Windows Vista Tweaks/Performance FAQ Thread *LONG*

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GreenArrow2k4

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Need some advise from you guys.

I've a Dell 9300 running WinXP Pro. Possible to have Vista on this system? Should I upgrade the ram to 2G and a 120G hd? Will ReadyBoost work?

Thanks for reading. A noob here.
 

Schadenfroh

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Originally posted by: GreenArrow2k4
Need some advise from you guys.

I've a Dell 9300 running WinXP Pro. Possible to have Vista on this system? Should I upgrade the ram to 2G and a 120G hd? Will ReadyBoost work?

Thanks for reading. A noob here.

#Intel Pentium M Processor 750 (1.86 GHz/2MB Cache/533MHz FSB)-Sonoma
# 512 MB Dual-Channel 533 FSB RAM
# 80 GB (5400 RPM hard drive)
# Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
# 17 inch UltraSharp Wide Screen XGA+ Display (without TruLife, and it is a Samsung screen)
# Intel PRO/Wireless 2200 Internal Wireless (802.11 b/g, 54Mbps)
# 256MB NVIDIA GeForce Go 6800
# Integrated 10/100 Network Card and Modem
# 24X CD Burner/DVD Combo Drive
# 6-cell Lithium Ion Primary Battery (53 WHr)
# 2Yr Ltd Warranty, 2Yr At-Home Service, and 2Yr Technical Support

Bump that 512mb RAM up to 1gb and you should be good to go with Vista (although, I would go with 2gb if you are going to be doing RAM intensive tasks like playing modern games at high resolutions)
 

zixxer

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tag, and thanks for writing this up.

(reminder to check out synctoy, last time I played with the vista backup it wouldn't let me simply back up two or three folders.. it was an all or nothin sort of deal.)

Also, any news of the image resizer powertoy for vista?
 

Synomenon

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I have an eSATA drive I'd like to put the swap file on. How do I do this? Is it best to move the swap file right after Vista Ultimate x64 finishes installing?
 

jqbomb

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I've been running Vista Home Premium for all of 2 days on a rig I just purchased from the Dell Outlet. The specs were very impressive for the price, and some friends has purchased systems from them in the past without issue.

I'm having big problems with Vista and I'm not sure what's wrong. I'm a bit of a pc enthusiast, not exactly an expert but I know more than 90% of the population. The specs are good, and based on conversations with a friend it seems like I should be running Vista just fine.

My rig's got a E6600, 2 gigs of ram, 8800 GTX 768mb card, 160gig 10k rpm drive. It was refurbished by Dell.

I boot the thing up last night, and it's trouble from the start. I haven't really even been able to use it. IE/FF/AIM and even basic Windows functions like the Control Panel and other Explorer Windows frequently become unstable and stop responding for periods of time. I can try and bring up the Task Manager, but sometimes that takes a few seconds, it's definitely. This afternoon I did a clean install of Vista, and the problems continue.

At idle, the machine is running at 14% CPU load and 33% Memory Load.

Any ideas how to diagnose what's wrong? Or should I go ahead and ship it back?
 

BD2003

Lifer
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Originally posted by: IsLNdbOi
I have an eSATA drive I'd like to put the swap file on. How do I do this? Is it best to move the swap file right after Vista Ultimate x64 finishes installing?

I wouldnt bother, simply for that fact that the gains will be outweighed by the negatives. Your system probably wont be able to boot at all if you don't have that drive plugged in.
 

bf2soldier

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Originally posted by: BD2003
[*]Superfetch
For a game which you play frequently, level loads will be MUCH faster.
Not always. I did some testing with Battlefield 2 on E6600, 2GB mem, WD raptor, 8800GTX, 64bit vista, 1600x1200 4AA max ql. With superfetch game starts abouts 3 seconds faster, first level loads about 5 seconds faster, but after that every map change is 5-12 seconds slower (on punkbuster enabled server). If you 5 seconds slower than your team mates, you wont be flying helicopter during first round. :(
 

BD2003

Lifer
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Originally posted by: bf2soldier
Originally posted by: BD2003
[*]Superfetch
For a game which you play frequently, level loads will be MUCH faster.
Not always. I did some testing with Battlefield 2 on E6600, 2GB mem, WD raptor, 8800GTX, 64bit vista, 1600x1200 4AA max ql. With superfetch game starts abouts 3 seconds faster, first level loads about 5 seconds faster, but after that every map change is 5-12 seconds slower (on punkbuster enabled server). If you 5 seconds slower than your team mates, you wont be flying helicopter during first round. :(

What makes you think that superfetch is the issue? It's just a file cache in ram, the fastest possible place it could be. Have you actually timed this the service completely disabled?

You certainly dont have enough memory to preload EVERY level, and after the game is loaded, there's little room left for leftover cache. Which means you'll just be loading the level from the HD like everyone else. You're probably not the only one with a raptor. :p
 

bf2soldier

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Originally posted by: BD2003
What makes you think that superfetch is the issue? It's just a file cache in ram, the fastest possible place it could be. Have you actually timed this the service completely disabled?

You certainly dont have enough memory to preload EVERY level, and after the game is loaded, there's little room left for leftover cache. Which means you'll just be loading the level from the HD like everyone else. You're probably not the only one with a raptor. :p

I tested with superfetch disabled and enabled, and although my testing method is far from scientific, difference is quite clear. System uses about 1,5GB memory, so about 500MB is left for cache. During map change about 180MB mem is freed and cpu is almost idle, so god only knows how many background processes are launched. Map change has 2 parts: loading and verifying client data. It's actually the verifying part that takes longer with superfetch enabled and i can hear lot of hard disk churning.

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/7122/perfqw8.jpg
 

BD2003

Lifer
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Originally posted by: bf2soldier
Originally posted by: BD2003
What makes you think that superfetch is the issue? It's just a file cache in ram, the fastest possible place it could be. Have you actually timed this the service completely disabled?

You certainly dont have enough memory to preload EVERY level, and after the game is loaded, there's little room left for leftover cache. Which means you'll just be loading the level from the HD like everyone else. You're probably not the only one with a raptor. :p

I tested with superfetch disabled and enabled, and although my testing method is far from scientific, difference is quite clear. System uses about 1,5GB memory, so about 500MB is left for cache. During map change about 180MB mem is freed and cpu is almost idle, so god only knows how many background processes are launched. Map change has 2 parts: loading and verifying client data. It's actually the verifying part that takes longer with superfetch enabled and i can hear lot of hard disk churning.

http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/7122/perfqw8.jpg

Thats strange...it's always churned on the verifying data no matter how much ram I had, but it doesnt even take me more than a few seconds to actually get through that verification.
 

matas

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would it be worth it to install vista on a single core 2.93ghz cpu and 1500mb ram computer?
x800xl vid card
 

BD2003

Lifer
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Originally posted by: matas
would it be worth it to install vista on a single core 2.93ghz cpu and 1500mb ram computer?
x800xl vid card

Thats far and above the requirements and it'll run great - whether or not its worth it to pay for vista is up to you to decide.
 

matas

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I want to ask you what is the difference between x32 x64 x86 versions or something like that? Isn't that your motherboards speed..?
Anyway, I'm looking forward in buying vista, because I'm tired of windows xp environment. But, I'm not leaning towards of getting it because I'm a pc gamer. I might have some issues with games and lower fps an usual, vista using more resources.
 

videopho

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New Vista 64 prem user and besides some very minor glitches here and there (as expected with any new OS and mostly operator errors)
In fact way better than my previous experiences with x64 OS.
All hardware and software (games, apps, utilties etc.) are running in great shape or should I add a little of "faster speed" too.
One thing I should note that Vista is one memory resource hog. 4gb of dram is barely enough to get by for now.
Otherwise, I'm very happy to say that "I love it!".
 

nova2

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@matas:
some of the differences between vista 32 and 64 include:

> vista x64 can only install x64 (64bit) drivers, so if say your soundcard maker has only released x86 (32bit) drivers, your screwed, unless you are able to use other alternative drivers and some are quite good.

> vista x64 by default is made to deny installation of non-signed (by microsoft) drivers, however it is possible to disable this.

> vista x64 can utilize more then 4gb of physical memory.

 

Cutthroat

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Great guide, you caught me with a couple things I automatically tweak out of habit that maybe I shouldn't have.

I know a way to modify the behavior of system restore via the the task scheduler, it should also work with any other task that you don't like the behavior of and would like to change. If you export the task, then delete it, then import a new task and point it to what you exported, now you can edit it the way you like. It bothered me that system restore ran at every logon, so I had to stop that.
 

aviwil

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I am not claiming to be an expert , but I thought it may be of interest to add what I found after a lot of mucking around . The Vista comes with Defender ( for Spyware , I understand ) and also a Firewall . My laptop came with Norton Internet Security preinstalled , and I finally was told by Norton that these 2 ( Defender and Firewall ) should be disabled , as they can clash with the NIS . The defender should ( I think ) be disabled from MSconfig ( Startup Tab ) as well .
If someone disagrees , I'd be interested to hear about it .
Thanks .
 

Cutthroat

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Originally posted by: aviwil
I am not claiming to be an expert , but I thought it may be of interest to add what I found after a lot of mucking around . The Vista comes with Defender ( for Spyware , I understand ) and also a Firewall . My laptop came with Norton Internet Security preinstalled , and I finally was told by Norton that these 2 ( Defender and Firewall ) should be disabled , as they can clash with the NIS . The defender should ( I think ) be disabled from MSconfig ( Startup Tab ) as well .
If someone disagrees , I'd be interested to hear about it .
Thanks .

You'd be better off using Windows Firewall and Windows Defender than Norton. Norton will do more harm than good in the end.
 

BD2003

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Originally posted by: Cutthroat
Originally posted by: aviwil
I am not claiming to be an expert , but I thought it may be of interest to add what I found after a lot of mucking around . The Vista comes with Defender ( for Spyware , I understand ) and also a Firewall . My laptop came with Norton Internet Security preinstalled , and I finally was told by Norton that these 2 ( Defender and Firewall ) should be disabled , as they can clash with the NIS . The defender should ( I think ) be disabled from MSconfig ( Startup Tab ) as well .
If someone disagrees , I'd be interested to hear about it .
Thanks .

You'd be better off using Windows Firewall and Windows Defender than Norton. Norton will do more harm than good in the end.

Absolutely. Norton is utter trash. Use windows firewall and defender for fw/spyware, and download the free aol avs (Kapersky) for virus scan.
 

z0mb13

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I will buy a new laptop soon, and it will come with vista home basic (OEM version). Is this good enough? Should I upgrade to Home Premium? How much is it to upgrade to Premium from OEM basic?

TIA
 

Skypix7

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Installed a temp copy of Vista (didn't activate) and Photoshop CS3. Vista seems to be such a resource hog that my Pentium 3.06 and 2 GB of pretty fast ram aren't enough to keep Photoshop from crashing. I've got a Geforce 6600 card, 256MB of ram on that, but poor Photoshop and Bridge are starved and keep crfashing or not displaying properly.

My new system arrives maybe Friday. It's got 8GB of DDR 667 and a quad 6600 chip. Hope that's enough!!!!