Windows XP: Still the One

[Mem]

I gave it 3 tries on 2 different sets of hardware. Both gave unacceptable results. I understand that it's new and there is a lot of work to be done before it's a solid and reliable OS for everyone. It didn't work for me, it doesn't work for a lot of people yet there are people like you tossing your hands up with comments like "It works for me."

Remember it works both ways ,it does work well for a lot of people.

If you don't like it fine,I actually like Vista a lot but you don't see me posting in every thread spreading FUD.

Solid reliable OS?...I hate to burst your bubble but Vista is reliable for a lot of users including me,also remember Vista was released in a better state then XP ever was(I was an early adopter to XP so speak from experience).


If you can't get it stable I suggest you stick to a simple PS2 or XBOX console system for now,guess you are not ready for the big league yet.

I wonder when the trolls will go away.

Guys get ready for Vienna down the road,because we are going to see the same old garbage posted from the trolls and yes I'm looking forward to Vienna but not the trolls 🙁.

 

[soonerproud]

You're also a hypocrite with your statement. You're questioning my technical knowledge, saying that a "good technical support person, blah blah blah" so that's an insult to my intelligence. Again, I'd think you would use the word "troll" here but it applies to you this time.

This is quite pathetic as we can have a constructive conversation about the pros and cons of Vista but instead you just want to bury your head in the sand and act like you don't understand.

Wait a minute. You fired the first shot by insulting me. Others who have watched me post will tell you I am not the type to just go around insulting people when I am not being insulted. However, I have the right to defend myself and if insulted, I will do so.

Lets start over.

I apologize for calling you a troll and I hope you will apologize for insulting my intelligence and questioning my knowledge of tech support.

And before you accuse me of burying my head in the sand about the pros and cons of Vista, go back a few post a read my response to another poster on his decision to stick with XP. Also do a search of my post history and you will see I have pointed out the cons of Vista. I just happen to disagree with you that things like search, superfetch and UAC are cons.

 

[beatle]

Originally posted by: Mem
Solid reliable OS?...I hate to burst your bubble but Vista is reliable for a lot of users including me,also remember Vista was released in a better state then XP ever was(I was an early adopter to XP so speak from experience).


If you can't get it stable I suggest you stick to a simple PS2 or XBOX console system for now,guess you are not ready for the big league yet.

See, statements like this don't serve any useful purpose. You say that everyone who doesn't want to use Vista is a simpleton who is better off with an input device with no more than 10 buttons. You say that Vista is in a better state of stability than XP was when it released... but nobody is disputing what things used to be like in 2001. The fact remains is that XP is a stable OS right now with the most support right now. People can have completely rational reasons for sticking with XP for the time being. Trying to tell them that these problems don't exist or aren't important is pretty childish.

 

[Linflas]

I support XP at work and still use it on some of my boxes at home. As I learned the ins and outs of it and MS improved it over the years I find it to be a very dependable workhorse. That said when I first started investigating Vista it annoyed me quite a bit, mainly because I had to relearn things that required no thought on my part with XP because I had been doing it that way for so long. Then I thought back to when I made the move to XP from mostly working with NT 4.0/Win 2K and I went through the same annoyances with XP at that time. Now having worked with Vista and become comfortable with it I actually think they did a pretty nice job. It is the OS on my primary box at home now and will be for any new workstations I build. My only complaint is that I think MS shot themselves in the foot for no good reason by making 4 versions of the same OS when really they could have gotten away with just 2 versions or even just one with the install option to go with a home based model or business based model at install.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: beatle

Originally posted by: Mem
Solid reliable OS?...I hate to burst your bubble but Vista is reliable for a lot of users including me,also remember Vista was released in a better state then XP ever was(I was an early adopter to XP so speak from experience).


If you can't get it stable I suggest you stick to a simple PS2 or XBOX console system for now,guess you are not ready for the big league yet.

See, statements like this don't serve any useful purpose. You say that everyone who doesn't want to use Vista is a simpleton who is better off with an input device with no more than 10 buttons. You say that Vista is in a better state of stability than XP was when it released... but nobody is disputing what things used to be like in 2001. The fact remains is that XP is a stable OS right now with the most support right now. People can have completely rational reasons for sticking with XP for the time being. Trying to tell them that these problems don't exist or aren't important is pretty childish.

Spoken like a true XP fanboi!!!!...fact is Vista is stable for a lot of people,if you can't then that's your problem not mine,trolls never go away do they?

Yes people can stick with XP if they like but to say Vista is not stable is a joke.
You know I've heard the same old story from 2K users back when XP was first released.

One day I'll hear something new,rather then 90% FUD and 10% fact.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven

Originally posted by: HopJokey

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
While I agree XP is infinitely better than Vista, the real 'One' has to be abandoning the tired old business model and draconian control efforts of Microsuck altogether. Whatever issues Linux has it really is the obvious future. Vista is just clinging to a dead mythology, and in my own opinion Mac is just a shadow or reflection of that mythology.

Open source, outside of government or corporate controls, developed for purpose and not revenues...*nod*, yup, that's the way.

Can I play Crysis on Linux though?

it not just that. linux is a pain in the ass to use when your tired and just wanna get your work done. that why windows is so succesfull. it plain easy to do the stuff you like without consulating a million forum and docs.
and honestly vista is easier than even XP.

I have been playing around with SuSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10 and it really is pretty easy to install and use from what I have seen so far.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven

Originally posted by: HopJokey

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
While I agree XP is infinitely better than Vista, the real 'One' has to be abandoning the tired old business model and draconian control efforts of Microsuck altogether. Whatever issues Linux has it really is the obvious future. Vista is just clinging to a dead mythology, and in my own opinion Mac is just a shadow or reflection of that mythology.

Open source, outside of government or corporate controls, developed for purpose and not revenues...*nod*, yup, that's the way.

Can I play Crysis on Linux though?

it not just that. linux is a pain in the ass to use when your tired and just wanna get your work done. that why windows is so succesfull. it plain easy to do the stuff you like without consulating a million forum and docs.
and honestly vista is easier than even XP.

I have been playing around with SuSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10 and it really is pretty easy to install and use from what I have seen so far.

I would love to go over to Linux but as a gamer its no good for me,sad fact in my case and many gamers is Microsoft have the gaming market for the PC(yes I know gamers are in the minority compared to the rest of the PC users),one day that may change but to be honest I can't see how.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: Mem

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: tanishalfelven

Originally posted by: HopJokey

Originally posted by: PrinceofWands
While I agree XP is infinitely better than Vista, the real 'One' has to be abandoning the tired old business model and draconian control efforts of Microsuck altogether. Whatever issues Linux has it really is the obvious future. Vista is just clinging to a dead mythology, and in my own opinion Mac is just a shadow or reflection of that mythology.

Open source, outside of government or corporate controls, developed for purpose and not revenues...*nod*, yup, that's the way.

Can I play Crysis on Linux though?

it not just that. linux is a pain in the ass to use when your tired and just wanna get your work done. that why windows is so succesfull. it plain easy to do the stuff you like without consulating a million forum and docs.
and honestly vista is easier than even XP.

I have been playing around with SuSE Linux Enterprise Desktop 10 and it really is pretty easy to install and use from what I have seen so far.

I would love to go over to Linux but as a gamer its no good for me,sad fact in my case and many gamers is Microsoft have the gaming market for the PC(yes I know gamers are in the minority compared to the rest of the PC users),one day that may change but to be honest I can't see how.

That is pretty much what keeps me from doing more than just playing around with Linux myself at home. We use Novell at work though and will eventually be making the switch over to SLES servers with Netware on them and there are always rumors floating around that they may try to move the desktops over to Linux as well at some point although I don't see that as a real possibility.

 

[beatle]

Originally posted by: Mem
Spoken like a true XP fanboi!!!!...fact is Vista is stable for a lot of people,if you can't then that's your problem not mine,trolls never go away do they?

Yes people can stick with XP if they like but to say Vista is not stable is a joke.
You know I've heard the same old story from 2K users back when XP was first released.

One day I'll hear something new,rather then 90% FUD and 10% fact.

A "fanboi?" If you'd read my first post in this thread, you'd see my reasoning for not running Vista right now. You'd also see that I made a concerted effort to use it and accept the differences that many people bitch about. Then you can write some new drivers for my Audigy, my scanner, and then enable me to print to my shared printer. I didn't just throw my hands up at all of these roadblocks. I researched, troubleshot, and tried every little thing I could to get them working before relegating Vista for a better day. Your mindset towards people running XP is pretty blind and uneducated. Please consider that not everyone runs the same set of approved hardware in the same configuration. Then consider if you'd rather have the stability and predictability of XP or the fancyness of an unmature OS on those persons' hardware.

 

[Mem]

Then you can write some new drivers for my Audigy, my scanner, and then enable me to print to my shared printer. I didn't just throw my hands up at all of these roadblocks. I researched, troubleshot, and tried every little thing I could to get them working before relegating Vista for a better day. Your mindset towards people running XP is pretty blind and uneducated. Please consider that not everyone runs the same set of approved hardware in the same configuration. Then consider if you'd rather have the stability and predictability of XP or the fancyness of an unmature OS on those persons' hardware.

Big difference from stability to having the right drivers,lets see I have an Audigy 4 which works fine in Vista x64 for me, drivers are the responsiblilty of the manufacturer in question not the OS.You can blame OS for somethings but not all things,also remember Vista is nearly one year old so you can thank companies for being lazy with their drivers for Vista,how long do they need a decade???

I still use XP on my backkup PC so I'm not anti-XP(infact as I've stated been using it for around 7 years),only because I can't afford to upgrade it to Vista at this time(question of spending priority in my case).

My main point is Vista is stable for a lot of people,not being funny but we keep seeing the same old anti-vista post/ threads etc.....

Bottomline if we are being honest here ,then there is no perfect OS for everyone,both XP and Vista have their faults but when I see things like Vista is not stable etc..I think WTF is he talking about.

Some members also spread FUD which does not help.
Btw I don't consider myself a fanboi either but a gamer first and foremost, that is where my true heart lies.

 

[beatle]

Originally posted by: Mem
Bottomline if we are being honest here ,then there is no perfect OS for everyone,both XP and Vista have their faults but when I see things like Vista is not stable etc..I think WTF is he talking about.

That's the most sensible thing I've seen! I never bashed Vista for being "unstable" or blamed MS for not having drivers available, but the fact at the end of the day is that I'm a user and I don't care whose fault it is that something doesn't work. All I know is that XP works with this hardware and Vista doesn't. When that changes or I decide to let go of that hardware, THEN I'll be able to evaluate them on their other merits.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: beatle

Originally posted by: Mem
Bottomline if we are being honest here ,then there is no perfect OS for everyone,both XP and Vista have their faults but when I see things like Vista is not stable etc..I think WTF is he talking about.

That's the most sensible thing I've seen! I never bashed Vista for being "unstable" or blamed MS for not having drivers available, but the fact at the end of the day is that I'm a user and I don't care whose fault it is that something doesn't work. All I know is that XP works with this hardware and Vista doesn't. When that changes or I decide to let go of that hardware, THEN I'll be able to evaluate them on their other merits.

Actually the unstable OS part I was not referring to you but somebody else if you look futher up before your posts,question of crossed wires.

FYI all my hardware works in Vista x64 too 😉.

 

[jonmcc33]

Originally posted by: Mem
Snip.

I wonder when the trolls will go away.

LOL! Jesus christ with this shit already! Stop using that abused pile of crap word. Learn a new one already. You call everyone that isn't slobbing the knob of Vista a troll. It's like your only word. Do you walk around in "real life" saying, "Troll, troll, troll, troll," or something?

I could really care less about your opinions, experience or anything you have to say now because of this. Just quite a worthless post from you honestly...

 

[jonmcc33]

Originally posted by: soonerproud
Wait a minute. You fired the first shot by insulting me. Others who have watched me post will tell you I am not the type to just go around insulting people when I am not being insulted. However, I have the right to defend myself and if insulted, I will do so.

Actually, if you go back your first response that related to me was your reply to Pabster about his "boo-hoo" comments to me. The "real geek" post? Then I replied to you to think outside of the box. Think like an average user instead of the power user. That's all.

Originally posted by: soonerproud
Lets start over.

I apologize for calling you a troll and I hope you will apologize for insulting my intelligence and questioning my knowledge of tech support.

And before you accuse me of burying my head in the sand about the pros and cons of Vista, go back a few post a read my response to another poster on his decision to stick with XP. Also do a search of my post history and you will see I have pointed out the cons of Vista. I just happen to disagree with you that things like search, superfetch and UAC are cons.

LOL! Sorry but I don't go searching through user post history. That's a stalker thing to do. I'll take you for your word about whatever you say.

I didn't say that Vista features are cons. You seem to be interpreting my posts and not reading them for what they really say. First you think I hate Vista. Now you think I stated that Superfetch and UAC are cons?

They are useless to me but that's about it. I don't think they are cons. A con would be turning a $200 sound card into worse than plain 2.0 onboard. That's what Vista did for me. I like the capabilities of my hardware in Windows XP since they all work in that OS. I like that I'll never have to worry about application issues or trying to get something to work in Windows XP. I have no need for DX10. I have no need for any of Vista's features. So why should I switch? Add that 3 of my installs gave me undesirable results?

However, I just got done looking at laptop that belonged to the daughter of the CFO of the company I work for. She destroyed it with viruses and spyware that she inadvertently put on there of her own doing. With that fact plus that the laptop battery was dead, it would only work while plugged in, and was several years old I suggested he get a new laptop with Vista on it. That will protect her from herself so to say. So I do recommend Vista for certain people, just not ones that heavily depend upon the hardware and software they run the most.

Typical web browsing and e-mail users should be fine with Vista.

 

[Mem]

I didn't say that Vista features are cons. You seem to be interpreting my posts and not reading them for what they really say. First you think I hate Vista. Now you think I stated that Superfetch and UAC are cons?

They are useless to me but that's about it. I don't think they are cons. A con would be turning a $200 sound card into worse than plain 2.0 onboard. That's what Vista did for me. I like the capabilities of my hardware in Windows XP since they all work in that OS. I like that I'll never have to worry about application issues or trying to get something to work in Windows XP. I have no need for DX10. I have no need for any of Vista's features. So why should I switch? Add that 3 of my installs gave me undesirable results?

Nobody is asking you to switch,I guess you are not a gamer so DX10 is not needed for you,you do seem to appear in all the Vista threads and having a go at Vista ,I wonder why?😕 .
Just remember one thing sooner or later you'll have to upgrade to a newer OS,XP won't be around forever ,then you are going to have to deal with whatever OS you end up with.

I gave it 3 tries on 2 different sets of hardware. Both gave unacceptable results. I understand that it's new and there is a lot of work to be done before it's a solid and reliable OS for everyone. It didn't work for me, it doesn't work for a lot of people yet there are people like you tossing your hands up with comments like "It works for me."

Remember as I have stated Vista works for a lot of people including myself(I find it very reliable and solid in my case), not for you(since you have stated that) just like XP does not work for a lot of people(ie those that prefer Linux etc..).
Lets see end of the day there's no perfect OS for everyone,sooner or later XP and even later on Vista is going to be phased out,will we see same old arguments in Vienna etc.. lol I think so.

I could really care less about your opinions, experience or anything you have to say now because of this. Just quite a worthless post from you honestly...

Lol..I think some members were trying to tell you that,but for some reason it has not gotten through to you.

 

[jonmcc33]

Did I not tell you that I do not care about your opinion or anything you have to say? Reading would help you quite a bit in the future so you don't waste time trying to reply to someone that isn't going to bother reading your post.

 

[Mem]

Maybe a MOD should lock this thread,all I see is flaming and trolling by some members.

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Maybe you should make your own magazine since you seem to know everything...

Being published doesn't automatically make you intelligent on a subject and the line about MS not making any major changes to the "underpinnings" of the OS in Vista removes any semblance of credibility that the author may have had.

I'd say that vanished already at this statement:

it?s the only PC OS that can satisfy 100 percent of the people, 100 percent of the time.

Making a statement like that about anything is so incredibly stupid that nothing you say can be taken seriously.

 

[stash]

Originally posted by: Mem
Maybe a MOD should lock this thread,all I see is flaming and trolling by some members.

I think the OS mod is AWOL.

 

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: Mem
Maybe a MOD should lock this thread,all I see is flaming and trolling by some members.

The better solution would be to warn/short vacation the flamers and trolls rather than stopping the conversation for everyone by locking the thread.

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: Mem
Maybe a MOD should lock this thread,all I see is flaming and trolling by some members.

The better solution would be to warn/short vacation the flamers and trolls rather than stopping the conversation for everyone by locking the thread.

This was a flamebait thread to begin with. Just look at the OP's posts in the thread...should've been locked after his lame bump.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: Mem
Maybe a MOD should lock this thread,all I see is flaming and trolling by some members.

The better solution would be to warn/short vacation the flamers and trolls rather than stopping the conversation for everyone by locking the thread.

:thumbsup:

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: Mem
Maybe a MOD should lock this thread,all I see is flaming and trolling by some members.

The better solution would be to warn/short vacation the flamers and trolls rather than stopping the conversation for everyone by locking the thread.

If I was a mod I would lock every thread that mentioned Vista.... or XP. One or the other, I haven't decided yet.

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: jonmcc33
Did I not tell you that I do not care about your opinion or anything you have to say? Reading would help you quite a bit in the future so you don't waste time trying to reply to someone that isn't going to bother reading your post.

Your lips say 'no' but your eyes say 'YES' :shocked:

 

[Cygnus X1]

This was a flamebait thread to begin with. Just look at the OP's posts in the thread...should've been locked after his lame bump.[/quote]

Is this a Controversial subject?😉 I would not want to start any sort of problems between us.:laugh: