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WinXP OEM vs Retail vs Upgrade?

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Originally posted by: RajunCajun
🙂Well, now I've got a much better understanding of differing various incarnations of XP. But this raises another question??

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When you buy a retail copy of XP, the license is tied to you, not the hardware
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Ok, I understand this to mean RETAIL copies allow me to install XP on ANY computer as often as I want, so long as there's only 1 PC running at a time, without having to activate again, since it's tied to me?

But OEM & DSP are tied to the PC, meaning that if I sold the PC to someone else that copy of XP must go with the PC? If said PC dies, technically speaking the installed XP is suppose to die with it. But if you call MS and explain you've installed new MB they will reactivate it on the new PC.

Correct me if I'm wrong, retail XP once activated for the first time will not need to be reactivated again.

Sidebar - What if said PC is never connected to the net and never will? My next build will probably never get on the net - will use it only for gaming (online gaming doesn't appeal to me) and wordprocessing. Too many other PCs in my house are already on the net.

BTW, thanks for all the input from everyone.


Dennis

Any copy of XP needs to be activated (or re-activated) when it's re-installed. Any copy of XP will also de-activate itself if it detects a certain number/combination of hardware changes within a certain time frame (this prevents you from installing and activating XP once, then ghosting that install to multiple drives/computers).

If your PC is not connected to the net, you will have to call Microsoft up and have them provide you with an activation code. Being offline does not let you avoid activation (if that's what you were thinking).
 
buy the retail. I currently own 5 copies of win xp...2 oem, 2 upgrade, 1 retail...i wish i would have bought retail...i'd only need like 3 instead
 
hi guys im thinking of going oem, but was wondering if it is still possible to install service packs like the retail.
 
Originally posted by: Ironlegion
hi guys im thinking of going oem, but was wondering if it is still possible to install service packs like the retail.

Absolutely. OEM versions are identical to their retail counterparts except for the following:

1. OEM versions do not include support or manuals from Microsoft.
2. OEM versions are tied to the hardware they are sold with. Once you install an OEM version on a PC, it is bound to that PC forever. Retail versions can be uninstalled from one PC and reinstalled on a different PC.
 
ok cool, if is is bound to that pc forever then what happens if you wanna install a new version of windows sometime in the future like longhorn. Sorry if it is a stupid question, but hay someones gotta ask them on behalf of others lol.
 
Originally posted by: Ironlegion
ok cool, if is is bound to that pc forever then what happens if you wanna install a new version of windows sometime in the future like longhorn. Sorry if it is a stupid question, but hay someones gotta ask them on behalf of others lol.

You can upgrade later on, but after you upgrade you can no longer use that original copy of XP on another computer (legally, that is).
 
Originally posted by: Ironlegion
ok cool, if is is bound to that pc forever then what happens if you wanna install a new version of windows sometime in the future like longhorn. Sorry if it is a stupid question, but hay someones gotta ask them on behalf of others lol.

No problem, You can allways upgrade. Just that your old Windows will no longer be good(or so they say 😉 ) And then "Longhorn" will now be tied to your PC.
 
Originally posted by: MrChad
Originally posted by: Ironlegion
hi guys im thinking of going oem, but was wondering if it is still possible to install service packs like the retail.

Absolutely. OEM versions are identical to their retail counterparts except for the following:

1. OEM versions do not include support or manuals from Microsoft.
2. OEM versions are tied to the hardware they are sold with. Once you install an OEM version on a PC, it is bound to that PC forever. Retail versions can be uninstalled from one PC and reinstalled on a different PC.


Bunch o' BS as I see it.. I have done numerous upgrades and changes to my machine and yet still use the same old OEM XP that I allways have. Never fails to get re-activated either (whether by phone or internet). If I were to get software audited, They would see 1 copy of software on 1 machine..Not 1 copy on multiple machines. THAT IS ALL THEY REALLY CARE ABOUT. I know, not legal as per EULA, yada, yada, yada. Think about it realistically.
 
Originally posted by: Navid
After you activate, a record of your system will be stored in a database. If you attempt to activate again on a different hardware with more than 3 items different, you will not be able to activate unless you make a phone call and explain why you are entitled to activate.

I understand that the record will be removed from the database after 4 months. So, if you attempt to activate after 4 months, you will not have any problems even if you activate it on a completely different hardware. But, this does not mean that it is legal! This may be why you were able to activate multiple times with different hardware.

Another possibility is that you did not change more than 3 items.

This is how hardware items are monitored.
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">http://www.microsoft.com/pirac...tivation_faq.mspx
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"Specifically, product activation determines tolerance through a voting mechanism. There are 10 hardware characteristics used in creating the hardware hash. Each characteristic is worth one vote, except the network card which is worth three votes. When thinking of tolerance, it's easiest to think about what has not changed instead of what has changed. When the current hardware hash is compared to the original hardware hash, there must be 7 or more matching points for the two hardware hashes to be considered in tolerance. If the network card is the same, then only 4 additional characteristics must match (because the network card is worth 3, for a total of 7). If the network card is not the same, then a total of 7 characteristics other than the network card must be the same. If the device is a laptop (specifically a dockable device), additional tolerance is allotted and there need be only 4 or more matching points. Therefore, if the device is dockable and the network card is the same, only one other characteristic must be the same for a total vote of 4. If the device is dockable and the network card is not the same, then a total of 4 characteristics other than the network card must be the same".

"The changes are cumulative; however, if a user is asked to reactivate, the hardware profile is reset to that new configuration".

"The 10 hardware characteristics used to determine the hardware hash are: Display Adapter, SCSI Adapter, IDE Adapter, Network Adapter MAC Address, RAM Amount Range (i.e. 0-64mb, 64-128mb, etc), Processor Type, Processor Serial Number, Hard Drive Device, Hard Drive Volume Serial Number, CD-ROM/CD-RW/DVD-ROM".

Does Microsoft officialy acknowledge this 4 month purging period? I gave their site a quick search and found nothing.
 
Originally posted by: GonzoDaGr8
Originally posted by: MrChad
Originally posted by: Ironlegion
hi guys im thinking of going oem, but was wondering if it is still possible to install service packs like the retail.

Absolutely. OEM versions are identical to their retail counterparts except for the following:

1. OEM versions do not include support or manuals from Microsoft.
2. OEM versions are tied to the hardware they are sold with. Once you install an OEM version on a PC, it is bound to that PC forever. Retail versions can be uninstalled from one PC and reinstalled on a different PC.


Bunch o' BS as I see it.. I have done numerous upgrades and changes to my machine and yet still use the same old OEM XP that I allways have. Never fails to get re-activated either (whether by phone or internet). If I were to get software audited, They would see 1 copy of software on 1 machine..Not 1 copy on multiple machines. THAT IS ALL THEY REALLY CARE ABOUT. I know, not legal as per EULA, yada, yada, yada. Think about it realistically.

I wasn't talking about the technical limitations of OEM versions. Yes, I'm aware that you can reinstall OEMs on different PCs and successfully re-activate them. Nonetheless, this is, as you mentioned, a violation of the EULA.
 
Originally posted by: TechnoPro

Does Microsoft officialy acknowledge this 4 month purging period? I gave their site a quick search and found nothing.

Not that I am aware of.

Please note that I was suggesting a possible explanation of what might have caused the allowance of activating the same key on multiple PCs. I was not suggesting that was accepted by Microsoft or even legal.
 
So the ideal options for a reasonably priced MS XP OS are the Upgrade Retail package? Thats what I'm getting. XP Pro upgrade. I have 98SE now.
 
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