windows xp directx 11

[Magic Carpet]

Was it really technologically challenging to adapt newer tech model like ^ for XP?

Or was it a 90% business decision?

Please, go ahead and post your views.


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[LiuKangBakinPie]

XP is the OS that didnt wanna die. SO they had to try and kill it someway as they were not making money on it anymore.
Other thing is saying a Dx 10 gpu cant do DX 11 is like saying a dual core cant run Windows 7, Pure marketing BS

 

[Dahak]

Because XP is officially no longer supported except for critical security updates. So there is no need to port it to xp.

 

[Magic Carpet]

LiuKangBakinPie,

That's what I'm thinking too. Forcing people to upgrade / fix what ain't broken. Nasty business tactics, that is.

No idea why they have bothered with Vista and 7, could have just made Windows 8 in the first place. And I hate those Apple-like speeches?

Oh, we are bringing back the UP button missing in Vista/7's explorer. That was standard functionally in Windows XP. Why re-invent? Idiots.

Why giving names for incremental updates? They could just charge for them instead. Such a hassle to reinstall everything every damn time.

Getting really fed up with Microsoft. If it weren't for games... hardly was any worth. This is not 2000 anymore. Open source really caught up. Time for a change.

Wine/Vmware hasn't gotten any worse I take it? ;-p

 

[imagoon]

LiuKangBakinPie,

That's what I'm thinking too. Forcing people to upgrade / fix what ain't broken. Nasty business tactics, that is.

No idea why they have bothered with Vista and 7, could have just made Windows 8 in the first place. And I hate those Apple-like speeches?

Oh, we are bringing back the UP button missing in Vista/7's explorer. That was standard functionally in Windows XP. Why re-invent? Idiots.

Why giving names for incremental updates? They could just charge for them instead. Such a hassle to reinstall everything every damn time.

Getting really fed up with Microsoft. If it weren't for games... hardly was any worth. This is not 2000 anymore. Open source really caught up. Time for a change.

Wine/Vmware hasn't gotten any worse I take it? ;-p

I look at it this way:

That's what I'm thinking too. Forcing a company to support a product without a support contract for years and fixing what was broken. Nasty business tactics, that is.

No idea why they have bothered supporting XP for 10+ years, could have just made Windows 8 in the first place.

Oh, we are bringing back the UP button missing in Vista/7's explorer. That was standard functionally in Windows XP. Why invent an easier to use interface?

The rest of your post is confusing...

No one forces you to upgrade. Feel free to keep using your 10+ year old OS. Just remember that MS is not required to support you.

Interesting that you say "time for a change" when you are complaining about changes made to a MS OS product line....

 

[Magic Carpet]

The rest of your post is confusing...

No one forces you to upgrade. Feel free to keep using your 10+ year old OS. Just remember that MS is not required to support you.

Interesting that you say "time for a change" when you are complaining about changes made to a MS OS product line....

lol, sorry. Didn't mean to go on a rant.

When XP updates are up, that's when the change is going to take place. I very much doubt, I'll microsoft my fleet of boxes. No longer cost effective. These days, I want less maintenance not more ;-p

Microsoft has turned into a crowd pleaser. Good for new customers.. but I don't like the way they are treating their old. Not releasing IE9 for XP was a fail. I'd rather pay $100 for SP4 to have all these updates than migrate.

Got a feeling, that the people who worked on Win7 barely had made any contribution to WinXP. I don't see the continuation. Some things fixed, some broken. Why to re-invent the wheel?

*nix has matured enough, can't wait to deploy it. These days, all you need is a web browser! Thank God.

 

[brandonb]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Display_Driver_Model

That said, it sounds like you are whining for the sake of whining. $100 for SP4? Just upgrade to Windows 7 and be done with it. Windows 7 is vastly superior to XP, not sure why you are dragging your feet. Go linux and welcome to a new world of retardedness.

 

[Magic Carpet]

I am not whining. From a business point of view, Windows 7 is far from perfect. It doesn't support all the range of hardware that we do have here and my time is worth more. For me it would actually come cheaper to pay for the updates than re-work everything.

Linux/whatever open-source might work out actually better. We'll see.

I like your rage ;-)

 

[lxskllr]

Of course it was a business decision. Anything can be done with enough time and money. Why should MS expend time and money for nothing in return? That's how dumb asses do business. MS makes a good product at a good price, at least from a consumer standpoint. You can buy in. or not. There's other choices, and GNU/Linux is a fine choice. If you pay a little attention picking hardware, and give up having the latest games, you can do anything you want. Don't like the direction your favorite distro is going? Use another one, or write your own. You have absolute freedom to run your computer the way you see fit.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Agreed. +1

 

[imagoon]

I am not whining. From a business point of view, Windows 7 is far from perfect. It doesn't support all the range of hardware that we do have here and my time is worth more. For me it would actually come cheaper to pay for the updates than re-work everything.

Linux/whatever open-source might work out actually better. We'll see.

I like your rage ;-)

Strange, here Win 7 was a slam dunk. The roll out was light years better than XP. Nearly everything was on the DVD (converted to a PXE boot.) Everything else was plugged in to the driver store. Was really nice that I could hit F12 on a PC, click "install windows7" and I wandered off and came back in 15 minutes to a domain joined, ready for deployment workstation. The "windows 7" image was just one image also, unlike the XP "base image" for all the computer models in the company. It was rather fun being able to WoL boot 100 machines at a time and watch them migrate without any end user involvement.

Linux can barely touch the centralized management of windows [unless you are some sort of scripting savant]. Pile on top that 70% of the company apps would not run on Linux (and I am not going to bother to try and "Wine" them.) All of a sudden the "free linux OS model" loses a lot of luster. IE $40 a seat for Win7 or way more than $40 a seat in labor to manage the seat doesn't make business sense.

Windows 7 wasn't perfect but it sure costs less than XP from a management and support side. After the first round of migrations I was happy to watch XP die out in our enterprise.

 

[ViRGE]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Display_Driver_Model

Honestly that sums it all up right there. DX10 wasn't just a bunch of new API commands, but it was a massive restructuring of Windows. Microsoft needed to completely overhaul the driver architecture to support things such as sane preemption (to share the GPU), GPU error detection & recovery, GPU memory management, etc. Direct3D uses these features and so the underlying OS needs to support them.

In theory MS could have backported these to XP, but at that point it would have no longer been Windows XP (it would have been Windows Vista, whether you liked it or not).

 

[Barfo]

I am not whining. From a business point of view, Windows 7 is far from perfect. It doesn't support all the range of hardware that we do have here and my time is worth more. For me it would actually come cheaper to pay for the updates than re-work everything.

Linux/whatever open-source might work out actually better. We'll see.

I like your rage ;-)

Something tells me you won't like Linux very much...:whiste:

 

[Griffinhart]

In theory MS could have backported these to XP, but at that point it would have no longer been Windows XP (it would have been Windows Vista, whether you liked it or not).

That's about right. Of course with time and money DX10/11 could have been ported to XP, but It doesn't really make any sense to do it.