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Wireless router questions

imported_BigPerm

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I did a search, and no luck at Linksys', HardOCP, or these forums 🙁 I hope someone can help.

Just a quick background on myself, I've worked in IT professionally for about 10 years. Not always with networking but I know my way around relatively well. Just recently have decided to jump into a wireless connection as the need has come up for me.

On to the problem:

I've been using a run-of-the-mill home broadband router/switch by linksys for a few years (model: BEFSR41). Always been very reliable, easy to setup, use, etc. Recently I've had a need to use my notebook in my new place in various rooms, so I decided to try a wireless router.

I picked up a Linksys wireless router (model: WRT54GS) (it's the 804.11g with "speedbooster" technology using firmware version: 3.17.4). I'm usually very anal about making any changes to my system, so I do things very methodically. I decided the best way to replace this router was to first not even worry about the wireless portion of the network at first. So I essentially just replaced my old router with my new one. Just unplugged the 4 ethernet ports and plugged them all in the new router. The 4 ethernet ports go to the following:

1) Goes directly to the cable modem (plugged into the "WAN" port on the router)
2) Goes directly to my main PC
3) Goes directly to my secondary PC
4) Goes directly to my print server

Logic tells me that the network remains unchanged. All ethernet ports all plugged into a 10/100 switch/router. So I went to dslreports and ran a speed test. Download speed was 3mpbs, which is just like normal. I played around on the internet just for a bit to make sure everything was working fine, and everything seemed perfect. Things were going great so far!

Then I decide to go ahead and enable the wireless portion of the router's software. When you click on the main "Wireless" heading in the software, you end up at "Basic Wireless Settings." The main setting on that page is "Wireless Network Mode" which is essentially where you choose if you want the router to use Wireless networking (you can choose G, B, or Mixed - ie both modes) or you can choose to disable the wireless portion of the router altogether. Up to this point I had this set to "disabled" which means the wireless portion wasn't even turned on.

I then turned wireless mode on by selecting Mixed on the option menu. I wasn't concerned about security or anything at this point, so I just left everything else default. Now that wireless mode was enabled I decided to ensure my connection was still working. I surfed the internet, everything seemed fine. I then did another broadband test, and my download speed was now only ~500kbps. Less than 1/6th of the speed I had before.

I figured that something was wrong with dslreports so I decided to try to duplicate the results on another site. I hit two more broadband test sites and confirmed my suspicion. My bandwidth was cut off tremendously when wireless mode was enabled on the router. If I disabled wireless mode on the router, I instantly received all of my bandwidth back. If I enable wireless mode, down the bandwidth goes immediately. I can reproduce it every time on any broadband test site.

A few things to note:

* I started off with version 2.07.xx (something) on the router, I went to linksys' site and retrieved the latest version from them which is 3.17.4. This changed nothing regarding my problem.

* I have tried configuring my wireless network card on my laptop, but was having other issues. This introduced a lot of other factors I didn't want to deal with yet, so I've put that to the side. For this post's purposes, just know that the wireless network did seem to work, although how much bandwidth I had via wireless card is not determined yet.

* I'm using static ip's for all of my network devices that are currently plugged into the router/switch via ethernet. I'm dictating the ip address to the router, the dns/gateway, etc.

That's pretty much it, I should be able to answer any questions you guys can come up with. Any help is much appreciated!

Thank you,
Mike
 
did u load defaults and reset router after bios upgrade? thats odd, i have the same router, i never had the wireless ddisabled from what i remember,it detaults at mixed right? i also had the bef41 whatever wired router before..i tossed it aside for the gs.

i now use the sveasoft open source firmware, u can find info on it in hotdeals forums if u run a search on linksys. i only did it for the extra features though, the router worked fine with the old bios. when reseting, hold the reset button down for like 15 seconds, then unplug and wait and replug.......

 
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
did u load defaults and reset router after bios upgrade? thats odd, i have the same router, i never had the wireless ddisabled from what i remember,it detaults at mixed right? i also had the bef41 whatever wired router before..i tossed it aside for the gs.

i now use the sveasoft open source firmware, u can find info on it in hotdeals forums if u run a search on linksys. i only did it for the extra features though, the router worked fine with the old bios. when reseting, hold the reset button down for like 15 seconds, then unplug and wait and replug.......

Ditto on that.
Make sure you did a hard reset, I often forget too.
Forgot to mention have you tried moving the router? Have you tried changing your signal?
Did you do a google?


Plenty of ideas
 
For 0roo0roo:
As far as loading "defaults" on the router upgrade, no I didn't do a hard reset after the firmware upgrade. However, I had the same problem before and after the router firmware upgrade. I haven't done a hard physical reset of the router, but I can try that.

Also, you are correct when you assume that the wireless mode does default to "mixed" mode (wired and wireless both).

I may use an opensource firmware at some point, but I'd sure like to get it working the way it is first! 🙂

For Oakenfold:
1) I will do a hard reset tonight, although I'm skeptical of course because I've had the same issue since I've taken it out of the box, regardless of firmware version.
2) Tried moving the router where? I'm in wired mode with this problem, so physical location is irrelevant.
3) Yes, I did google on this. I didn't use your particular combination of words, but I'll certainly dig through those links as well. I did a search on linksys forums, hardocp, and anandtech.

Thanks for the replies guys,
Mike
 
routers get fiddly.. u gotta hard reset them sometimes. more often then not it solves the problem. i have had the thing run slow for no reason, that was back with the old bios. solved with hard reset, hold that button down for 15seconds atleast. the sveasoft hasn't given me trouble since i installed it errrr over a month ago.
 
What you are suggesting is that this router needed a hard reset from the moment it came out of the wrapper. I don't buy it (yet), but I will certainly give it a try. I'm open to anything at this point!
 
So you are in mixed mode but not using any wireless nic's?
You stated that you changed FW, I would suggest doing a hard after any FW update.

I'll goof around and see what happens when i change my wrt54gs settings to see if i can recreate what you are referring to, however I'm currently running sveasoft FW.

 
Correct. I have a wireless NIC, but I'm just not adding that into the equation at the moment. If I'm in "mixed" mode my download bandwidth is horrible. If I disable wireless mode altogether, everything works fine.

I'm going to do a hard reset of the router tonight. If that fixes it I'll be surprised (as I've mentioned) 🙂 as the router has been doing this since I've unwrapped it from the box and over numerous versions of firmware now. I'll keep my fingers crossed though, hehe.
 
Originally posted by: BigPerm
Another update, I've tried the hyperwrt and the Satori firmware (sveasoft's). The latest versions, same problem.

Wow, odd indeed.
I still haven't had a chance to try to see what speed differences I get by toying with my router as CCNA 2 is kicking my tail, at this point I would be ready to exchange the item.


Okay I goofed around real quick.
Used DLSreports because it's all I had time to atm, Used the Megapath Ca, USA server. I have 2 nic's in my main machine one wireless and one onboard 10/100 pci.



Wireless G mode
2004-11-03 19:03:34 EST: 622 / 163
Your download speed : 637109 bps, or 622 kbps.
A 77.7 KB/sec transfer rate.
Your upload speed : 167508 bps, or 163 kbps.

Wired Mode
2004-11-03 19:01:42 EST: 672 / 157
Your download speed : 688267 bps, or 672 kbps.
A 84 KB/sec transfer rate.
Your upload speed : 161561 bps, or 157 kbps.

Mixed Mode
2004-11-03 18:59:33 EST: 702 / 163
Your download speed : 719023 bps, or 702 kbps.
A 87.7 KB/sec transfer rate.
Your upload speed : 167508 bps, or 163 kbps


 
I'm assuming you have dsl which is capped at 768k then? Just wondering, because your numbers at this point don't really show me anything, other than your speeds didn't change regardless of the wireless mode. Unfortunately your top speeds match my "throttled" speed when I enable wireless mode.
 
Originally posted by: BigPerm
I'm assuming you have dsl which is capped at 768k then? Just wondering, because your numbers at this point don't really show me anything, other than your speeds didn't change regardless of the wireless mode. Unfortunately your top speeds match my "throttled" speed when I enable wireless mode.

Nope just a crummy cable connection that varies throughout the day like any cable connection. Also DSL reports test server DL's can vary from server to server, my DL will increase to 1.5mbs and ul down to 200k when switching to Linkline LA.

The whole point was to show speeds not changing whether I was using wired or wireless mode. I'm assuming when you stated you lost 50% b/w on speed tests or at least I'm reading what you posted as being implied as such.




So I went to dslreports and ran a speed test. Download speed was 3mpbs, which is just like normal. I played around on the internet just for a bit to make sure everything was working fine, and everything seemed perfect. Things were going great so far!

I surfed the internet, everything seemed fine. I then did another broadband test, and my download speed was now only ~500kbps. Less than 1/6th of the speed I had before.

How exactly are you testing your b/w?
 
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