Wisconsin Judge race

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That is the point. The situation changed from where an election that should have been a walk in the park turned competitive without the candidates doing anything. If you are a Democrat, you want to keep these sentiments going into 2012.

Sure, if you are a leftist you want it to keep going but if you read what I've posted - it probably won't help. Also, "impressive" isn't valid when the game changes like that.
 

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CallMeJoe

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One thing confuses me; I saw an interview with the County Clerk, and she said this was data entered into an Access database but not saved... since when is data "saved" into Access? Structural changes must be saved, and deletion of entire records must be confirmed (with a dialog that will not allow you to proceed without clicking) but data entry into Access, IIRC, has always been live.

Have the most recent versions of Access changed this much, or is there something odd here?
 

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One thing confuses me; I saw an interview with the County Clerk, and she said this was data entered into an Access database but not saved... since when is data "saved" into Access? Structural changes must be saved, and deletion of entire records must be confirmed (with a dialog that will not allow you to proceed without clicking) but data entry into Access, IIRC, has always been live.

Have the most recent versions of Access changed this much, or is there something odd here?

http://www.jsonline.com/general/377...aIT6rTqyyEHVUdSjL5KQ9h61sv&bctid=895391546001

start at 11:30 or watch the whole thing
 

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Lifer
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WTF does FOX have to do with anything. The WHOLE media was all over this story and at times misrepresenting it as an attack on worker or on teachers. But that's a different thread.

Your random, unrelated comments are cute but a transparent attempt to deflect.

There is no number that would be impressive FROM HER because SHE didn't do anything to make up the ground(you keep tossing out 25 but I don't see how you can but it's besides the point) What "made up ground" was the fact that the situation in Wisconsin changed. Not because of her mind you - it was in spite of her. People weren't voting FOR HER, they were supposedly against Prosser as a way to get to Walker.

No post of mine has claimed Kloppenberg's surge was due to her merit as a candidate for the court. I've consistently claimed it has been because of the union protests. It's pretty sad you still don't know what's being argued after several pages.

The Wisconsin left and the unions were confident they were going to trounce Prosser(since the game had changed) and they FAILED.

Pretty much no one was expecting Kloppenberg to make up 25+ points. Sorry kiddo, you're just bad at this politics stuff.

They FAILED even if she'd have won because they didn't trounce Prosser and did worse outside of Madison then they did last fall. Try thinking for once.

lmao.
 

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Lifer
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Dear fellow MoveOn member,

I'm writing to you from Wisconsin, ground zero in the fight between Republicans and the middle class, where we just had a HUGE win!
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I'm literally breathless. I'm witnessing history. Incumbent candidates for the Wisconsin Supreme Court generally get re-elected in a landslide. But in the general election on Tuesday, progressive JoAnne Kloppenburg closed the gap and won by a razor thin margin against conservative justice David Prosser!

The result was extremely close, and there's still a recount to grapple with, but this is a HUGE change from the primary where she lost 25% to 55% to conservative Justice David Prosser before Walker's attacks on workers began. And it's proof that the grassroots army that formed to battle Governor Scott Walker is a force to be reckoned with.

Tuesday night, all of us volunteers sat around the Kloppenburg office, right next to the Wisconsin 14, and watched these historic returns come in together.

And I knew it was happening because thousands of us MoveOn members, along with our friends and allies, voted, volunteered, knocked doors, hit the phones, and got out the vote through our emails, posts and tweets. We're a part of this, but now we need to make sure what happened in Wisconsin doesn't stay in Wisconsin.

The Republicans in Washington are copying Walker's radical "my way or the highway" tactics, threatening to shutdown the government in order to force the Democrats to cave on the budget. They're willing to harm countless Americans in order to impose their agenda on the rest of us.

But MoveOn is fighting back, just like we are in Wisconsin. They're planning a huge nationwide campaign, capturing the energy from our victory to win this massive battle for our nation's future against the Republicans' plans to destroy decades of progressive legislation, including our entire social safety net.

Can you help stop the Republicans by chipping in $5 right now?

I read a quote the other day from the Tea Party Express, and while I wouldn't normally agree with them, they could not be more right about the stakes in this election:

"If...liberal Joanne Kloppenburg wins, then Barack Obama and his union...allies will have won...If conservative Justice David Prosser wins, then Gov. Scott Walker and the tea party movement will have won in Wisconsin. The stakes could not be higher."1

The result of this election will have an important impact right here in Wisconsin on the battle to protect workers' rights. But a Kloppenburg victory is also sending a message nationally that Americans are rejecting the radical right-wing Republican agenda sweeping across other states and our federal government.

I need your help to keep the momentum going. We're doing great here in Wisconsin, but MoveOn needs your support to make sure the growing grassroots movement to protect the American Dream doesn't stall at our state's border.

They need to raise $215,000 today to do it—for ads, field mobilizations, and polling. Can you help?

Click below to chip in $5:

https://pol.moveon.org/donate/wicourtwin.html?bg_id=hpc5&id=26839-18242158-cEsAHwx&t=5

Thank you for all that you're doing.
–Steve Hughes

Opps :whiste:


LMAO!!!!:biggrin:
 

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Lifer
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Your random, unrelated comments are cute but a transparent attempt to deflect.



No post of mine has claimed Kloppenberg's surge was due to her merit as a candidate for the court. I've consistently claimed it has been because of the union protests. It's pretty sad you still don't know what's being argued after several pages.



Pretty much no one was expecting Kloppenberg to make up 25+ points. Sorry kiddo, you're just bad at this politics stuff.



lmao.

You brought up FOX.

Uh, I've been consistent since starting this thread - it seems you need to keep up with things.

No shit you moron - however, no one expected the tantrum the leftists and union thugs threw either which CHANGED THE WHOLE GAME IN WISCONSIN. So again, the point spread means NOTHING - it's a whole different ballgame than the primary so you can't compare them and make any claims about a "turn around".
 

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http://www.jsonline.com/general/377...aIT6rTqyyEHVUdSjL5KQ9h61sv&bctid=895391546001

Press Conference about the vote totals. Yep, if you watch you'll see that a DEMOCRAT who helped tabulate the votes confirms the totals are correct. I guess I should say EX-Democrat since they will likely be the target of much hate mail.

OH MY GOD IT MUST BE VOTER FRAUD. THE REASON I KNOW IT'S VOTER FRAUD IS THAT I DIDN'T GET THE ELECTORAL RESULT I WANTED.

How's my CAD impression, guys?
 

fskimospy

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Your girl lost, LOL

I didn't even know this race existed until this thread, and I sincerely doubt the outcome would actually affect the status of the Wisconson law regardless of which way it went. I couldn't care less.

Keep reaching for that rainbow though Nick. Are we frontal loving yet?
 

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I didn't even know this race existed until this thread, and I sincerely doubt the outcome would actually affect the status of the Wisconson law regardless of which way it went. I couldn't care less.

Keep reaching for that rainbow


I just imagined him as the double rainbow guy...gah...
 

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http://www.jsonline.com/general/377...aIT6rTqyyEHVUdSjL5KQ9h61sv&bctid=895391546001

Press Conference about the vote totals. Yep, if you watch you'll see that a DEMOCRAT who helped tabulate the votes confirms the totals are correct. I guess I should say EX-Democrat since they will likely be the target of much hate mail.

As someone who is both a DBA and has delt with Access, what she said was totally straight forward. The database was probably designed to import the results spreadsheet into a temporary table. The user is then required to verify the the data is ok and they then run a function (usually mapped to a submit button) to import the data from the temp/import table into the actually live data. You never import outside data into a production table, you always go through a intermediary table.
 

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Lifer
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You brought up FOX.

Uh, I've been consistent since starting this thread - it seems you need to keep up with things.

No shit you moron - however, no one expected the tantrum the leftists and union thugs threw either which CHANGED THE WHOLE GAME IN WISCONSIN. So again, the point spread means NOTHING - it's a whole different ballgame than the primary so you can't compare them and make any claims about a "turn around".

The main difference is that Wisconsin voters saw Walker's union busting and propped up Kloppenberg by 25 points despite her widely expected to lose big. I feel bad for you that you still can't grasp this extraordinarily simple concept and that you continue to claim that people were expecting her to trounce the incumbent or that it's not comparable to the primary, both of which are claims you couldn't defend or cite evidence for if your life depended on it and everyone sane here knows it.
 

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As someone who is both a DBA and has delt with Access, what she said was totally straight forward. The database was probably designed to import the results spreadsheet into a temporary table. The user is then required to verify the the data is ok and they then run a function (usually mapped to a submit button) to import the data from the temp/import table into the actually live data. You never import outside data into a production table, you always go through a intermediary table.

I think the most disturbing fact is they are using Excel templates and Access to tabulate votes.

This is 2011 not 1994.
 

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Let's clear up a couple things and correct the right's lies.

Back in the primary, when Prosser and her took the top two spots, he, the incumbent, won 55% to her 25%.

I don't recall clearly when that was but it might have been six weeks ago.

That less-than-half margin of her 25 to his 55 has now changed to her getting a very narrow win. That's a *huge* change showing a change in voter opinion.

I oppose judicial elections, but on this one, the fact is, the right-wing Prosser outspent her near 2 to 1 - somewhere close to 2.3 million to her 1.4 million.

He got big donations from out of state right-wing interests- in particular the Kock brothers, masking their donations.

That's terrible that these interests can pour money into campaigns this way.
 

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in particular the Kock brothers, masking their donations.

Proof or STFU with your lies, troll.

There's no doubt the tantrums and lies perpetuated by the media have helped the left in WI, but that's the price that has to be paid to do what needs to get done in the long run. The unions thugs and media alliance still failed to accomplish their goals, and in the long run, that's a win for everyone.
 

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He got big donations from out of state right-wing interests- in particular the Kock brothers, masking their donations.

That's terrible that these interests can pour money into campaigns this way.

Last I read she out spent him 3 to 1:whiste:
 

Fear No Evil

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I think the most disturbing fact is they are using Excel templates and Access to tabulate votes.

This is 2011 not 1994.

Why does it shock you? EXCEL and Access are still widely used in business. Hell, I've seen Excel spreadsheets for some companies than contain CRITICAL business data. This is a city of like 36,000 people.