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Wisconsin Senate Passes Union Reform Legislation

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PokerGuy said:
If you do something that isn't worth more, then you will be making a low amount. If all you can do is wash dishes, then you will make only as much as someone is willing to pay you to wash dishes. If that isn't enough for you to "sustain a family", then it's up to you to put yourself in a position to do something else.

What a union does is put all the dishwashers together and say "pay us $50k per year for washing dishes!", and through the power of collective bargaining forces the employer to agree to pay inflated prices for dishwashing. Private sector companies have competition, so they have pressure to not allow that. The government on the other hand does not, so it happily pays inflated prices (especially in benefits) at the expense of taxpayers. That's why most union activity nowadays is with government employees, the government is the only entity that can spend at will without much pressure from the "shareholders".
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400 people hold more wealth then 155 million households combined. think about that.
 
wirednuts said:
what? its due to the fact that companies make us compete with workers overseas making dollars a DAY. if those US based companies were required to pay at least US minimum wage scale for products they sell in US markets, manufacturing would be profitable once again in the us and we wouldnt have to boat every stupid thing over here.
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Welcome to a global world. Try learning a real skill instead of something that they can pay kids to do.
 
eskimospy said:
Lack of mobility for large sectors of the work force create that situation quite frequently in fact, which was sort of my point.
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With modern technology, lack of mobility is more a state of mind than anything. If you have an unemployment check, you can afford to move anywhere in the country. People who don't want to move don't deserve any sympathy.
 
eskimospy said:
Lack of mobility for large sectors of the work force create that situation quite frequently in fact, which was sort of my point.
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Apparently that particular situation does not occur all that frequently, as union levels have been dropping across the board for decades, with the exception of the one place that doesn't have competition to worry about: the government.
 
wirednuts said:
400 people hold more wealth then 155 million households combined. think about that.
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That has absolutely NOTHING to do with the issue at hand. If you think wealth concentration at the top is a bad thing (which, by the way, I do), that's fine... and it's also another thread as it has nothing to do with the citizens of WI vs unions issue.
 
Naeeldar said:
Welcome to a global world. Try learning a real skill instead of something that they can pay kids to do.
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kids shouldnt work and i do have skills that are likely far more valuable then yours. the point is the products are being sold in a US market while being made in a 3rd world market. those are not the same markets nor is it fair competition.
 
Originally Posted by wirednuts
what? its due to the fact that companies make us compete with workers overseas making dollars a DAY. if those US based companies were required to pay at least US minimum wage scale for products they sell in US markets, manufacturing would be profitable once again in the us and we wouldnt have to boat every stupid thing over here.

Naeeldar said:
Welcome to a global world.

Try learning a real skill instead of something that they can pay kids to do.
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Disgusting, people will be coming after the ass of people like you.

Mark your time
 
dmcowen674 said:
Originally Posted by wirednuts
what? its due to the fact that companies make us compete with workers overseas making dollars a DAY. if those US based companies were required to pay at least US minimum wage scale for products they sell in US markets, manufacturing would be profitable once again in the us and we wouldnt have to boat every stupid thing over here.



Disgusting, people will be coming after the ass of people like you.

Mark your time
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I'm not a fan of socialism. Sue me.
 
Naeeldar said:
Pensions/Healthcare benefits. GM has something close to a million people who no longer worked for the company but who they had to pay benefits for. That is a HUGE drag on the company. Current works benefits dragged the company down too.

What is tough to understand? Healthcare is not free.
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Just think how much companies would benefit from single payer.
 
Here's an email that was recently sent to Republican senators...the name is deleted and I understand that a police investigation is currently underway.

http://www.620wtmj.com/shows/charliesykes/117726263.html?blog=y
From: XXXX
Sent: Wed 3/9/2011 9:18 PM
To: Sen.Kapanke; Sen.Darling; Sen.Cowles; Sen.Ellis; Sen.Fitzgerald; Sen.Galloway; Sen.Grothman; Sen.Harsdorf; Sen.Hopper; Sen.Kedzie; Sen.Lasee; Sen.Lazich; Sen.Leibham; Sen.Moulton; Sen.Olsen
Subject: Atten: Death threat!!!! Bomb!!!!

Please put your things in order because you will be killed and your familes will also be killed due to your actions in the last 8 weeks. Please explain to them that this is because if we get rid of you and your families then it will save the rights of 300,000 people and also be able to close the deficit that you have created. I hope you have a good time in hell. Read below for more information on possible scenarios in which you will die.

WE want to make this perfectly clear. Because of your actions today and in the past couple of weeks I and the group of people that are working with me have decided that we've had enough. We feel that you and the people that support the dictator have to die. We have tried many other ways of dealing with your corruption but you have taken things too far and we will not stand for it any longer. So, this is how it's going to happen: I as well as many others know where you and your family live, it's a matter of public records.

We have all planned to assult you by arriving at your house and putting a nice little bullet in your head. However, we decided that we wouldn't leave it there. We also have decided that this may not be enough to send the message to you since you are so "high" on Koch and have decided that you are now going to single handedly make this a dictatorship instead of a demorcratic process. So we have also built several bombs that we have placed in various locations around the areas in which we know that you frequent. This includes, your house, your car, the state capitol, and well I won't tell you all of them because that's just no fun. Since we know that you are
not smart enough to figure out why this is happening to you we have decided to make it perfectly clear to you. If you and your goonies feel that it's necessary to strip the rights of 300,000 people and ruin their lives, making them unable to feed, clothe, and provide the necessities to their families and themselves then We Will "get rid of" (in which I mean kill) you. Please understand that this does not include the heroic Rep. Senator that risked everything to go aganist what you and your goonies wanted him to do. We feel that it's worth our lives to do this, because we would be saving the lives of 300,000 people. Please make your peace with God as soon as possible and say goodbye to your loved ones we will not wait any longer. YOU WILL DIE!!!!
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
Here's an email that was recently sent to Republican senators...the name is deleted and I understand that a police investigation is currently underway.

http://www.620wtmj.com/shows/charliesykes/117726263.html?blog=y
From: XXXX
Sent: Wed 3/9/2011 9:18 PM
To: Sen.Kapanke; Sen.Darling; Sen.Cowles; Sen.Ellis; Sen.Fitzgerald; Sen.Galloway; Sen.Grothman; Sen.Harsdorf; Sen.Hopper; Sen.Kedzie; Sen.Lasee; Sen.Lazich; Sen.Leibham; Sen.Moulton; Sen.Olsen
Subject: Atten: Death threat!!!! Bomb!!!!

Please put your things in order because you will be killed and your familes will also be killed due to your actions in the last 8 weeks. Please explain to them that this is because if we get rid of you and your families then it will save the rights of 300,000 people and also be able to close the deficit that you have created. I hope you have a good time in hell. Read below for more information on possible scenarios in which you will die.

WE want to make this perfectly clear. Because of your actions today and in the past couple of weeks I and the group of people that are working with me have decided that we've had enough. We feel that you and the people that support the dictator have to die. We have tried many other ways of dealing with your corruption but you have taken things too far and we will not stand for it any longer. So, this is how it's going to happen: I as well as many others know where you and your family live, it's a matter of public records.

We have all planned to assult you by arriving at your house and putting a nice little bullet in your head. However, we decided that we wouldn't leave it there. We also have decided that this may not be enough to send the message to you since you are so "high" on Koch and have decided that you are now going to single handedly make this a dictatorship instead of a demorcratic process. So we have also built several bombs that we have placed in various locations around the areas in which we know that you frequent. This includes, your house, your car, the state capitol, and well I won't tell you all of them because that's just no fun. Since we know that you are
not smart enough to figure out why this is happening to you we have decided to make it perfectly clear to you. If you and your goonies feel that it's necessary to strip the rights of 300,000 people and ruin their lives, making them unable to feed, clothe, and provide the necessities to their families and themselves then We Will "get rid of" (in which I mean kill) you. Please understand that this does not include the heroic Rep. Senator that risked everything to go aganist what you and your goonies wanted him to do. We feel that it's worth our lives to do this, because we would be saving the lives of 300,000 people. Please make your peace with God as soon as possible and say goodbye to your loved ones we will not wait any longer. YOU WILL DIE!!!!
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Looks like the same thing democrats get from tea partiers. Spelling a little better though.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
Here's an email that was recently sent to Republican senators...the name is deleted and I understand that a police investigation is currently underway.

http://www.620wtmj.com/shows/charliesykes/117726263.html?blog=y
From: XXXX
Sent: Wed 3/9/2011 9:18 PM
To: Sen.Kapanke; Sen.Darling; Sen.Cowles; Sen.Ellis; Sen.Fitzgerald; Sen.Galloway; Sen.Grothman; Sen.Harsdorf; Sen.Hopper; Sen.Kedzie; Sen.Lasee; Sen.Lazich; Sen.Leibham; Sen.Moulton; Sen.Olsen
Subject: Atten: Death threat!!!! Bomb!!!!

Please put your things in order because you will be killed and your familes will also be killed due to your actions in the last 8 weeks. Please explain to them that this is because if we get rid of you and your families then it will save the rights of 300,000 people and also be able to close the deficit that you have created. I hope you have a good time in hell. Read below for more information on possible scenarios in which you will die.

WE want to make this perfectly clear. Because of your actions today and in the past couple of weeks I and the group of people that are working with me have decided that we've had enough. We feel that you and the people that support the dictator have to die. We have tried many other ways of dealing with your corruption but you have taken things too far and we will not stand for it any longer. So, this is how it's going to happen: I as well as many others know where you and your family live, it's a matter of public records.

We have all planned to assult you by arriving at your house and putting a nice little bullet in your head. However, we decided that we wouldn't leave it there. We also have decided that this may not be enough to send the message to you since you are so "high" on Koch and have decided that you are now going to single handedly make this a dictatorship instead of a demorcratic process. So we have also built several bombs that we have placed in various locations around the areas in which we know that you frequent. This includes, your house, your car, the state capitol, and well I won't tell you all of them because that's just no fun. Since we know that you are
not smart enough to figure out why this is happening to you we have decided to make it perfectly clear to you. If you and your goonies feel that it's necessary to strip the rights of 300,000 people and ruin their lives, making them unable to feed, clothe, and provide the necessities to their families and themselves then We Will "get rid of" (in which I mean kill) you. Please understand that this does not include the heroic Rep. Senator that risked everything to go aganist what you and your goonies wanted him to do. We feel that it's worth our lives to do this, because we would be saving the lives of 300,000 people. Please make your peace with God as soon as possible and say goodbye to your loved ones we will not wait any longer. YOU WILL DIE!!!!
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LOL, angry liberals sound a lot like my 5 year old son when he doesn't get his way either. How typical.
 
CitizenKain said:
Looks like the same thing democrats get from tea partiers. Spelling a little better though.
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Better spellers and more technologically proficient too!

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dainthomas said:
By your definition, every government that collects taxes is socialist.
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I see, so owning GM is socialist. Thank you for the clarification. I will refrain from future references between wealth redistribution and socialism.

Although it is clearly a stepping stone when the money collected is used to buy / own / bailout things.
 
Originally Posted by dmcowen674
Looking forward to seeing if the Wisconsin people are Americans or America hating pussies.

They already fucked up by voting for and allowing an all Republican Government to begin with.

They will either redeem themselves or die as a traitorous state to the country.

tk149 said:
Wisconsinites aren't Americans. Okaaaaay 😱

And if you want to call me a pussy to my face, you're welcome to come here and say that.
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If voted for and support the Republicans and their agenda no problem meeting you and calling you a pussy and an America Hater and Traitor in your face but still have a beer with you and talk Politics.

Do it all the time, just ask the some folks I have met from on here in person over the years.
 
dmcowen674 said:
Originally Posted by dmcowen674
Looking forward to seeing if the Wisconsin people are Americans or America hating pussies.

They already fucked up by voting for and allowing an all Republican Government to begin with.

They will either redeem themselves or die as a traitorous state to the country.



If voted for and support the Republicans and their agenda no problem meeting you and calling you a pussy and an America Hater and Traitor in your face but still have a beer with you and talk Politics.

Do it all the time, just ask the some folks I have met from on here in person over the years.
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You must really be full of self hate then since you voted for Bush twice.

You mean like how you hate the United States so much that you wished it would become the next Somalia? My offer to buy you a one way ticket there still stands....all you have to do is agree never to come back.
 
shiner said:
You must really be full of self hate then since you voted for Bush twice.

You mean like how you hate the United States so much that you wished it would become the next Somalia? My offer to buy you a one way ticket there still stands....all you have to do is agree never to come back.
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I think even Somalia has some standards and wouldn't allow him to move there.
 
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