be involved in, and more efficient in things they should be doing.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

The Democrats' great creation of Medicare and Social Security has created an unfunded liability greater than all of this nation's wealth, including the evil corporations you despise. Cuts are necessary. Taxes will have to go up for everyone, including the poor who obviously suck at making the decisions for themselves. Cut EIC. Make it a financial disincentive for poor people (those who have no desire to better themselves) to have kids so the vicious cycle stops.

Public union busting is one step forward for America.

Wait till California, Illinois, New York, and all of these blue states implode due to many decades of failed Democratic governance where the Unions have the state and taxpayers by the balls, and you'll know why union busting is necessary.

 

[nobodyknows]

The rich already pay most of the taxes in this country.

Yet they keep getting richer!??!

 

[Jhhnn]

The rich already pay most of the taxes in this country. I don't think the government is very capable of making sound financial decisions, so before people are asked to give the government more money, the government should cut the sh!t out of things that need to be cut. Government needs to be less intrusive in things they should not be involved in, and more efficient in things they should be doing.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

The Democrats' great creation of Medicare and Social Security has created an unfunded liability greater than all of this nation's wealth, including the evil corporations you despise. Cuts are necessary.

Public union busting is one step forward for America.

Th rich also make most of the money, a much larger % of national income than pre-Reagan. And as their share of income skyrocketed, their effective federal tax rates fell by a third. I didn't notice rich people having trouble making ends meet pre-Reagan, but today they'd tell us that the world was coming to an end if they were asked to pay pre-Reagan tax rates on much, much larger inflation adjusted incomes.

SS isn't an unfunded liability- there's a $3T trust fund, whose growth was set in motion by that Hero of the Right, RR. He "saved" SS, remember? And his fan club thought it was all wonderful when SS contributed monies to the general fund, but now, well now that it's time to honor the obligations to the Trust, well, uhh, err, they want to welch on it, right? While holding effective top tier tax rates at the lowest in the first world, of course.

Righties love to rave about smaller govt, but when it comes right down to it, they're not willing to make the cuts they promise. Hell, republican governance has increased debt a lot more than democratic governance over the last 30 years because they've cut taxes willy nilly w/o reducing expenditures. This congressional go-round will be no different. They want big govt just as much as Dems, except they want to spend money on blowing up brown people and corporate welfare rather than on feeding people or anything else that might improve the lives of average Americans.

 

[Ozoned]

I know this is about Wisconsin and the Union/Budget situation but the other threads are so muddy that I figure I'd start one that was only for offering solutions and debating each of the solutions.

Rules:
1. To offer a solution declare it by putting "solution #:" in front of it(where # is a number).
2. To reply to a solution in support of or against put the # you are replying to.
Please do one of the two above, keep other BS out.

I don't expect this thread to survive long as people won't want to follow the rules set forth...but I'm up for being surprised.


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Solution 1: Pull bargaining issue out of the bill and pass it as a stand alone bill. Once passed, vote on budget bill. Everyone wins!

Allow collective bargaining, subject to line item (In plain English) binding arbitration that is voted up or down by the people footing the bill.

 

[Jadow]

Solution : Pull the language with collective bargaining in it and go with the cost savings that are already agreed to. Everyone wins~!

And thousands of local municipalities will still get held over the barrel by the unions. Not a solution.