Ingram-MicroD a large Wholesale Only distributor of all things computers also sells license packs.
Oh no! Not a Microsoft recommended distributor selling licenses only. Don't they know that is illegal. I hope tcsenter doesn't tell on them. Suprisingly enough that is where I order my 3 packs and coa/ additional licenses. Its a pita getting an account with them (ended up with it in my wifes name).
I already mentioned Microsoft License Packs above, apparently you weren't paying attention or simply cannot read.
A Microsoft License Pack (MLP) is a bona fide additional license. Part number for the Windows XP Home MLP is N09-00477 for the full version and N09-00478 for the upgrade version. If you do not own a full version or upgrade version, you do not qualify for a MLP. An additional license merely extends the rights of the original software to the same user/owner of the original software, not another person.
That's nice. When you can support your argument with something other than conjecture and non-support such as "I do it", let us know. "Bill Gates sucks" may be considered "support" for one's position among your circle of fellow idiots, but it doesn't make the cut anywhere else.
That's fine, so long as we're all in agreement that what you 'think' should be or shouldn't be legal has zero relevancy on anything being discussed here. Your opinion of Microsoft and Bill Gates doesn't determine the legality of what you do. The thread creator wanted to know what was 'legal', not what you do or what you think you should be able to do. Responses should therefore be limited to the question asked, and when they aren't, should at least come with the caveat of something along the lines of "This is my uninformed and prejudiced opinion which has no basis in fact or reality, but...." then proceed with whatever manner of senseless blabber you are offering.
I'm all for giving Bill Gates his money (mainly because of the insane amount he gives to charity). I just like doing it in the fashion that impacts my wallet the least so I don't need charity. The fact is the items listed as COAs on places like pricewatch are additional licenses. Most are listed as such on the resllers site but you see COA because thats what is included.
As for buying OEM on Ebay; it is fine. Like I said most of the sellers there are resellers/stores with rights to do so. Not individuals. Like someone said watch out for Dell CDs which are reinstallation CDs (not an OEM product). They are tied to the bios and not legal for resale.
As for buying OEM on Ebay; it is fine. Like I said most of the sellers there are resellers/stores with rights to do so. Not individuals. Like someone said watch out for Dell CDs which are reinstallation CDs (not an OEM product). They are tied to the bios and not legal for resale.
Each person has to decide for themselves how to proceed, but as long as you have a COA and ANY kind of installer that is compatible with the key, you should have no problems.
That isn't a legal opinion, its factual practice.
That isn't a legal opinion, its factual practice.
I just want to know something ... see when you buy windows XP Pro Full package ,right... i have 3 computers ... so can i install that on all 3 ? ... i mean it would be very unnessesery to buy a seprate package for each 1 ... and it would cost heaps ... ive always wondered about this ... whats the answer ?
I think Windows XP is the only OS package thats actually worth paying for out of all the windows packages that have benn in the past .
I always buy the newest version of Windows and until XP i was always dissapointed. They were near enough all the same veryfew differences or features.
And i thought what a total waste of money .
But XP sees more thought out and has a lot more user friendly interfaces ... I think it's worth just buying the Full Legit package .
I think Windows XP is the only OS package thats actually worth paying for out of all the windows packages that have benn in the past .
I always buy the newest version of Windows and until XP i was always dissapointed. They were near enough all the same veryfew differences or features.
And i thought what a total waste of money .
But XP sees more thought out and has a lot more user friendly interfaces ... I think it's worth just buying the Full Legit package .
If you qualify (Full Retail or Retail Upgrade product), you can purchase up to three additional licenses permitting you to install your original XP Pro Full or Upgrade on up to three additional computers. Using this link will let you know if you qualify for an additional license. OEM versions of XP Pro do not qualify. That's one of the reasons OEM versions are sold at a substantial discount over retail packaged products.
The following prices for each additional license are only suggested retail prices. They can be found much cheaper through authorized resellers and retailers. However, you must be sure that you are purchasing one of these part numbers, because only these part numbers are legitimate additional licenses that extend your rights to install original software on multiple computers at the same time.
Microsoft License Pack for XP Pro Full Version (MLP)
Part Number: E85-01209
$269.00
Microsoft License Pack for XP Pro Upgrade (MLP)
Part Number: E85-01210
$184.00
I was always curious about something like buying several computers that are exactly the same, motherboard, ram, drives, etc.
That is SICKENING .
NO WAY am i going to pay that kind of money , i think ive paid enough for XP already .
I'll just put 2000pro on the other 2 .:|
EDIT: I was thinking along the lines of £20 - £30 to install on each computer :|
those prices are HIGH wayyy too high ... a microsoft really expect people to buy there software LEGIT .
NO WAY am i going to pay that kind of money , i think ive paid enough for XP already .
I'll just put 2000pro on the other 2 .:|
EDIT: I was thinking along the lines of £20 - £30 to install on each computer :|
those prices are HIGH wayyy too high ... a microsoft really expect people to buy there software LEGIT .
Imagine that, they expect you to follow the friggin law and be an honest and ethical person. What a concept.
No Thats not what i was meaning ... i think of it like say i buy a DVD ... right i have a player in my bedroom , and i have a player in my sitting room ... should i have to pay TWICE 2 play that DVD in both players ?
Or a computer game on 2 - 3 - 4 different PC,s ?
NO ... its just money grabbing BOLLOCKS:|
EDIT :
btw ... honest and ethical person you think microsoft has the reputation is has for being honest and ethical ! ... i dont think so , and anyway software and copyright has NUTHING to do with ethics .
I clearly emphasized those were only suggested list prices. While you will pay close to that if you purchase directly from Microsoft, authorized resellers and retailers sell the same product far below these suggested prices. This is not an unusual practice.
I have only 1 more thing to say on the matter of extra licenses and thats i personally ... would not buy one.
Other people buy them thats there choice but now way would i pay for the same product twice ... id rather go without.
bye
Other people buy them thats there choice but now way would i pay for the same product twice ... id rather go without.
bye
I work as a sub-contractor for Dell for a living and am a DCSE (Dell Certified Systems Expert) they don't have any such info in the bios. There are available pre-installation configurations Microsoft provides that OEM system builders use for initial setup of new systems. I'm also pretty sure Microsoft manufactures the CD's that have the Dell label on them, and are configured to Dell's specs, If Dell did make thier own cd's then all the system drivers would be pre-installed as well and there would be no need for additional resource cd's for the drivers. Most of the time if you have to re-install your OS you have to enter the cd key, and activate your software, the pre-installation configurations from microsoft allow you to bypass this but is rarely included on your liscensed copy of windows.
edit: as far as liscensing goes newegg and googlegear (i.e. zipzoomfly <- that's one stupid name change) have the best prices on legal copys of single liscensed OEM windows.
If the info isn't in the bios where is it, the hard drive?
Since I have one of the Dell Reinstallation CDs in my hand right now, I wonder a bit at the actual extent of your experience. Part number is 6U814 and it says its just the OS not drivers etc.
Since I have one of the Dell Reinstallation CDs in my hand right now, I wonder a bit at the actual extent of your experience. Part number is 6U814 and it says its just the OS not drivers etc.
What Microsoft chooses to do as far as honesty and ethically should have no bearing on your decisions. If we say they are dishonest and unethical (your statement not mine) does that give you right to do the same?
And copyrights have alot to do with ethics bud. If you believe in a system of laws (copyright being one of those) and that stealing is wrong, than you should have an ethical dilemma irregardless of another parties behavior. If you do not agree with a companies behavior exercise your right as a consumer and do not patronize them, but stealing it is dishonest and unethical no matter how you look at it. If you can somehow justify it in your mind that is your decision, but realize you have failed ethically.
Have you ever considered that most if not all laws are simply tools of the rich and powerfull to protect what they have from everbody else?
That ethics may have much more to do with fairness than it does with law?
That ethics may have much more to do with fairness than it does with law?
Ethics are not based on laws and never should be, so yeah it's been considered. Like I said go ahead and justify it any way you like.
Please tell me how it is fair for a company to pour money and hard work into R&D and production costs for a product only for trolls to steal it? Where's your fairness? Please spare yourself the embarrassment of arguing this point. You can't. Go ahead and use the big mean company vs. the little guy approach or any approach you want for that manner. When your are done and your brain hurts from thinking, ask yourself one question..... Do I believe it is unethical to steal?
Every arguement will fail if you are an ethical person...
You may be right. In either case the Dell reinstall CDs are pre-activated before reaching the end user. So if you bought one the component list is already in the MS database which would not allow for activation on another PC. My point was more that the Dell reinstall CD is not an OEM product and should not be considered as such.
Correct the Dell reinstall CD is NOT a OEM CD, and just as curious it differs from similiar reinstall CDs from HP and Compaq, which seem to be very model dependant, while the Dell CD seems to work on any Dell in the last couple of years (but nothing non Dell).
Microsoft isn't responsible for any significant innovation, their initial product could be a text book example of how to legally steal. Just as the illegal monopoly practices show the extent that a huge powerfull corporation can ignore the law without penalty. In general Microsoft has structured an extortion racket that allows them to bleed the PC industry and most consumers regardless of the merit to their products via proprietary file systems and bug fixes dressed up as upgrades.
Ethical would be to have NOTHING to do with them.
Anything else is going to leave you slightly soiled, but as a practical matter in many cases Microsoft is the only train from A to B, so whats the difference from a hobo riding the train, and someone playing a game on a swapmeet copy of XP?
Microsoft isn't responsible for any significant innovation, their initial product could be a text book example of how to legally steal. Just as the illegal monopoly practices show the extent that a huge powerfull corporation can ignore the law without penalty. In general Microsoft has structured an extortion racket that allows them to bleed the PC industry and most consumers regardless of the merit to their products via proprietary file systems and bug fixes dressed up as upgrades.
Ethical would be to have NOTHING to do with them.
Anything else is going to leave you slightly soiled, but as a practical matter in many cases Microsoft is the only train from A to B, so whats the difference from a hobo riding the train, and someone playing a game on a swapmeet copy of XP?
Then you don't get on the train to go from A to B if you can't or won't pay for the ticket. Common sense should help you here...
After much research I found my answer. According to Microsoft you only need to purchase the media one time per location. For example, I have 2 computers, one running XP home and one XP pro. I need the media disk for each. I can buy just the COA for XP pro and sell my copy of XP home, giving me 2 copies of XP pro, but only one media copy at this location. Just a heads up to everyone who wants to do it the legal, morally correct way, but also not pay extra.
By using Windows, you agree to Microsoft's end user contract. Your name (or digital signature) on that contract means that it is YOUR morality. It doesn't matter if Microsoft is a thief, they live up to their end of the agreement, it is your moral obligation to live up to yours.
By using Windows, you agree to Microsoft's end user contract. Your name (or digital signature) on that contract means that it is YOUR morality. It doesn't matter if Microsoft is a thief, they live up to their end of the agreement, it is your moral obligation to live up to yours.
Beware of buying Windows on Ebay, btw. THe prices are low, but they charge $15-25 for SHIPPING, not included in your bid. Given that, it isn't any cheaper than Newegg.
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