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BD2003

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Originally posted by: Skypix7
Installed a temp copy of Vista (didn't activate) and Photoshop CS3. Vista seems to be such a resource hog that my Pentium 3.06 and 2 GB of pretty fast ram aren't enough to keep Photoshop from crashing. I've got a Geforce 6600 card, 256MB of ram on that, but poor Photoshop and Bridge are starved and keep crfashing or not displaying properly.

My new system arrives maybe Friday. It's got 8GB of DDR 667 and a quad 6600 chip. Hope that's enough!!!!

It doesnt sound like a resource problem, it sounds like an incompatibility with photoshop. I remember hearing something about CS3 not working properly out of box, and last I read, you need to launch the program in XP SP2 compatibility mode. (shortcut properties)
 

InflatableBuddha

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Great thread, lots of useful info. I'm helping my g/f's mom with purchasing a new PC (likely a Dell), for basic office use, and I think Vista will be the way to go.

One question - how do the integrated graphics solutions (Intel X3100/Geforce 6150LE, etc.) fare with AeroGlass? Just wondering if that's adequate or if a dedicated video card is recommended.

TIA.
 

aviwil

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I have an HP Pavillion dv6525ea , bought in June . It has the Intel X3100 . For the Aero , it would appear to be quite adequate , and for a non-gamer as me , seems to have quite enough display power - I once tried some online display check with 3D game type display - some haunted thing - cant remember the name - was quite OK . One complaint I do have is a problem , where the cursor suddenly jumps to a diferrent place on the screen - quite annoying - I suspect it's the X3100 - once talked to HP about it - vague answers as usual . Anyway I thought possibly a driver update could help . Intel some months ago posted a new release for this driver - however because HP has some 3rd party thing going here - have to take the new drivers from the HP site and they are still posting updates to the old release - pretty hopeless , as in the graphics boards game - it is well known that drivers can make a big difference . Their dedicated boards products don't have this problem , as I understand , and thus with a NVidia board you should have the latest drivers avaialble . For this reason , I will never again buy an integrated graphics solution .
 

InflatableBuddha

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Originally posted by: aviwil
I have an HP Pavillion dv6525ea , bought in June . It has the Intel X3100 . For the Aero , it would appear to be quite adequate , and for a non-gamer as me , seems to have quite enough display power - I once tried some online display check with 3D game type display - some haunted thing - cant remember the name - was quite OK . One complaint I do have is a problem , where the cursor suddenly jumps to a diferrent place on the screen - quite annoying - I suspect it's the X3100 - once talked to HP about it - vague answers as usual . Anyway I thought possibly a driver update could help . Intel some months ago posted a new release for this driver - however because HP has some 3rd party thing going here - have to take the new drivers from the HP site and they are still posting updates to the old release - pretty hopeless , as in the graphics boards game - it is well known that drivers can make a big difference . Their dedicated boards products don't have this problem , as I understand , and thus with a NVidia board you should have the latest drivers avaialble . For this reason , I will never again buy an integrated graphics solution .

Thanks for the reply. Sounds like IGPs will be powerful enough, so I will go with the Nvidia onboard graphics.
 

RyanPaulShaffer

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I decided to take the plunge into 64-bit land last night when I ordered Vista Home Premium 64-bit edition with my new computer parts last night. I've heard good and bad about 64-bit Vista. Is there anything really eye-opening that I need to watch out for? I know I will need 64-bit drivers, which is fine, but are there any other issues I need to be aware of?

My rig will be for mostly gaming, but I also want to use Adobe CS2 and Flash 8 on it. I also LOVE freeware, and use such awesome freeware programs as OpenOffice.org, AVG, ZoneAlarm, Ad-aware, CDBurnerXPPro, etc. Do any of these programs have issues with Vista 64? If any of them have issues, is there a solid freeware counterpart that works on Vista 64?

Any help would be appreciated! I'm looking forward to the jump "to the future" of 64-bit, but I'm a bit anxious as well.

Thanks!
 

konakona

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Originally posted by: MrWizard6600
Language help!

So, Im in Grade 11, and I decided french sucks (french being the default as I'm a Canadian... eh), so I opted for japanese.

Sooo with vista rubbing both its "ease of use" and it's "get your Ultimate Vista extras now" constantly in my face i decided to install the japanese language pack... well at the time i was also installing Visual Studios 2005 :confused: so the installation was choppy, windows explorer died on me, but the language package seemd to have installed just fine. So here I am trying to get the damn thing setup...

WTF? could it BEE more complicated? I think not... I have word 2007 (yeah I really really went all out on the software for this sucker) and I just cant figure it out. I've been round and round the help guide, the language bar, the translate (in word) option, help in word, round and round, and I Still cant figure it out.

Heres what I want: When I'm In word, I want to be able to enter stuff in Romagi, and have it come out in Hiragana or perhalps even a few Kanji characters (although i dont know too many so perhalps we should just stick to Hiragana.

For those who dont know:
Romaji is using english letters to create the sound of japanese. So I guess its best discribed as the pronounciation.
Hiraganna is the most simplistic form of Japanese that can really be considered Japanese. Its like spelling each word out individually. and via a simple google search, you can catch my drift by clicking this link.
Kanji are the thousands of complex characters that are sometimes shared with chinese. Herewould be the Kanji character for Spirit.
Katakana are characters for words that are not japanese in origon, and are imported from other languages. Forign names would be in Katakana in Japan.

so what i want to be able to do is enter the characters in english and ahve it come out with what i need in japanese. I dont really care how it gets around the Katakana just so long as I can put in Romaji and have it spit out japanese.

If anyone has any experiance with language packs please help me out. This would save me a world of time and effort (as typing it out on a keyboard will be a whole lot easier then drawing each character out individually).

good for you, I should have done the same and taken japanese instead of spanish in high school (3 years of good grades in high school spanish = cant speak a word in spanish)

In case the instructors in your class havn't told you, the japanese IME is the most common way to input japanese for us non-natives. In vista, you would find this under Control Panel -> Regional and Language Options -> Keyboards and Languages -> Change keyboards -> Add... -> Japanese - Microsoft IME

Since you can switch between english/japanese inputs in the IME, might as well make the japanese keyboard default and remove the english one.

Read on wikipedia for more details on IME. What the language pack in ultimate does, I assume, is just the localization of menus and whatnot. You could read/write japanese in IE/OE/messenger/word just fine without it, but when you want to install japanese programs (ie games, and I happen to have quite a few of those) you will have to set your non-unicode language to japanese. When this fails to work, you can try applocale; to have it properly installed in vista though, you would have to do it by manual run of the .msi in an administrator spawned cmd prompt. That should cover most programs out there except a few for which you really might need that language pack, or the localized version of the OS. Hope this helps.

Installed a temp copy of Vista (didn't activate) and Photoshop CS3. Vista seems to be such a resource hog that my Pentium 3.06 and 2 GB of pretty fast ram aren't enough to keep Photoshop from crashing. I've got a Geforce 6600 card, 256MB of ram on that, but poor Photoshop and Bridge are starved and keep crfashing or not displaying properly.

My new system arrives maybe Friday. It's got 8GB of DDR 667 and a quad 6600 chip. Hope that's enough!!!!

both my x64 and x86 run fine, but the former is noticeably smoother. I think you will be very happy with 8gb of ram.
 

TraumaRN

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So I have a windows wireless keyboard, actually the Intellipoint 5 series mouse and keyboard. I have a wired USB mouse + keyboard for initial system boot for my Vista x64 Home Premium which arrives next week. Now on microsofts website there is an update for the Intellipoint 5 series that is x64 bit. However it says its for XP only. So my question is the obvious one, will those drivers work for my mouse + keyboard on Vista? Or will I have to run it in XP SP2 compatibility mode??
 

BD2003

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Originally posted by: DeathBUA
So I have a windows wireless keyboard, actually the Intellipoint 5 series mouse and keyboard. I have a wired USB mouse + keyboard for initial system boot for my Vista x64 Home Premium which arrives next week. Now on microsofts website there is an update for the Intellipoint 5 series that is x64 bit. However it says its for XP only. So my question is the obvious one, will those drivers work for my mouse + keyboard on Vista? Or will I have to run it in XP SP2 compatibility mode??

I'm not sure whether the intellipoint software will work, but those have always just been utility programs, not drivers.

I've personally used an MS office keyboard (best KB ever) on Vista x64, even though it wasnt supported by any intellipoint software that runs on Vista. Some of the hotkeys didnt work, but that was to be expected without intellipoint.

Hell most of the time, I dont even bother installing that stuff. It'll just work out of the box, I'm sure of it.
 

TraumaRN

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Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: DeathBUA
So I have a windows wireless keyboard, actually the Intellipoint 5 series mouse and keyboard. I have a wired USB mouse + keyboard for initial system boot for my Vista x64 Home Premium which arrives next week. Now on microsofts website there is an update for the Intellipoint 5 series that is x64 bit. However it says its for XP only. So my question is the obvious one, will those drivers work for my mouse + keyboard on Vista? Or will I have to run it in XP SP2 compatibility mode??

I'm not sure whether the intellipoint software will work, but those have always just been utility programs, not drivers.

I've personally used an MS office keyboard (best KB ever) on Vista x64, even though it wasnt supported by any intellipoint software that runs on Vista. Some of the hotkeys didnt work, but that was to be expected without intellipoint.

Hell most of the time, I dont even bother installing that stuff. It'll just work out of the box, I'm sure of it.

Yea thats my only concern is that at least with XP the keyboard and mouse didnt work all that great until I installed the software. We'll see in a few days of course. And I have a wired USB mouse and wired USB keyboard that I know are just plug and play. Only reason for my concern is that since it's wireless you have to plug the wireless module into the two USB and/or PS/2 slots then windows auto-detects. Whether it wants to work at that point I'm not sure. But I do know for a fact with my XP build my wireless mouse and keyboard would NOT work in the BIOS unless I had Intellipoint installed.

 

BD2003

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Originally posted by: necromander83
I have created an automatic service and process killer; for vista. This saves over 200mb in vista and does it in secounds. Check it out guys; posted it in this forum Vista Game Tweak

Thats an awful idea.
 

chrysalis

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Hi read your guide, sorry for not reading replies tho.

The registry setting NtfsDisableLastAccessUpdate like you said in your guide I always assumed is needed for stuff such as prefetch and some defrag tools but I was very suprised to see that vista actually sets NtfsDisableLastAccessUpdate by default to a 1 value meaning it does not update the timestamp on file access. I have confirmed this by googling and seeing various people mention they see this set to 1 by default.

So you suggest leaving it at default as its required but this must not be the case since microsoft must deem it as a unneeded feature for desktop use.

In addition I have some comments regarding superfetch. After installing vista I had left the system up for a few days as I installed it on a test computer to get a feel for it my main workstation uses XP. The vista system is still a healthy spec amd 64 3500+ 2 gig of ram. Its main weakness been a nvidia 5500 card which has no proper drivers so I will be upgrading this at some point.

Anyway I noticed on every bootup the hd thrashed for a good 30 or so minutes at least I have remembered on a few occasions sitting there waiting for it to stop and wondering what its doing, I eventually gave up and started looking for the culprit, the new advanced task manager made this easy it wasnt the windows update check as I suspected but rather the service superfetch, disabling superfetch immediatly stopped the hd activity.

Your guide suggests superfetch will be busy for the first couple of days and then after be less irritating and only run for a few minutes at bootup my own experience is completely different it seems to thrash the hd indefenitly until the service is killed, the longest I sat waiting for it to finish of its own accord was 1 hour 40 minutes (what was it pre fetching?). To make it worse the system is clean there is no large apps installed microsoft office etc. there shouldnt be much to pre load into ram as all I am using the vista system for at the moment is web browsing with internet explorer.

The defrag seems according to my task scheduler runs once a week wednesday at 1am.

Thanks for the guide I found many parts useful.
 

BD2003

Lifer
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Originally posted by: chrysalis
Hi read your guide, sorry for not reading replies tho.

The registry setting NtfsDisableLastAccessUpdate like you said in your guide I always assumed is needed for stuff such as prefetch and some defrag tools but I was very suprised to see that vista actually sets NtfsDisableLastAccessUpdate by default to a 1 value meaning it does not update the timestamp on file access. I have confirmed this by googling and seeing various people mention they see this set to 1 by default.

So you suggest leaving it at default as its required but this must not be the case since microsoft must deem it as a unneeded feature for desktop use.

Thats news to me. I just assumed it was the same as in XP. If thats how it is default, thats how it should be left.


In addition I have some comments regarding superfetch. After installing vista I had left the system up for a few days as I installed it on a test computer to get a feel for it my main workstation uses XP. The vista system is still a healthy spec amd 64 3500+ 2 gig of ram. Its main weakness been a nvidia 5500 card which has no proper drivers so I will be upgrading this at some point.

Anyway I noticed on every bootup the hd thrashed for a good 30 or so minutes at least I have remembered on a few occasions sitting there waiting for it to stop and wondering what its doing, I eventually gave up and started looking for the culprit, the new advanced task manager made this easy it wasnt the windows update check as I suspected but rather the service superfetch, disabling superfetch immediatly stopped the hd activity.

Your guide suggests superfetch will be busy for the first couple of days and then after be less irritating and only run for a few minutes at bootup my own experience is completely different it seems to thrash the hd indefenitly until the service is killed, the longest I sat waiting for it to finish of its own accord was 1 hour 40 minutes (what was it pre fetching?). To make it worse the system is clean there is no large apps installed microsoft office etc. there shouldnt be much to pre load into ram as all I am using the vista system for at the moment is web browsing with internet explorer.

The defrag seems according to my task scheduler runs once a week wednesday at 1am.

Thanks for the guide I found many parts useful.

Thats unusual. When you boot, go to task manager and keep an eye on the memory section of the performance tab. Normal behavior - cached should keep rising until free is in single or near single digits. It takes about 2-3 mins for mine to fill.

Other than the initial cache, it should NEVER act up while youre at the PC. Its programmed to not change the contents of the cache until you havent used the mouse or kb for a few minutes. There are a few other processes that will kick in when youre idle - indexer, defrag, etc. Also, after installing an update, it seems to thrash for quite some time.

If you want to get some idea of what is being cached, look at the disk section of the reliability/performance monitor.
 

chrysalis

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thanks for your response. I will enable it again soon and watch to see what is been cached, the hd is also rated highly by the experience index above 5 so I dont think its poor enough to be an issue (sata 120gig only the os on it so not filled and fragmented).

In my opinion deliberatly loading up a cache until there is no free ram is probably not optimal behaviour I agree free ram is wasted ram but it should be cached naturally over time as things are loaded so in other words I prefer apps to load slow at there first run rather than pre loading something that may never be used. By deliberatly filling up the cache which on a 2 gig ram machine is probably about 1.5 gig of cache at bootup is not only going to take time but also going to have flush something immediatly when you load your first app/game.
 

BD2003

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Originally posted by: chrysalis
thanks for your response. I will enable it again soon and watch to see what is been cached, the hd is also rated highly by the experience index above 5 so I dont think its poor enough to be an issue (sata 120gig only the os on it so not filled and fragmented).

In my opinion deliberatly loading up a cache until there is no free ram is probably not optimal behaviour I agree free ram is wasted ram but it should be cached naturally over time as things are loaded so in other words I prefer apps to load slow at there first run rather than pre loading something that may never be used. By deliberatly filling up the cache which on a 2 gig ram machine is probably about 1.5 gig of cache at bootup is not only going to take time but also going to have flush something immediatly when you load your first app/game.

Well, the point is that its preloading those things that you would use, so the cache flushing isnt the issue it would otherwise be. Also, keep in mind theres really no reason to reboot unless a driver/update install forces you to. Use sleep mode instead, which will maintain the cache.

FWIW the sounds the disk are making are much worse than the actual impact on performance. I've fired up COD4 on my 4gb system, loaded at a normal speed, and played at 60fps without a hitch while it grinded away in the background for the next few mins.

Superfetch maintains a balance between frequently used and recently used data over time, and wont flush the cache with garbage while youre away. It keeps whats worth keeping. Theres really no good reason to turn it off unless you're experiencing some sort of bug.
 

XMan

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BD, any recommendations to speed up the Media Center interface? I've got an X2 4400+, 2GB PC3200, 7200RPM OS drive, 7200RPM Recorded TV drive, and Home Premium MC is often sluggish during navigation. Any advantages to using a ReadyBoost drive so far as MC is concerned?
 

BD2003

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Originally posted by: XMan
BD, any recommendations to speed up the Media Center interface? I've got an X2 4400+, 2GB PC3200, 7200RPM OS drive, 7200RPM Recorded TV drive, and Home Premium MC is often sluggish during navigation. Any advantages to using a ReadyBoost drive so far as MC is concerned?

What resolution and what video card are you using? I've found the vid card to be the real bottleneck. Its def not memory related, so readyboost wont help.
 

XMan

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8500GT @ 1366x768.

Weirdly enough just for giggles I threw a stick on it last night . . . and it's definitely sped up the interface of My Movies and the video library. Maybe it's caching the preview images on the Readyboost?
 

BD2003

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Originally posted by: XMan
8500GT @ 1366x768.

Weirdly enough just for giggles I threw a stick on it last night . . . and it's definitely sped up the interface of My Movies and the video library. Maybe it's caching the preview images on the Readyboost?

That should be fine, I have only an 8400gs at 1080p and the gfx are smooth as silk.

What exactly is sluggish then? The thumbnail popup, how long it takes to launch a movie after clicking? Are any of your files stored over the network?

The thumbnails are stored in a single file in each video directory. Readyboost shouldnt speed that up, because its a sequential read, if its not already cached in memory.

What else are you running in the background?
 

XMan

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Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: XMan
8500GT @ 1366x768.

Weirdly enough just for giggles I threw a stick on it last night . . . and it's definitely sped up the interface of My Movies and the video library. Maybe it's caching the preview images on the Readyboost?

That should be fine, I have only an 8400gs at 1080p and the gfx are smooth as silk.

What exactly is sluggish then? The thumbnail popup, how long it takes to launch a movie after clicking? Are any of your files stored over the network?

The thumbnails are stored in a single file in each video directory. Readyboost shouldnt speed that up, because its a sequential read, if its not already cached in memory.

What else are you running in the background?

Video library is somewhat slow (90+ videos) as well as the My Movies plug-in (180+ DVD's).

The behavior would be, click on video library or My Movies, and once the system loaded the screen the remote would stop working for a second. Don't know if it has something to do with the video preview images, or what. Once it finally gets working, it's very fast. The DVD's and videos are stored on a server with a gigabit connection between the two.

The system is a dedicated HTPC. IIRC the only programs installed are FFDShow, the wireless keyboard software, AVG, and a couple of games. It's the cleanest Add Remove Programs window I've ever seen. ;)
 

BD2003

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Originally posted by: XMan
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: XMan
8500GT @ 1366x768.

Weirdly enough just for giggles I threw a stick on it last night . . . and it's definitely sped up the interface of My Movies and the video library. Maybe it's caching the preview images on the Readyboost?

That should be fine, I have only an 8400gs at 1080p and the gfx are smooth as silk.

What exactly is sluggish then? The thumbnail popup, how long it takes to launch a movie after clicking? Are any of your files stored over the network?

The thumbnails are stored in a single file in each video directory. Readyboost shouldnt speed that up, because its a sequential read, if its not already cached in memory.

What else are you running in the background?

Video library is somewhat slow (90+ videos) as well as the My Movies plug-in (180+ DVD's).

The behavior would be, click on video library or My Movies, and once the system loaded the screen the remote would stop working for a second. Don't know if it has something to do with the video preview images, or what. Once it finally gets working, it's very fast. The DVD's and videos are stored on a server with a gigabit connection between the two.

The system is a dedicated HTPC. IIRC the only programs installed are FFDShow, the wireless keyboard software, AVG, and a couple of games. It's the cleanest Add Remove Programs window I've ever seen. ;)

I think thats your issue, as I have the same problem. Sometimes it can lock up for 30 seconds or more for me. MCE seems to not deal with networked files very well. MCE really begins to fall apart when you do ANYTHING that it outside of the narrow vision intended by microsoft. They dont want you to pick a folder on a server, they want the server to enable "media sharing" and broadcast its WMP library to you etc. Its not the transfer rate thats really the issue, it just seems like its stuck searching for something that isnt there, finally gives up, and returns control back to you.

If you dont use MCE for recording or tuning TV, at which it does very well at, you should take a look at alternatives such as mediaportal. I've found MCE to be so horrendous at loading, displaying and organizing anything but live and recorded TV that I launch it from withtin MP whenever I want to watch TV, and close it immedately afterwards. MP is a trillion times better dealing with non-tv video.
 

XMan

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Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: XMan
Originally posted by: BD2003
Originally posted by: XMan
8500GT @ 1366x768.

Weirdly enough just for giggles I threw a stick on it last night . . . and it's definitely sped up the interface of My Movies and the video library. Maybe it's caching the preview images on the Readyboost?

That should be fine, I have only an 8400gs at 1080p and the gfx are smooth as silk.

What exactly is sluggish then? The thumbnail popup, how long it takes to launch a movie after clicking? Are any of your files stored over the network?

The thumbnails are stored in a single file in each video directory. Readyboost shouldnt speed that up, because its a sequential read, if its not already cached in memory.

What else are you running in the background?

Video library is somewhat slow (90+ videos) as well as the My Movies plug-in (180+ DVD's).

The behavior would be, click on video library or My Movies, and once the system loaded the screen the remote would stop working for a second. Don't know if it has something to do with the video preview images, or what. Once it finally gets working, it's very fast. The DVD's and videos are stored on a server with a gigabit connection between the two.

The system is a dedicated HTPC. IIRC the only programs installed are FFDShow, the wireless keyboard software, AVG, and a couple of games. It's the cleanest Add Remove Programs window I've ever seen. ;)

I think thats your issue, as I have the same problem. Sometimes it can lock up for 30 seconds or more for me. MCE seems to not deal with networked files very well. MCE really begins to fall apart when you do ANYTHING that it outside of the narrow vision intended by microsoft. They dont want you to pick a folder on a server, they want the server to enable "media sharing" and broadcast its WMP library to you etc. Its not the transfer rate thats really the issue, it just seems like its stuck searching for something that isnt there, finally gives up, and returns control back to you.

If you dont use MCE for recording or tuning TV, at which it does very well at, you should take a look at alternatives such as mediaportal. I've found MCE to be so horrendous at loading, displaying and organizing anything but live and recorded TV that I launch it from withtin MP whenever I want to watch TV, and close it immedately afterwards. MP is a trillion times better dealing with non-tv video.

Four SD tuners, and four HD tuners. So unfortunately I'm stuck. ;)