Wisconsin court upholds voter ID law

[Bitek]

I'm glad you got the fraud proportion right. When it gets to votes maybe you will have a case.

Can the GOP put together an honest cost/benefit for voter ID? Show the benefits actually outweigh the actual and real costs to democracy.

I ask because they haven't, and likely can't.

This is the new Gay Marriage for the GOP. They can't articulate a clear position other than veiled bigotry, and consequently get their asses handed to the them by the courts.

the supreme court already said voter id is ok.

once again the libs will lose on this issue.

You can't make a clear argument for this, and this is why this is a loser issue. What do you get for arguments? Statements like this:

moonie, when you were growing up did your mommy tell you you could not eat cookies for dinner? That you had to eat something besides sweets? How terrible it must have been to have parents who tried to look after your well being.

That is how the government is with the people.

Voter id laws apply equally to everyone. So therefor it is not bigotry.

Gibberish and nonsense. Why? Why do we need this? The current system is effective and these "fixes" result in needless red tape and disenfranchisement.

There will be a few victories here and there, but like gay marriage, the central argument is flawed and will lose in the long run. Whatever laws remain will only survive if they are of so little impact, so the conservative agenda off selective disenfranchisement is defeated regardless.

 

[Texashiker]

Whatever laws remain will only survive if they are of so little impact, so the conservative agenda off selective disenfranchisement is defeated regardless.

You admit the liberal agenda is chaos?

No laws, do what you want, when you want and no questions asked.

So what if you drive 100 mph through a school zone. Kids need to stay out of your way.

 

[CitizenKain]

woo hoo. democrats rejoice, now they can buy more vote with cigs, load up buses, tell people how to vote, and get then same day registered by vouching for them.

oh and they'll be out in full force slashing tires of their opponents.

Boy howdy it must be really upsetting for you to so someone other then white people voting.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

the supreme court already said voter id is ok.

once again the libs will lose on this issue.

Then why did that same Supreme Court block this law last night?

 

[xBiffx]

Then why did that same Supreme Court block this law last night?

Because elections are too close and there is no possible way to implement the law without mass confusion before then?

 

[Oldgamer]

I find this interesting Courts Strike Down Voter ID Laws in Wisconsin and Texas

On the one hand the SC reversed a federal courts decision to lift such voter restrictions in N. Carolina S.C. reverses federal courts decision and reinstates voter ID and restrictions and the S.C. upheld the voter ID restrictions etc. in Kansas and Tennessee (also included was to restrict voting days at polls and same day registration and voting). To me this shows a huge conflict within the Supreme Court. We have activists judges on both sides and they are pushing and pulling both ways. Not that I am in favor of these ridiculous laws, because we all know why there has been a big push to enact them in the first place. GAO Study Finds Voter ID Laws Reduced Turnout in Tennessee, Kansas

 

[Oldgamer]

Because elections are too close and there is no possible way to implement the law without mass confusion before then?

What are we like 30 some odd days away from the elections? The out of state registration forms have already been sent out, and that would have meant that hundreds of thousands of voters who sent in their out of state registration forms would show up at the polls and find out they couldn't vote. In addition we are past the deadline for changing things now and giving legal registered voters a chance to get what they need to vote.

 

[Texashiker]

I Not that I am in favor of these ridiculous laws, because we all know why there has been a big push to enact them in the first place. GAO Study Finds Voter ID Laws Reduced Turnout in Tennessee, Kansas

From your link,

Participation fell disproportionately further among voters age 23 and younger, voters who had been registered for less than one year, and African-American voters, the study found.

In other words groups who may not be keeping up with new laws.

If someone has not been paying attention to the laws being passed they should not be voting. Pay attention to what your government is doing.

Is it "really" that difficult to keep up with the laws so you can vote?

 

[bshole]

From your link,
In other words groups who may not be keeping up with new laws.

If someone has not been paying attention to the laws being passed they should not be voting. Pay attention to what your government is doing.

Is it "really" that difficult to keep up with the laws so you can vote?

In other words, it supresses the exact votes that the Republicans wanted to supress. I always accuse them of idiocy but this was actually quite intelligent of them..... if not more than a bit EVIL.

 

[michal1980]

In other words, it supresses the exact votes that the Republicans wanted to supress. I always accuse them of idiocy but this was actually quite intelligent of them..... if not more than a bit EVIL.

no just says that the left is lazy.

 

[michal1980]

Then why did that same Supreme Court block this law last night?

because of how close its to the election.

 

[Texashiker]

if not more than a bit EVIL.

The left would have us believe ignorance of the law is a valid excuse.

There is nothing evil in asking members of a republic to understand and follow the law.

 

[MrPickins]

moonie, when you were growing up did your mommy tell you you could not eat cookies for dinner? That you had to eat something besides sweets? How terrible it must have been to have parents who tried to look after your well being.

That is how the government is with the people.

My government is not my parents, and it does not know what is best for me.

Frankly, this attitude scares me.

 

[Texashiker]

My government is not my parents, and it does not know what is best for me.

Really? I bet you are not complaining about safe drinking water, vaccines, sanitation,,,?

Please address the question, is it too much to ask for citizens of a republic to understand and follow the law?

 

[CitizenKain]

From your link,



In other words groups who may not be keeping up with new laws.

If someone has not been paying attention to the laws being passed they should not be voting. Pay attention to what your government is doing.

Is it "really" that difficult to keep up with the laws so you can vote?

Do you know every single law in effect where you live? Can you recite your local county's election laws?
Republicans really want to restrict voting to a single category: A white, male, christian landowner.

 

[michal1980]

Do you know every single law in effect where you live? Can you recite your local county's election laws?
Republicans really want to restrict voting to a single category: A white, male, christian landowner.

why are you on the left so afraid of a little id? some brain defect right?

And if you think that's what republicans want, then all democrats & liberals want communism.

 

[Texashiker]

Do you know every single law in effect where you live? Can you recite your local county's election laws?
Republicans really want to restrict voting to a single category: A white, male, christian landowner.

When it comes to exercising my rights, it is my duty to know the law.

If I want to buy a gun, I am expected to follow certain laws. I can not walk into a gun store and buy a gun with no id and no background check.

If I want to carry my gun, I have to file for a permit, have to go through a training class, have to go through a certain process to exercise my rights.

If I want to keep my right to vote I can not commit a felony.

So yes, rights can be regulated and restricted.

 

[DCal430]

I find this interesting Courts Strike Down Voter ID Laws in Wisconsin and Texas

On the one hand the SC reversed a federal courts decision to lift such voter restrictions in N. Carolina S.C. reverses federal courts decision and reinstates voter ID and restrictions and the S.C. upheld the voter ID restrictions etc. in Kansas and Tennessee (also included was to restrict voting days at polls and same day registration and voting). To me this shows a huge conflict within the Supreme Court. We have activists judges on both sides and they are pushing and pulling both ways. Not that I am in favor of these ridiculous laws, because we all know why there has been a big push to enact them in the first place. GAO Study Finds Voter ID Laws Reduced Turnout in Tennessee, Kansas

Actually the SC law on ID doesn't start until 2016. The provisions that start in this 2014 election are already affective for most non VRA states. If things like early voting, out of precinct voting are important why don't non VRA states do them.

I am fairly left leaning, but I don't get why if these things are important don't non VRA comply with them.

 

[theeedude]

All Republican panel, going to be appealed.

Told ya.

 

[CitizenKain]

why are you on the left so afraid of a little id? some brain defect right?

And if you think that's what republicans want, then all democrats & liberals want communism.

Why do you seek to disenfranchise thousands of people for no reason? Beyond those people are smart enough to not vote R.

When it comes to exercising my rights, it is my duty to know the law.

If I want to buy a gun, I am expected to follow certain laws. I can not walk into a gun store and buy a gun with no id and no background check.

If I want to carry my gun, I have to file for a permit, have to go through a training class, have to go through a certain process to exercise my rights.

If I want to keep my right to vote I can not commit a felony.

So yes, rights can be regulated and restricted.

So you can't, got it. Then you shouldn't vote.

 

[lopri]

Let's say 10 people get together, each with a different polling station. They go to a station. The first person walks in gives his real name and looks at the list to find someone registered who hasn't checked in. He goes outside and reports the name. Second person walks in and gives the fake name, looks for another empty, repeat and rinse until all 10 people have voted. Then they go to the second station, rinse and repeat. That's 100 votes, 90 which are illegal. If the real people show up, they have to fill out provisional ballots and have been disenfranchise.

I sincerely urge you to try that out yourself and report to authority (and to us) if you are able to pull that off. It shouldn't be too difficult, right?

 

[Cozarkian]

I sincerely urge you to try that out yourself and report to authority (and to us) if you are able to pull that off. It shouldn't be too difficult, right?

No way in hell. I believe in the integrity of the system. That's why I want the law in the first place. I'm not going to destroy the very thing I'm trying to protect.

 

[fskimospy]

No way in hell. I believe in the integrity of the system. That's why I want the law in the first place. I'm not going to destroy the very thing I'm trying to protect.

It is interesting the contortions you need to go through in order to concoct your voter fraud scenarios.

It's even more interesting that you think these outlandish scenarios represent a greater threat to the integrity of the system than the mass disenfranchisement of legitimate voters.

Oh wait, no it isn't. Those voters are the wrong type of voters.

 

[CitizenKain]

No way in hell. I believe in the integrity of the system. That's why I want the law in the first place. I'm not going to destroy the very thing I'm trying to protect.

No you don't. If you believed in the integrity of the system you wouldn't be pushing for a way to limit voting by others.

Instead you are just another dishonest rightwinger like all the others.

 

[Cozarkian]

It is interesting the contortions you need to go through in order to concoct your voter fraud scenarios.

Not really. According to the courts that strike down the laws, impersonation fraud is very rare, not non-existent. You want a simple example? My neighbor is registered to vote but doesn't any more. I could easily stop by the polling place in the morning to vote for myself and return at night to vote again.

It's even more interesting that you think these outlandish scenarios represent a greater threat to the integrity of the system than the mass disenfranchisement of legitimate voters.

Again, a properly tailored law has zero disenfranchisement. The only potential problem is people who don't have IDs and a proper law solves that problem.

Oh wait, no it isn't. Those voters are the wrong type of voters.

Not my goal. In fact, if you've been paying attention, I'm actually advocating to help people get IDs so they can vote, not trying to prevent them from voting. That's right, I'm trying to help the people you claim I'm trying to disenfranchise. Why aren't liberals trying to help them? Is it because they want to have a perpetually poor class of puppets to vote them into power?