Winterproof an 2009 Fusion or do it in a few years?

[DVad3r]

Hey guys, quick question:

Friend bought an 09 used Fusion with 8000 miles on it. The car is going to be kept outside on his driveway. Do you think he should get it winter sprayed or no?

I told him probably not because new cars come winter proofed from the factory and usually last 5-6 years, but then again if he is going to be keeping it outside etc, it might be a good idea?

What do you guys think?

We have a lot of salt in Toronto, city + snow = mad salt.

 

[BassBomb]

find out if the oem has some sort of winterproofing (my 2007 ex-l doesn't but dad's 2007 es350 does)

if it doesn't then he should get it sprays, 95$ from Krown is well worth it

 

[MovingTarget]

Winterpoofing? Whats that?

<---Southerner

 

[marvdmartian]

That, or look into a good active cathodic protection system. I lived in Guam for ~8 years, small island surrounded by salt water, where unprotected vehicles rot out in 5 to 8 years.

More than once I saw vehicles that old that were still in immaculate condition, and every one of them had an electronic anti-rust (active cathodic protection) system on it. Cost around the same as rust spray-on protection, and never wear off the metal. :biggrin:

 

[DVad3r]

That, or look into a good active cathodic protection system. I lived in Guam for ~8 years, small island surrounded by salt water, where unprotected vehicles rot out in 5 to 8 years.

More than once I saw vehicles that old that were still in immaculate condition, and every one of them had an electronic anti-rust (active cathodic protection) system on it. Cost around the same as rust spray-on protection, and never wear off the metal. :biggrin:

I heard CP is BS for cars...my friend actually wanted to install a system his dealer was selling him for a shitload but I told him not to get it and get a spray if anything.

 

[PricklyPete]

That, or look into a good active cathodic protection system. I lived in Guam for ~8 years, small island surrounded by salt water, where unprotected vehicles rot out in 5 to 8 years.

More than once I saw vehicles that old that were still in immaculate condition, and every one of them had an electronic anti-rust (active cathodic protection) system on it. Cost around the same as rust spray-on protection, and never wear off the metal. :biggrin:

Will it give me the abs I always wanted as well? I actually had never heard of this...interesting.

 

[DVad3r]

Will it give me the abs I always wanted as well? I actually had never heard of this...interesting.

You've never heard of it? It's being sold like...everywhere...for the past few years.

Reading a little bit online about it, it seems it's bogus because the circuit current has no where to end/discharge in a car. The stuff works on other applications though like boats, pipes, etc.

 

[DVad3r]

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[PricklyPete]

You've never heard of it? It's being sold like...everywhere...for the past few years.

Reading a little bit online about it, it seems it's bogus because the circuit current has no where to end/discharge in a car. The stuff works on other applications though like boats, pipes, etc.

I've lived most of my productive life in the south where this has not been an issue. Concept seems sound...but no I've never seen the marketing.

 

[IEC]

Snake oil!

Spray this on the bottom of your wheel wells, exposed/non-protected parts under your car.
http://www.amsoil.com/catalog.aspx?GroupID=200

Should be good enough with reapplication as necessary.

 

[marvdmartian]

Will it give me the abs I always wanted as well? I actually had never heard of this...interesting.

The reason you don't hear much about it, up north, is because the spray undercoating companies make certain that any upstart company that tries to sell it gets trash-talked into oblivion.

It works, period. Had it on my truck, and in two spots where my truck had a scrape down to bare metal (and my lazy ass didn't cover it with paint again), it barely had a coating of surface rust after 10 years. The electronic box under the hood had wires going to two points on the truck; one on the frame, one on the body, both as far back on the vehicle as they could easily put it (back by the bed), so it covers the whole vehicle better.

Snake oil? You can call it that if you want, but I believe in it. Active cathodic protection works by placing a positive (if I remember right) charge on the metal to be protected. Since rust forms by positive oxygen ions reacting chemically with negative iron ions (thus forming FeO2, or ferrous oxide), the positive charge placed on the metal repels the oxygen ions, instead of attracting them, which prevents the metal from corroding.

Active cathodic protection requires no sacrifical anode (like boats and water heaters have), just a path for the electric current to pass through. They take a trickle discharge off your battery, really not much more than the constant hot to your stereo (that keeps your preset stations in memory) does.

 

[XZeroII]

http://www.corrosion-doctors.org/Car/carCP.htm

[q]Cathodic protection (CP) has been used with success to protect against corrosion on many structures and systems including sea going ships, buried pipelines, and even reinforced concrete. However, there is an area where the technique has no chance to work ... the protection of cars.[/q]

Read the article to find out why.

 

[HannibalX]

http://www.corrosion-doctors.org/Car/carCP.htm

[q]Cathodic protection (CP) has been used with success to protect against corrosion on many structures and systems including sea going ships, buried pipelines, and even reinforced concrete. However, there is an area where the technique has no chance to work ... the protection of cars.[/q]

Read the article to find out why.

That site is horseshit.

 

[Arkaign]

That site is horseshit.

lol, from the link above :

"Friends, BEWARE!

* Electronic corrosion protection for cars, does it works?"

HAHAHAHAHA

 

[XZeroII]

That site is horseshit.

of course it is. With the profound arguments that you have made, I can clearly see that you are right. Do you have any experience with personal finance? You seem like such an intelligent person so I was wondering if I could ask you a few questions regarding what I should invest my retirement money in.

 

[HannibalX]

of course it is. With the profound arguments that you have made, I can clearly see that you are right. Do you have any experience with personal finance? You seem like such an intelligent person so I was wondering if I could ask you a few questions regarding what I should invest my retirement money in.

Read the other portions of the site. It doesn't take a rocket scientists to understand that site is pushing an agenda.

 

[XZeroII]

Read the other portions of the site. It doesn't take a rocket scientists to understand that site is pushing an agenda.

What agenda would that be? I don't see any obvious agenda. The guy is a professor with a PhD and belongs to many professional organizations.
http://www.corrosion-doctors.org/KTS/roberge.htm


What kind of evidence are you looking for?

 

[HannibalX]

What agenda would that be? I don't see any obvious agenda. The guy is a professor with a PhD and belongs to many professional organizations.
http://www.corrosion-doctors.org/KTS/roberge.htm


What kind of evidence are you looking for?

You haven't read enough of it.

 

[XZeroII]

You haven't read enough of it.

You suck at debating.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I've been told a car is actually better off outside, then in a garage. In a garage (if it's heated) the snow melts all off completely and the salt works faster on the car frame. If it's outside it's too cold for it to do anything.

Though since you mention Toronto, it does not really get that cold there, so having it outside is probably equivalent to it being in a semi heated garage. If it's fairly new and there's no rust yet you can probably get away without the rust proofing. They don't make cars like they used to though, so you'll probably want to get it done sooner then later.

Also make sure you inflate your tyres to wallside pressure.

 

[CurseTheSky]

I live in Connecticut, where snow, slush, ice, salt, and sand are common-place during the winter.

Generally, I don't worry about rust. Vehicles are going to rust eventually, but if the manufacturer knows what they're doing and has good control over their assembly line, your car shouldn't rust out over the course of a few years. Will some parts get rusty or tarnished? Yep. I don't expect my exhaust system to look brand new after a couple of years. Will the frame or body panels be rotted out after 5-7 years? It had better not.

The only way I'd do extensive extra treatment is if the vehicle was very expensive, or if it was an older car that most likely didn't receive the same galvanization or other treatment they use on the metal today. My Mustang, for example, is getting every exposed surface (and most non-exposed) primered, spray painted, and then undercoated or POR-15'd. It's going to be a pain the ass to scrape all of it back off if it still rusts, so I sure hope it works.

And for those of you who say undercoating won't prevent rust: the only surfaces of the Mustang that were undercoated were the wheel wells. After 40 years of being driving in Connecticut (previous owner admitted to taking it out in the winter a few times), there was a LOT of rust and rot. We replaced sections of the frame rails, cowls, sections of the fenders, doors, quarter panels, almost the entire floor, etc. Other than replacing small sections at the very edge, the wheel wells were completely intact. The undercoating was a bitch to scrape back off, though.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Winterproof a car?

My vehicle is still doing fine after 9 New England winters being outside the whole time.

 

[EightySix Four]

I live in Connecticut, where snow, slush, ice, salt, and sand are common-place during the winter.

Generally, I don't worry about rust. Vehicles are going to rust eventually, but if the manufacturer knows what they're doing and has good control over their assembly line, your car shouldn't rust out over the course of a few years. Will some parts get rusty or tarnished? Yep. I don't expect my exhaust system to look brand new after a couple of years. Will the frame or body panels be rotted out after 5-7 years? It had better not.

Unless you drive a Toyota truck.

 

[CurseTheSky]

Unless you drive a Toyota truck.

Vehicles are going to rust eventually, but if the manufacturer knows what they're doing and has good control over their assembly line, your car shouldn't rust out over the course of a few years.

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[Pacfanweb]

I you do some googling, you'll find that cathodic protection for cars does not, and cannot work.

How can you place any kind of charge on the metal of the car, when the car's own battery already is using every bit of it for ground?

Can't possibly work. All other forms of cathodic protection, marine, pipes, etc, involve something that is actually touching the earth or water. Cars do not do that. You certainly aren't being grounded through your tires.

And if it was possible to have a contained system, it'd be a hell of a lot bigger than the ones you can find.

Oh, and if you think the earlier link was "horseshit",

http://www.cartalk.com/content/columns/Archive/1997/March/13.html

http://www.abc.net.au/science/k2/homework/s95524.htm

There are various products on the market claiming to provide cathodic electrochemical protection to your car, just by injecting electrons into your metal work - but they don't work. The FCC in the United States of America has actually got court orders to stop these products from being sold - simply because they don't work.

http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=52577&page=7


Come on, folks.....do you think the engineers that design cars are stupid? There's no such thing as a 100mpg carburetor...never was. There's no such thing as some magic fluid you can pour in your tank/engine/cooling system/transmission that makes a good-running unit dramatically better. Putting a tornado-thing that blocks up your air intake does not and cannot help mileage/power.
A "run your car on water" system does not and cannot work.

And there's no way cathodic protection works on cars, unless your car happens to constantly run in enough salt water to be in contact with the body panels.

If it did, the system would have been on cars a long time ago....first starting with the more expensive models, then trickling down to the cheaper ones.