Windows XP old updates still avail after april?

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Compman55

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So the question is very basic, support ends in april, but will the website remain to bring a fresh windows XP install up to the last updates?

Example: In 2004 or so I could still update windows 98 to the last of the updates. The website still worked.
 
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I doubt it. Right now you need SP3 and IE7 installed or it will just give you errors.
 
corkyg

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Don't plan on it. There is no longer an income stream from XP to support it. Microsoft is not given to charity except Bill Gates himself. :)
 
lxskllr

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How hard is to to pull all the updates, and how much space would it take?
 
Dahak

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Im pretty sure that it that they will still be available. I can't see why they would take them down the instant April 14th rolls around. It probably costs ms pennies to keep them up
 
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Of course they will. It's in no ones best interest to have ancient versions of Windows XP online.

What they mean is that they just won't patch any new security flaws that are found after that date. Use at your own risk.
 
JoeBleed

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i haven't tried in a few years, but i think somewhere around 2007 they still had win98se updates available. So i would guess they'd still make xp updates available for a long time as well. I hope.

What i really hope is they man up and release a large roll up package that is all inclusive. I would prefer a service pack, but they're just not going to do that.

As for downloading them all for local install, the Microsoft catalog site is what i used to use when i was on dial-up and needing to update several computers or have them on hand to do a mass update before running windows updates to get the most recent. you could string them together to install them all at once. I have my notes on that at home. xchain or something like that from MS.

I really hope the release a large roll up package that includes not only windows security fixes, but .net patches, and other little patches up to date of stuff they've offered through MS update.
 
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Via

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I imagine that even if they're hard to get someone somewhere (probably ebay) will be selling a DVD for $10 that has all of the updates on it.
 
JoeBleed

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What timing. Fresh install of xp media center 2005 with sp2.

-installed sp3
-installed ie8
-windows update web page wouldn't work. had to let auto update download a couple of things first before it would work. the fix it linked to the issue wouldn't even fix it. Though this could be related to the oddities that come with the bastered that is xp media center.

first round after a couple of behind the scenes auto updates is 161.4 MB not including 4.0 search, bing bars and crap, live essentials nor .net 1.1 or 3 yet. 133 updates selected.

for the fun of it, i'll edit this post as i move forward this evening.

Reboot 1: now 138 MB worth of updates. .net 3.5sp1, silverlight, media player 11, ms security essentials selected this time. after the .net install it is going to be a lot more updates. 14 updates this time.

Reboot 2: several failed and having to pick them up this time around. 135 MB 35 updates mostly .net patches.

Reboot 3: that about gets everything except ms security essentials and silverlight. installing them now.

Reboot 4: not really required, installed security essentials and silverlight, no reboot, ran updates again for a silverlight update, ran again and nothing new listed. rebooting now just to see. I think this is it and i can finally get some sleep.

Yep, that's it. This is what it takes to update xp mce 2005 sp2 at this point. I would have tried slipstreaming sp3 into the mce disk, but i've lots of failures with install after doing it. sucks.

Qchain was the tool i used to string updates and hotfixs together for one install process.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/296861

Edit: forgot to add catalog site
http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/v7/site/Home.aspx
 
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Fred B

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I am not woried abouth updates , i think they wil be availible in some kind of way . The updates for w98 can be found on the web also , I am more afraid of not getting hardware drivers anymore for the next generation hardware.
 
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Remobz

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I am still using sp2 and IE 8.

Hoping to transfer my work files safely over to a new windows 7 machine before the year is out.
 
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It's a pain in the ass. Everyone once in a while I will have to build an XP machine because some medical devices only have XP drivers.

I should have just made an up-to-date install disc, but I still use a very old XP disc. You have to download several updates manually before you can even run Windows Update. IE and SP3 are a couple. On some machines I have had to update the Windows Update Agent. It seems like every install acts a bit differently and I just have to toy with them and download random updates until finally the Windows Update site will load and apply everything.


My turnaround time for a Win 7 machine is about 20 minutes using MDT to apply an image and install updates automatically. Win XP usually takes me 6-8 hours off and on all day.
 
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nemesismk2

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crash331 said:
It's a pain in the ass. Everyone once in a while I will have to build an XP machine because some medical devices only have XP drivers.

I should have just made an up-to-date install disc, but I still use a very old XP disc. You have to download several updates manually before you can even run Windows Update. IE and SP3 are a couple. On some machines I have had to update the Windows Update Agent. It seems like every install acts a bit differently and I just have to toy with them and download random updates until finally the Windows Update site will load and apply everything.


My turnaround time for a Win 7 machine is about 20 minutes using MDT to apply an image and install updates automatically. Win XP usually takes me 6-8 hours off and on all day.
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yeah i agree with you that windows 7 is much faster to get everything installed especially security patches, and updates etc. the problem with windows 7 is that it's not going to have the life span like windows xp enjoyed. microsoft is already saying i need to upgrade from windows 7 to windows 8.
 
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Fred B

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Think Xp is real hard to instal on a modern pc with no floppy drive, best thing is to make a streamlined cd with Nlite containing al the updates, servicepacks and drivers. I got a XP upgrade so when installing it asks for the w95/98/ME cd :biggrin:

When moving from P45 to Z77 i made no new install but just placed the drive in the new motherboard and XP found the new hardware and reaplaced the drivers for new ones That works real easy, but yuo got to stick to the same mode IDE/RAID/AHCI .
And the automatic activation is not so easy anymore , XP must activate it with the telephone.
 
Red Squirrel

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Anyone know if there's a way to download the updates as installer files and automate the full install? I know some updates offer a download but it would be a crazy task to do this for every single update (thre's what, like 10's of thousands of em?). I suppose a wsus server could work but that's a pain to setup and requires a domain, and who knows what kindof time bomb they have set in there.

You could also "capture" an update session but there's probably some difference from PC to PC as to what files get modified.
 
JoeBleed

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Red Squirrel said:
Anyone know if there's a way to download the updates as installer files and automate the full install? I know some updates offer a download but it would be a crazy task to do this for every single update (thre's what, like 10's of thousands of em?). I suppose a wsus server could work but that's a pain to setup and requires a domain, and who knows what kindof time bomb they have set in there.

You could also "capture" an update session but there's probably some difference from PC to PC as to what files get modified.
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Yes, see my post #10 above. This is how i used to do it when i was on dial up. A lot of those updates can also be slipstreamed to make a more updated install media.

Edit: added the catalog site link to post 10 and figured i'd add it here also
http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/v7/site/Home.aspx

i must say i don't like the new site compared to the old one when i used to use it. it requires active x and you can't just pick the OS you're looking for and see relevant updates. you can search for XP and find a lot that way though.

The other thing to do is take what ever versions of XP or windows os you want to do this with and do a clean install and note all of the hotfix/kb #s and search for them one by one. It is tedious, but if you do it a lot it's worth it. Especially if you're looking to make an updated install media.
 
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FalseChristian

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nemesismk2 said:
yeah i agree with you that windows 7 is much faster to get everything installed especially security patches, and updates etc. the problem with windows 7 is that it's not going to have the life span like windows xp enjoyed. microsoft is already saying i need to upgrade from windows 7 to windows 8.
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Windows 7 will be supported until 2020. Plenty of time to wait for Windows 11.
 
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