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Windows XP confusion

MrWhiteUK

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Basically I am trying to decide wether I should get a student copy of Win2K pro or wait for XP. I have read a million and 1 things about XP about the copy protection and now my head is spinning, I'm confused. Here goes:

1. How much is XP gonner cost?

2. I only have 98 now, if I upgrade to Win2K pro will XP be CHEAPER?

3. When is it released?

4. Will it be offered as an upgrade to any of the previous OS's?

5. Could someone please explain this piracy protection system as SIMPLY as possible?

6. I have also heard bad things about making digital copies of CD's etc. Could someone explain again SIMPLY what I will/won't be able to do? mp3's? Copying CD's to HD? Napster etc. (I don't use Napster btw) Will Digital Audio Extraction be stopped altogether?

7. What does it offer over Win2K?

8. Anything else that is intresting/bad/unfair/good about XP that'll be useful to know.


Many Thanks

Dom
 

AMB

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1) Dont really know, under £200, above £100

2) Nope, the upgrade workds for 9x

3) Released in October, although it may be later as the RTM has changed from August to September now

4) Upgrade will be avaliable

5) Well, its still not all finailsed, but you need to activate your product online, or via the phone within 14 days. Also, you can only use it on one pc, as three or more hardware changes will invalitade the activation ... apparantly.

6) CD Copying was possible in build 2475 with WMP8

7) Over Win2K, it has new version of IE, WMP. It has new visual styles, new bug fixes.
 

MrWhiteUK

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Thanks AMB,

Someone said there was some sort of 'Audio Protection' in Win ME, I use Win ME and I'm jiggered if I can see any signs of it?!

Any software that is in the £100-200 price range is out of my league anyway, well not out of my league as such more like not willing to pay that much, I would never pay more than about £75 for an OS EVER.

Will it be on student liscense??

I can get Win2K pro for £50 on student.

Anything else I need to know
 

Jonny

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I'm going to say, if you can get Win2k for that price, get it. I have used the XP beta and I'm really not that impressed...at all.

All the new graphical stuff is a pain in the.... I found myself turning it ALL off and going back to the sytle of Win2k.

Also, its definatly no faster, in fact, I found it much slower. Games did not run good either...much better in win2k.

What I have to ask is, what does it offer over Windows 2000? New graphics? No thanks. Less bugs? Win2k is VERY stable, so, I have few complaints there. All in all, XP just looks like more of a hassle, but I guess I did just try the beta...but could it really improve much?
 

Noriaki

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<< 1. How much is XP gonner cost? >>

XP home should be inline with Win98/ME, XP Pro should be inline with 2k Pro. And yes there will most likely be student licenses available of one or the other.



<< 2. I only have 98 now, if I upgrade to Win2K pro will XP be CHEAPER? >>

XP Home edition probably will be but it's kind of crippled compared to Win XP Pro...read about the differences. I'd be looking at Win2k pro vs WinXP pro, and not considering WinXP Home personally. WinXP Pro will cost you more than Win2k Pro because WinXP Pro can't upgrade from Win98SE, whereas Win2k Pro can. WinXP Home should cost you less than either, but IMO is quite crippled.
Edit: Though if WinXP home doesn't have a student license it will probably cost a bit more than your student license of Win2k.




<< 3. When is it released? >>

There used to be a counter at http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/, that said October 25th and counted down the minutes...but I can't seem to find it anymore.



<< 4. Will it be offered as an upgrade to any of the previous OS's? >>

Win XP Home Edition (formely known as personal) will be upgradeable from Win98, WinME, and Win2000 Pro (and maybe NT4 can't remember off the top of my head but shouldn't matter for you). Win XP Pro will be upgradeable from WinNT4 and Win2000 Pro. Note the lack of Win95 from either list and Win98/ME from the Pro list. XP Pro will cost you alot more than 2k Pro because you don't qualify for the XP Pro upgrade. Win2k can upgrade from 95, 98, NT3.51, NT4.



<< 5. Could someone please explain this piracy protection system as SIMPLY as possible? >>

It's quite simple really, this could all change but here's how it stands now.

With previous versions of Windows you get a CD Key stamped on the box somewhere, and you use that when you install.

With XP you have to activate to get your CD key. You install and it will pop up a number on the screen, we'll call this the &quot;Lock&quot;. You phone up microsoft and tell them your Lock-Code, and they give you a Key-Code to unlock it. From then on your Key-Code acts exactly like a Win98/ME/2000 code. If you make several hardware changes your &quot;Lock&quot; will change and you'll have to call up MS and get a new Key.
You have 14 days to do this after install.

(You don't have to call btw, activation can be done on the net or through email).




<< 6. I have also heard bad things about making digital copies of CD's etc. Could someone explain again SIMPLY what I will/won't be able to do? mp3's? Copying CD's to HD? Napster etc. (I don't use Napster btw) Will Digital Audio Extraction be stopped altogether? >>

No one knows yet. There is suppose to be secured digital media...like you supposedly can't even play validated MP3s with Winamp. But I don't know if that's true or not....



<< 7. What does it offer over Win2K?
8. Anything else that is intresting/bad/unfair/good about XP that'll be useful to know.
>>

I'll answer these together:
WinXP has several new &quot;features&quot; that you can't get with Win2000:
[*]The new GUI. Which is like LiteStep or WindowBlinds, just integrated into the OS now.
[*]System Restore, if you have WinME you know about this. Win98SE and Win2000 don't have it, WinME and WinXP do.
[*]Apperntly WinXP has better support for digital cameras than Win2k.
[*]WinXP also has built in CD Writing software.

WinXP also comes with IE6 and WMP8...but they aren't XP specific...if you want them you can download them for Win2000.

The new GUI is kind of neat (I hate the pastel blue...but look around for the screen shot of the metallic skin it looks pretty nice).
I personally hate system restore...I do my own backups with Drive Image, and it doesn't hog system resources like restore does (oh surprise surprise MS hogs resources...)
The digital camera bit might be important to you...I don't use one, but I knoew people that do and they've never had problems...but what do I know?
I don't know about WinXP's built in CD Writing software....if it's PacketCD that would be kind of cool because then we'd have a standardized packet CD format and they might become marginally useful. But personally I'll stick to Nero and CDRWIN.

I've also heard WinXP is stricter with Digital Signatures on Drivers than Win2000 is....not sure if that's true or not...but it's something to consider if you like playing with Betas.

WinXP still has the 60Hz refresh problem with games. Some people have gotten around it in Win2000...I have not :(

Hopefully WinXP will finally fix the SPDIF passthrough for DVD playback...but who can say? Win2k's still seems broken even in SP2. But I use a Hollywood Plus if I want TV-out and/or SPDIF out and that works fine in Win2k (or at least it should I don't have a digital reciever so I've never actually used it).

But really when it comes right down to it, WinXP is just fluff on top of Win2000.
Win2000 = NT5.0, WinXP = NT5.1
They run the same software, they use the same drivers. With SP1 or 2 Win2000 even has the compatiblity mode tool.

The thing you have to ask yourself, is do you want/need the new &quot;fluff&quot; that WinXP introduces. If you don't go with Win2000.

It's really the same choice as Win98SE vs WinME. You won't lose any software compatibility, driver and software optimizing is equal for both NT5 variants....

I hope that helped out somewhat. I've been studying WinXP for months trying to make the same decision you made. I decided on Win2000 (especially at 50 pounds, it's worth double that for the upgrade...), maybe XP is a better choice for you though. If you have any more questions feel free to ask them. I'll do my best to dig up answers for you.
 

MrWhiteUK

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Many thanks guys (especially Noriaki) your replies are great but I have a few more questions:


1. If I read correctly your saying if I upgrade to Win2k via student liscensing (which is called an upgrade but is actually the full product) I can get an UPGRADE to XP pro, but not if I only have Win98, I'll only be able to go to XP home edition then.

2. What I'm getting at is would it be cheaper for me to buy the Win2k pro student upgrade (£50) AND the XP pro (student?) upgrade as oppoesed to the FULL version of XP pro?

edit: I've just read on that site you linked to that you CAN upgrade 95/98/ME to XP pro so if that is true let me rephrase question 2:

Which will be cheaper

*Student Win2k (£50) PLUS XP pro(?student?) upgrade
OR
*XP pro (?student?) upgrade from my 98 disc

Won't the disc to upgrade 98/ME to XP pro be the same £ as the disc to upgrade 2k pro to XP pro?

3. Regarding all OS 'Upgrade' CD's do you need both discs (previous &amp; upgrade) for the installation or do you just install using the 'new' OS disc and it asks you for the serial no. of the 'old' os, make sense? The Win2K pro student upgrade says you need to have 95/98 but the actual 2K disc is the FULL version. I take it they'll just ask for the serial no. of my Win98 disc if I apply for this student liscence? My Win98 came bundled with an old machine does this matter? I have a feeling I'm not even supposed to use the disc with my new machine (slaps wrist:D)


Thanks again your replies are greatly appreciated
 

DeeK

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3) All Windows upgrade versions are actually full versions that look/ask for a previous version during the install. You can install, for example, Win98 from an upgrade disc if you give it a Win95 CD or Win3.1 disks when it asks for them. Whether it's an OEM version or not doesn't matter a bit. Microsoft would like to require people to get a new copy of Windows with each new machine (and indeed, some of the major OEMs ship Windows restore CDs that are locked to the BIOS of the machines they ship with), but they can go to hell as far as I'm concerned.
 

pepo

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XP is going to svck anyway or it will until they fix the bugs (you know that when smth new comes out from Mirosoft it has bugs in it) ;-]
otherwise when they fix them i'll get it ;-]
 

Jgtdragon

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Since we are discussing Windows XP, I got a question too. I had heard that Windows XP is backward compatible to Win98/Windows 2000 software. I know some games can't be play in Windows 2000 like NBA live 2001. Will XP combine win98 and win2k so it works with all software?
 

Noriaki

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Jgtdragon: WinXP is NT5.1 and Win2k is NT5.0 They will be nearly identical in how they perform with &quot;legacy&quot; software. Win2k even has WinXP's vaunted compatibility mode tool now. And I don't think it helps one ioda with the NBA series.

MrWhiteUK:

<< 1. If I read correctly your saying if I upgrade to Win2k via student liscensing (which is called an upgrade but is actually the full product) I can get an UPGRADE to XP pro, but not if I only have Win98, I'll only be able to go to XP home edition then. >>

AFAIK you need Win2k or NT4 to upgrade to XP Pro, and Win98 will only let you upgrade to WinXP Home.



<< 2. What I'm getting at is would it be cheaper for me to buy the Win2k pro student upgrade (£50) AND the XP pro (student?) upgrade as oppoesed to the FULL version of XP pro? >>

Possibly....Win2k Pro Student + WinXP Pro Upgrade Student is probably cheaper than WinXP Pro Retail. But if you can get a student price on the full version of WinXP Pro then it's probably cheaper to not bother with Win2k at all.



<< edit: I've just read on that site you linked to that you CAN upgrade 95/98/ME to XP pro so if that is true let me rephrase question 2: >>

Hmm my apologies then. I was under the impression than Win95/98/ME/NT4/2k could all upgrade to home, but only NT4/2k could upgrade to Win XP Pro. Perhaps I'm mistaken.



<< Which will be cheaper

*Student Win2k (£50) PLUS XP pro(?student?) upgrade
OR
*XP pro (?student?) upgrade from my 98 disc
>>

If you can upgrade from Win98 to XP Pro and get a student license on XP Pro upgrade that's the cheapest option. Assuming you want XP Pro over 2k Pro.



<< Won't the disc to upgrade 98/ME to XP pro be the same £ as the disc to upgrade 2k pro to XP pro? >>

Probably with Win2k pro upgrade you can upgrade from Win95, 98, NT3.51 or NT4, all from the same CD. If you have a previous version of NT there is a $70US mail in rebate in the retail box. That way it's cheaper for NT3/4 to NT5 (2000) upgrade than from Win9x to 2000. But it is the same CD.



<< 3. Regarding all OS 'Upgrade' CD's do you need both discs (previous &amp; upgrade) for the installation or do you just install using the 'new' OS disc and it asks you for the serial no. of the 'old' os, make sense? The Win2K pro student upgrade says you need to have 95/98 but the actual 2K disc is the FULL version. I take it they'll just ask for the serial no. of my Win98 disc if I apply for this student liscence? >>

There are two ways to install an Upgrade version:
If you have the qualifying product installed, you just run the install and it will find it on your hard drive and go.

If you don't have the qualifying product installed, the above search will fail, and it will ask you to insert your previous Windows version CD. It will check the CD and then procede with the install.

Once install is over there is no way to tell the difference between and Upgrade and Full version, the only difference is that qualifying step in the setup procedure.

And the new OS has it's own key, you do not use your old OS key.



<< My Win98 came bundled with an old machine does this matter? I have a feeling I'm not even supposed to use the disc with my new machine (slaps wrist) >>

Yes...Microsoft licenses Windows to a Computer, not to a person. But if you are upgrader like me how do you decide when it's no longer the same PC?

I started with a Pentium200MMX with Win95 OSR2 OEM.
I swapped out my mobo and CPU for a K6-2/350 + board
I swapped out my 2Gig drive for a 6.4
I swapped out my PCI S3 video card for an AGP ATi
I added a Voodoo1
I added 32MB more RAM (64MB total)
I swapped out my ISA ESS sound card for an SBLive!
Bought a 9Gig, kept my 6 as a secondary drive
I bought a new ATX case because my AT case was too hard to work in.
I swapped out my ISA 56k modem for a PCI ethernet card
I swapped out my ATi+Voodoo1 for a Voodoo3
Replaced the 6 gig secondary with a 17gig.
I added 64MB more RAM (128MB total)
Upgrade to Win98SE
I bought a DVD ROM.
I swapped out my K6-2/350 and board for an Athlon 550.
I added a PCI TV-Tuner and Hollywood plus.
Replaced the 9gig main drive with a 30gig 75GXP
I added a CDRW and a promise Ultra100 because I have 5 IDE devices now
I upped the RAM to 256MB
Replaced the 17gig with a 45gig 75GXP
I swapped out the Voodoo3 for a Voodoo5
Upgrade to Win2000 Pro
I bought a Zip drive
Now I'm about to swap out my Athlon550, board and SDRAM for a Duron 750, new board and DDR.
Soon the V5 will go in favour of a Kyro2


Now certainly...my Duron 750 with 512MB of RAM a Kyro2, 75Gigs of hard drive space a DVDROM and a CDRW running Win2k will hardly resemble my P200Mmx with 32MB a PCI 64k video card a 2gig drive and no extra optical drives run Win95...

But at what point can you say it is a different PC?

So I say to hell with microsoft's licensing to a PC...blah on them ;)
 

MrWhiteUK

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If anyone can confirm all versions of win can be ugraded to XP pro I would be very grateful

Thanks for all yer help guys