Wisconsin Judge race

[CADsortaGUY]

Actually, 19 counties who voted for Walker outside Madison voted for the LIBERAL against Prosser in this election.

Got a link for your claim, that'd be interesting data to see.

I don't mean a Scott Walker talking point. That guy is such a liar - he's saying that in another race, where the candidate linked closely to him as an official in Milwaukee lost the election 39% to 61% - doesn't matter because Milwaukee is a 'deep blue' county. Funny, that election was for WALKER'S REPLACEMENT, in a county that elected WALKER to that position the last 8 years. And you are here parroting his lies, it seems.

In fact there's a MAJOR shift, as opinion polls show Walker's ratings PLUMMETED.

I shouldn't have responded to you in the first place - I know better than to think you'll actually understand reality. But if you look around and educate yourself about the Wisconsin things - you'll see I'm correct. I don't have the link off hand but it didn't come frome Walker you twit. Sheesh, are you really that stupid?
And back to the point anyway - I didn't say he won all the counties outside of Madison, nor did I suggest it. However, if you look at the votes outside of Madison it holds true. In this election though you have a GOV'T UNION issue - do you really think that Madison(the state capital and where a massive amount of gov't worker live) wouldn't turn out? So again, outside of Madison - Prosser did better overall than Walker did last fall. So this claim that there was a mass turn against Republicans is nothing but BS.

 

[fskimospy]

News flash - eskimopie proves his ignorance once again.

Try actually educating yourself and then actually read what I've posted before letting your mouth go off again - it's making you look like a fool when you spout off like that.... but I guess you're used to that.

Oh I've read it, it was just dumb and pathetic attempts at rationalization.

We need to be clear on something,CAD. I'm not looking to debate you, I'm only looking to make fun of you. You proved long ago that you don't actually give a shit what people write, and so I'm returning the courtesy.

 

[CPA]

Let's clear up a couple things and correct the right's lies.

Back in the primary, when Prosser and her took the top two spots, he, the incumbent, won 55% to her 25%.

I don't recall clearly when that was but it might have been six weeks ago.

That less-than-half margin of her 25 to his 55 has now changed to her getting a very narrow win. That's a *huge* change showing a change in voter opinion.

I oppose judicial elections, but on this one, the fact is, the right-wing Prosser outspent her near 2 to 1 - somewhere close to 2.3 million to her 1.4 million.

He got big donations from out of state right-wing interests- in particular the Kock brothers, masking their donations.

That's terrible that these interests can pour money into campaigns this way.

bwahahaha, it's always the Koch Brothers, right Craig?

George Soros was masking donations to the left candidate. See how easy that was.

 

[ElFenix]

We The People, of these United States, are telling democrats enough is enough. STOP.

while we're at it can we tell the republicans to stop too?

 

[fskimospy]

I shouldn't have responded to you in the first place - I know better than to think you'll actually understand reality. But if you look around and educate yourself about the Wisconsin things - you'll see I'm correct. I don't have the link off hand but it didn't come frome Walker you twit. Sheesh, are you really that stupid?
And back to the point anyway - I didn't say he won all the counties outside of Madison, nor did I suggest it. However, if you look at the votes outside of Madison it holds true. In this election though you have a GOV'T UNION issue - do you really think that Madison(the state capital and where a massive amount of gov't worker live) wouldn't turn out? So again, outside of Madison - Prosser did better overall than Walker did last fall. So this claim that there was a mass turn against Republicans is nothing but BS.

Might want to stop trying to compare the results of a close governor's election with those of one where the incumbent is favored by 20-30 points.

Then again, it is sort of fun to watch you keep crapping your pants.

I changed my mind, continue flailing CAD! Continue!

 

[First]

lmao. CAD is such great entertainment. What a turd.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Might want to stop trying to compare the results of a close governor's election with those of one where the incumbent is favored by 20-30 points.

Then again, it is sort of fun to watch you keep crapping your pants.

I changed my mind, continue flailing CAD! Continue!

Uh, you twits can keep trying to trot out the leftist talking points about "favored" and "points" but it just shows you don't understand what happened. It wasn't about the candidates - the game shifted so trying to make claims like that shows you don't understand political context.

The only ones with shit all over themselves are those on the left who just knew they were going to "get" Walker by voting out Prosser.

Flailing is what you on the left are doing about wisconsin. It's been hilarious and yet I'm trying to help you by showing you the reality of it all but meh - keep living in your little bubble.

 

[fskimospy]

Uh, you twits can keep trying to trot out the leftist talking points about "favored" and "points" but it just shows you don't understand what happened. It wasn't about the candidates - the game shifted so trying to make claims like that shows you don't understand political context.

The only ones with shit all over themselves are those on the left who just knew they were going to "get" Walker by voting out Prosser.

Flailing is what you on the left are doing about wisconsin. It's been hilarious and yet I'm trying to help you by showing you the reality of it all but meh - keep living in your little bubble.

You can just see the spittle flying out all over his monitor. Classic.

 

[Bowfinger]

Oh I've read it, it was just dumb and pathetic attempts at rationalization.

We need to be clear on something,CAD. I'm not looking to debate you, I'm only looking to make fun of you. You proved long ago that you don't actually give a shit what people write, and so I'm returning the courtesy.

Indeed. He's great for entertainment, but look elsewhere if you seek productive, reasoned discussion.

In this story, he dismisses a 25 point swing as somehow insignificant since it wasn't even bigger. What a hopeless partisan like Sir Cad can't grasp is there are many people -- myself included -- who think the judiciary is far too important to be tainted by petty politics. As much as I think Walker is sleaze, I probably would still have voted for Prosser.

The only reason I would vote against him is IF he had a history of corruption, incompetence, or specific, significant examples of partisan bias. The (R) after his name is irrelevant. I think it was wrong for Wisconsin Democrats to politicize this election, just as I think it was wrong for the Iowa religious fringe to politicize the retention votes here. A politicized judiciary is a failed judiciary.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

You can just see the spittle flying out all over his monitor. Classic.

lol, if by spittle you mean laughter - then yes.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Indeed. He's great for entertainment, but look elsewhere if you seek productive, reasoned discussion.

In this story, he dismisses a 25 point swing as somehow insignificant since it wasn't even bigger. What a hopeless partisan like Sir Cad can't grasp is there are many people -- myself included -- who think the judiciary is far too important to be tainted by petty politics. As much as I think Walker is sleaze, I probably would still have voted for Prosser.

The only reason I would vote against him is IF he had a history of corruption, incompetence, or specific, significant examples of partisan bias. The (R) after his name is irrelevant. I think it was wrong for Wisconsin Democrats to politicize this election, just as I think it was wrong for the Iowa religious fringe to politicize the retention votes here. A politicized judiciary is a failed judiciary.

Again, an ignorant moron pops up and tries to claim I said something I didn't.

If you would have read, I stated it was odd and it likely wasn't the best way to do it, but since you have a habbit of not reading, it's no wonder you make claims about me not grasping something we actually would agree on.

The 25 point swing was brought up by someone else with the attempt to claim it was outstanding or some such nonsense. And it would have been if the game hadn't changed between the primary and the actual election(a normal election) but in this case outside issues came to bear on this election and it was no longer about the candidates. So while you and others want to try to make this about point numbers - it's irrelevant because the context of the situation changed. The expectations changed, the narrative changed, everything changed and yet some want to claim it was some awesome comeback.

I'm sure you or others will try to come in here yapping some more but it doesn't change reality, nor does it change the fact that it's hilarious how naive and funny you guys are.

 

[CrackRabbit]

while we're at it can we tell the republicans to stop too?

Not in Spidey's World.

 

[Michael]

I'm really waiting until the final count is certified to be more sure, but right now it looks like the left defined this as a referendum on the "anti-union" bill that was passed, put a major effort into defeating a candidate, and lost.

I think the whole discussion on how much ground their candidate made up is deflection. Cut and dried, they went to the voters of Wisconsin using anti-Walker and the bill he signed as the theme and lost. what difference that will make next election, all we can do is guess at this point.

Michael

 

[spidey07]

while we're at it can we tell the republicans to stop too?

Welcome to Tea Party Patriots.

 

[First]

Again, an ignorant moron pops up and tries to claim I said something I didn't.

If you would have read, I stated it was odd and it likely wasn't the best way to do it, but since you have a habbit of not reading, it's no wonder you make claims about me not grasping something we actually would agree on.

The 25 point swing was brought up by someone else with the attempt to claim it was outstanding or some such nonsense. And it would have been if the game hadn't changed between the primary and the actual election(a normal election) but in this case outside issues came to bear on this election and it was no longer about the candidates. So while you and others want to try to make this about point numbers - it's irrelevant because the context of the situation changed. The expectations changed, the narrative changed, everything changed and yet some want to claim it was some awesome comeback.

I'm sure you or others will try to come in here yapping some more but it doesn't change reality, nor does it change the fact that it's hilarious how naive and funny you guys are.

lmao. The circumstances changing is something everyone here is aware of. "Circumstances changing" is what happens during movements, revolutions or just plain old swings in voter sentiment. 25 points is an impressive referendum on Walker's unpopular union busting, turd.

 

[cubby1223]

lmao. The circumstances changing is something everyone here is aware of. "Circumstances changing" is what happens during movements, revolutions or just plain old swings in voter sentiment. 25 points is an impressive referendum on Walker's unpopular union busting, turd.

Last I checked, Walker is not busting unions.

And last time I checked, this is not a movement, a revolution, or a swing in voter sentiment. Let's take the populist view here - the first polling done was Prossler versus Kloppenburg, while the vote was for or against Walker's "union busting". Then the "25 point swing" is from comparing two different things.

 

[Corn]

If I understand his lying correctly, his argument is that because the union-busting measure is supposed to have created strong public opposition to the Republicans, the fact the election is close proves that wrong, so the unions look bad. In fact, sex weeks ago the liberal in the race got 25% of the vote in primary compared to Prosser's 55%, and it being a close race is a huge shift in voters against Republicans.

Talk about lying, you take the cake by pretending that Kloppenberg was the only liberal running against Prosser in the Primary. As far as I understand, Prosser was the only conservative running in the primary election. http://www.isthmus.com/isthmus/article.php?article=32182

Therefore, when comparing Prosser's numbers against liberals in the primary election, he was 55% vs 45%. The liberal candidate did gain some ground on him in the general election, but as ususal, you can't help but lie lie and lie some more in your commentary.

Truth234

 

[Craig234]

Last I checked, Walker is not busting unions.

Right. And last you checked, Republicans aren't for lowering taxes on the rich, and Fox isn't for the right-wing agenda. Bees aren't for flowers, and birds are anti-worm.

And last time I checked, this is not a movement, a revolution, or a swing in voter sentiment. Let's take the populist view here - the first polling done was Prossler versus Kloppenburg, while the vote was for or against Walker's "union busting". Then the "25 point swing" is from comparing two different things.

Yes, that's our point.

When this was Prossler versus Kloppenburg without the union busting issue, the incumbent Prossler was far ahead with a 55-25 (30 point, not 25, not 20, lead).

But within a short six weeks, the only relevant changes being the union-busting agenda Prossler was linked to with Walker, and enormous increases in funding most of which went to *Prossler*, the 30 point lead turned into about zero points despite his financial advantage for one reason - because voters *were opposing the union busting agenda*.

You don't get it. That's our point - that this was about the public's shift in opinion against the union-busting agenda. You try to refute that by saying the same point.

He still has advantages, from the incumbency to funding, which is why he had an overwhelming lead six weeks ago, and that meant this wasn't only a referendum on union busting and he still got half the vote. But the fact is the public shifted 30 points in the anti-union-busting direction despite his corporate funding advantage.

How does that 30 point shift look for the Republican recall election for those who won by less than 10 percent margins?

 

[Corn]

When this was Prossler versus Kloppenburg without the union busting issue, the incumbent Prossler was far ahead with a 55-25 (30 point, not 25, not 20, lead).

You still don't get it. Once again, it was Prosser versus 3 liberal candidates in the primary election. The conservative candidate received 55% of the votes, the liberal candidates received 45% of the votes. When comparing Prosser versus liberal candidates, Prosser did not have a 30 point, not 25, not 20, but a 10 point lead.

Truth234

 

[CADsortaGUY]

No one posted the after canvas results?

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/119938614.html

Prosser by 7613

 

[spidey07]

No one posted the after canvas results?

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/119938614.html

Prosser by 7613

Liberals can't fathom why people don't succumb to their will.

This small vote tells all about what people want. After all the union money, all the air time, they are on the wrong side of history.

 

[JSt0rm]

Whats this thread about? Neocon activist judges?

 

[Jhhnn]

Liberals can't fathom why people don't succumb to their will.

This small vote tells all about what people want. After all the union money, all the air time, they are on the wrong side of history.

Keep tellin' yourself that. It's an off cycle election, won by less than .5% of the votes cast, with less than half of eligible voters actually doing so.

If you think this confirms what you believe, you really are delusional.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Keep tellin' yourself that. It's an off cycle election, won by less than .5% of the votes cast, with less than half of eligible voters actually doing so.

If you think this confirms what you believe, you really are delusional.

It was an off cycle election with several important high profile races in Milwaukee and Dane counties, the most populated in the state and also the most Democratic. Combine that with tons of union money, the unpopularity of Walker, and the usual vote fraud from the left, its pretty amazing that Prosser won. If the Democrats can't win given this perfect storm, I'm not sure they will win for quite some time.

 

[Red Dawn]

It was an off cycle election with several important high profile races in Milwaukee and Dane counties, the most populated in the state and also the most Democratic. Combine that with tons of union money, the unpopularity of Walker, and the usual vote fraud from the left, its pretty amazing that Prosser won. If the Democrats can't win given this perfect storm, I'm not sure they will win for quite some time.

You might be right, we'll just have to see.