Windows XP SP1 Will Not Install on Known Pirated Installations

[dullard]

Originally posted by: shinerburke
The amount we pay is MUCH higher than that. Plus it only covers base versions of the software like Win2k Pro & Win2k server for example. You want to install Advanced Server or DataCenter Server and it's an extra charge. Same goes for SQL, Office, etc, etc, etc......

Sorry I didn't clarify, we get the education discount. So this is probably better than what a normal business can use. But the fact still remains, that Microsoft does give discounts for legitimate businesses.

 

[shiner]

Then stick with an older version of Windows like Windows 2000.

That is what is on our desktops and servers now. Why? Mostly because MS forced the upgrade. Don't kid yourself. Support for NT4 will be going bye bye very soon.

 

[Nemesis77]

I might actually give a damn if I used XP. Luckily I don't *pats his Linux-box*. 0 cost, no worries regarding licensing.

 

[Vortex22]

The Product ID is generated from the Product Key used during install and can be found by choosing My Computer, then Properties, and viewing the General tab.

*Looking*


[MrBurns] Excellent... [/MrBurns]

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Then stick with an older version of Windows like Windows 2000.

That is what is on our desktops and servers now. Why? Mostly because MS forced the upgrade. Don't kid yourself. Support for NT4 will be going bye bye very soon.

Do you HAVE to use Windows XP Pro? No. Do you HAVE to use Windows 2000 Pro? No. Do you HAVE to use Office XP/2000?? No.

We still do work for businesses that run DOS machines, companies that still use TONS of Windows 95 machines with Office 95/97.

 

[shiner]

Do you HAVE to use Windows XP Pro? No. Do you HAVE to use Windows 2000 Pro? No. Do you HAVE to use Office XP/2000?? No.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Ever tried running a terminal server farm on NT4? How about clustering? Sure it might work but it actually does work in Win2k. And yes we had to upgrade Office to XP because some of the programs we have required at least 2000 and why go to 2000 when you can jump to XP?

We still do work for businesses that run DOS machines, companies that still use TONS of Windows 95 machines with Office 95/97.

Maybe you do but I don't. Nor does most of the world. I work at a hospital and we HAVE to stay on the cutting edge of things. Several servers had to be upgaded to Win2k to run new software. The same is true about a lot of our workstations.

 

[waggy]

hmm i have worked in the IT field for the last 9 years and i have seen many NON-MS offices.

you DONT need to have MS software granted it is easy to install and use.

But to say you must have windows and 99% of office aps use it is wrong.

 

[shiner]

you DONT need to have MS software granted it is easy to install and use.

Actually yes we do. Nearly all, only 2 don't, of the medical apps that we use require Windows specifically Win2k. Even the two that don't require, yes require, SQL.

 

[hoihtah]

if you have problems with the way ms is operating...
then use linux.

support linux ... and there'll be more than enough apps developed for your needs in no time.

don't complain about the way MS does their thing.
just don't buy it.

it is possible to run a pc without runny a single ms software.

 

[shiner]

it is possible to run a pc without runny a single ms software.

At home sure.....where I work? Well have you been reading my posts?

 

[Vinny N]

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: mpitts

Originally posted by: dullard
Good. Hopefully that will force a few people to actually purchase the software they use.

That is doubtful. It will be "fixed", just like XP was.

it was already "fixed" like 3 weeks ago from what i've heard

Right on.

Those pirates would have to care to/want to install the SP in the first place to be affected, and if they were so interested in having the SP, they would have the "fixed" version just like they had the "fixed" beta SP when they cared to/wanted to have that.

It's amazing that Microsoft bothers to go through any measures, it doesn't seem like very effective deterrence.

Could you imagine hearing this? lol

<pirate hive voice>They can't stop us!</pirate hive voice>

 

[rh71]

<obvious to some, but what the hell> Pirates try harder when they are challenged. Most of them probably don't do it because they need what they're cracking. </obvious to some, but what the hell>

SP1 crack is already out.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Then stick with an older version of Windows like Windows 2000.

That is what is on our desktops and servers now. Why? Mostly because MS forced the upgrade. Don't kid yourself. Support for NT4 will be going bye bye very soon.

Do you HAVE to use Windows XP Pro? No. Do you HAVE to use Windows 2000 Pro? No. Do you HAVE to use Office XP/2000?? No.

We still do work for businesses that run DOS machines, companies that still use TONS of Windows 95 machines with Office 95/97.

no one has to use telephones and yet that industry was first heavily regulated then the monopoly was broken up. and its still heavily regulated.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Then stick with an older version of Windows like Windows 2000.

That is what is on our desktops and servers now. Why? Mostly because MS forced the upgrade. Don't kid yourself. Support for NT4 will be going bye bye very soon.

Do you HAVE to use Windows XP Pro? No. Do you HAVE to use Windows 2000 Pro? No. Do you HAVE to use Office XP/2000?? No.

We still do work for businesses that run DOS machines, companies that still use TONS of Windows 95 machines with Office 95/97.

no one has to use telephones and yet that industry was first heavily regulated then the monopoly was broken up. and its still heavily regulated.

Crap. Bell was a government mandated and protected monopoly. MS is neither.

 

[JackBurton]

Shinerburke, stop your bitching! I don't think $140 for an OS is expensive. Do you know what kind of talent went into making XP? Talent costs money, and last I checked, MS is giving you a DAMN good OS for $140. Since you think Windows XP costs so much, maybe you should take a pay cut ( $15,000 per year ) so your company can sell their products for less. Hey, we don't want to compensate people for their work or talent right?

If you want to save some money, use XP Pro for your desktops and use Linux for your backend. Happy now?

 

[spanky]

yes... it will be fixed... hehe

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: AmusedOne

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Then stick with an older version of Windows like Windows 2000.

That is what is on our desktops and servers now. Why? Mostly because MS forced the upgrade. Don't kid yourself. Support for NT4 will be going bye bye very soon.

Do you HAVE to use Windows XP Pro? No. Do you HAVE to use Windows 2000 Pro? No. Do you HAVE to use Office XP/2000?? No.

We still do work for businesses that run DOS machines, companies that still use TONS of Windows 95 machines with Office 95/97.

no one has to use telephones and yet that industry was first heavily regulated then the monopoly was broken up. and its still heavily regulated.

Crap. Bell was a government mandated and protected monopoly. MS is neither.

PC OS's should be recognized as a natural monopoly and thus subject to all the regulation and oversight that any of them, utilities or whoever, are due.

 

[Ameesh]

shinerburke: nobodies forcing you to do anything, if you want those features like clustering, NLB, AD, uniformity, lots of easy api's to use and regular serivce updates then continue to buy windows the reason why software is developed for it is because its easier and more profitable to do so. if you have such a moral objection to microsofts pricing policy then quit your job and go work for some ISP, they probably only use BSD anyway. Advocating theft of software doesnt further your argument in the least.

 

[hoihtah]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

it is possible to run a pc without runny a single ms software.

At home sure.....where I work? Well have you been reading my posts?

dude... have you been reading my post?
support linux ... and there'll be more than enough apps developed for your needs in no time.

perhaps in your company... there's a great need for apps that run on MS.
but just about every aspect of industry is turning their eyes on linux.
more people support linux, more programmers will produce linux apps.

and adding to what nfs4 said...
this is talking about pirated XP. not overpriced MS apps.
by using these MS apps, your company is making money.

if your hospital decided to run like how things were back in 40's... before computer age...
i'm sure you'll be making substantially less.
it's the technology that's allowing your hospital to make money.
so... pay up!

as for home users, if you're going to complain, go check out linux.

 

[shiner]

If you want to save some money, use XP Pro for your desktops and use Linux for your backend. Happy now?

Haven't been reading my posts have you? Might want to give that a try.......

 

[shiner]

Advocating theft of software doesnt further your argument in the least.

I'm not advocating piracy. All I said in my original post was that if MS were to lower their prices it would do a lot more to prevent piracy than these half assed schemes do.

 

[hans007]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

If more people actually purchased it, Microsoft could lower the cost without hurting their bottom line...

Riiiiiiiight!

HAHAH i laugh at how stupid that was, thats just ridiculous. microsoft will charge what the market will bear.


companies arent nice. they need to make money, thats their purpose. in an ideal microsoft world, we'd all buy windows , not pirate, and pay $1000 for it.
people think AMD is "nice" because they charge low. haahahahahah that is also just as ridiculous, AMD charges cheap because no one would pay them more.



besides, the sp1 thing doesnt work. all they did was log all the mostly circulated XP keys.


if you want to get around it, you just use the key gen, change your reg key in the registry, and hit up sp1. then if it doesnt work, keep doing it until it does. they cant ban EVERY key on the keygen.

 

[milagro]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Advocating theft of software doesnt further your argument in the least.

I'm not advocating piracy. All I said in my original post was that if MS were to lower their prices it would do a lot more to prevent piracy than these half assed schemes do.

I agree with shiner here...he's not advocating piracy..just asking fore more reasonable pricing for large corporations. Just give a decent flat fee where a company can just image machines as needed. Likewise at home I don't think I'm being unreasonable to want to be able to purchase one copy of xp that i can use on all of my home machines used for non-profit/personal uses...whether I have 2 machines or 5..apple's doing that now..why not MS?...anyway its the same as my argument for mp3's...If I purchased the original, why should it be wrong to dload/create the digital formats?

So to XP SP1 I say <ahnuld> ASTALAVISTA BABY </ahnuld>

 

[Jmmsbnd007]

I give it 92.29784 seconds before it's cracked.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: AmusedOne

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Then stick with an older version of Windows like Windows 2000.

That is what is on our desktops and servers now. Why? Mostly because MS forced the upgrade. Don't kid yourself. Support for NT4 will be going bye bye very soon.

Do you HAVE to use Windows XP Pro? No. Do you HAVE to use Windows 2000 Pro? No. Do you HAVE to use Office XP/2000?? No.

We still do work for businesses that run DOS machines, companies that still use TONS of Windows 95 machines with Office 95/97.

no one has to use telephones and yet that industry was first heavily regulated then the monopoly was broken up. and its still heavily regulated.

Crap. Bell was a government mandated and protected monopoly. MS is neither.

PC OS's should be recognized as a natural monopoly and thus subject to all the regulation and oversight that any of them, utilities or whoever, are due.

More crap. Please name one proffession in which the job cannot be done on a non-windows OS or a Mac. Just one.

The individual does not have a choice of electric/cable/phone, but they DO have a choice of OS. To claim otherwise is just crap.