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[Robor]

Originally posted by: nweaver
The T42 is linux certified, that means that is works under Suse, TurboLinux, and RHEL.

My company did the linux certified testing for IBM/Lenovo, and there were no issues with it. Just because YOU can't do it, doesn't make it hard...


And I gave an example of H/W Support. Give me an example installing windows versus a desktop install of linux that H/W support is worse on linux.

Uh, I just did. Maybe you're missing my point? I'm currently using Fedora Core 4, NOT Suse, TurboLinux, or RHEL, and my wireless adapter is not supported by default. It was in Ubuntu but it isn't in FC4. Oh, and it's either supported in XP or if not a 5 minute process start to finish including search, config, reboot.

 

[nweaver]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: nweaver
The T42 is linux certified, that means that is works under Suse, TurboLinux, and RHEL.

My company did the linux certified testing for IBM/Lenovo, and there were no issues with it. Just because YOU can't do it, doesn't make it hard...


And I gave an example of H/W Support. Give me an example installing windows versus a desktop install of linux that H/W support is worse on linux.

Uh, I just did. Maybe you're missing my point? I'm currently using Fedora Core 4, NOT Suse, TurboLinux, or RHEL, and my wireless adapter is not supported by default. It was in Ubuntu but it isn't in FC4. Oh, and it's either supported in XP or if not a 5 minute process start to finish including search, config, reboot.

Ok, so I can now name several distro's (Suse, Ubuntu, SimpleMepis) where the time to install is: 0
versus your windows XP, which is 5


now, does your 5 include huntind down NIC drivers? Many gig nics don't have ethernet drivers on a fresh xp install.

if you insist on using FC4 (which, btw, is my least favorite distro, so I'm somewhat biased) then I will insist on changing to Windows98 for comparison! (j/k)

If wireless doesn't float your boat, how about SATA. I can install linux without hitting f6. Do you have any idea how long it would take me to track down a floppy drive, put he drivers on a floppy, put drive in my case so that I can install my OS on my top of the line computer?

Point being, to say that XP has a "Greater range of H/W support" is just being uniformed, and wrong. Linux has MUCH better H/W Support, out of box, then XP.

 

[sourceninja]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: nweaver
The T42 is linux certified, that means that is works under Suse, TurboLinux, and RHEL.

My company did the linux certified testing for IBM/Lenovo, and there were no issues with it. Just because YOU can't do it, doesn't make it hard...


And I gave an example of H/W Support. Give me an example installing windows versus a desktop install of linux that H/W support is worse on linux.

Uh, I just did. Maybe you're missing my point? I'm currently using Fedora Core 4, NOT Suse, TurboLinux, or RHEL, and my wireless adapter is not supported by default. It was in Ubuntu but it isn't in FC4. Oh, and it's either supported in XP or if not a 5 minute process start to finish including search, config, reboot.

Ahh the beleif that all linux is linux. Its not, linux is a kernel. A OS is built that uses that kernel. Debian/redhat/gentoo/mandrake/etc these are OS's. Each one is different because they are different opperating systems with different goals. Sure they are similar, but you can't say it should work in linux. If you want support then BUY a supported OS such as suse, redhat, etc just like you bought windows. Otherwise you can suck it up and do the research.

Linux is not like windows, it targets many different platforms and can be put together in many different ways. This is not a dissadvantage, its an advantage. I can build a system that is a 486 and make it run linux. Can you install XP on a 486? Is that a flaw with windows xp? I can use the newest hardware on linux (AMD64 and nvidia 7800). But I did my search on which distro was best supported for my hardware choices. Every single piece of hardware I have works 100% in linux, and its all less then 1 year old.

Anyways, installing and configuring an OS is not ment for 'normal' users. I know dell could take a good linux distro and build an image to put on their pc's that works 100%. Windows is not so easy. Trust me, I've watched people at this college try to learn windows. Its hard as hell for most people. I've actually seen some of these people in our unix/linux class, and they still have a hard time. But once you know how to launch a browser, email, office suite, etc and how to install the apps you might be missing then it requires the exact same skill level as a normal windows user.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: Gatecrusher

Originally posted by: Malak
Microsoft doesn't invade your privacy, and none of your complaints are valid. People tend to hate just to hate. Get over it.

Whatever man. I dont hate,just worried about the direction the whole thing seems to be heading. and how can u be so sure its not or will not happen anyway?
If you disagree with me thats ok, but I got my opinion on things. Now You get over that.

Microsoft can scan my entire system every night while I'm asleep for all I care. Do you have something to hide? Then you deserve to get caught. If not, then I have a quote for you:

"Damn U.S. Government? Without our government, you'd be stuck in Siberia now, suckin' the juice from a rotten Commie potato. Lemme tell you something. If the U.S. Government decides to stick a tracking device up your ass you say "Thank you and God bless America."

:roll:

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Robor
You've just made my point. Microsoft is not going to change the way their OS works just for that reason. They are where they are because their OS is easy to use and well supported. My point is the current install/use of Windows is *much* easier than Linux. Period. BTW, I'm posting this from Fedora Core 4. Is it easy to install? Pretty much yes. Is it as easy to install as Windows? No. Is it as easy to use as Windows? Absolutely not. Not even close. And I don't hate Linux.

You're right, it's easier.

Oh.
Wait.
Does that mean all this crap is subjective? 😕

 

[Robor]

I may come across as bashing Linux and I'm really not trying to do that. All I'm saying is (in my experience) it's much more difficult to get up and running than WinXP. Also, when you do run into a problem it's more difficult to troubleshoot. Why? Well, with Windows you get an error, Google it, and usually find dozens of hits of people with similar problems and solutions. With Linux the pool of questions/answers to draw from is much smaller simply because Linux has a fraction of the market. Maybe that will change but IMO it's not going to happen until there's a standardized release with *official* hardware and software support.

 

[doornail]

Originally posted by: Malak
"Damn U.S. Government? Without our government, you'd be stuck in Siberia now, suckin' the juice from a rotten Commie potato. Lemme tell you something. If the U.S. Government decides to stick a tracking device up your ass you say "Thank you and God bless America."

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

- Declaration of Independance

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: nweaver
The T42 is linux certified, that means that is works under Suse, TurboLinux, and RHEL.

My company did the linux certified testing for IBM/Lenovo, and there were no issues with it. Just because YOU can't do it, doesn't make it hard...


And I gave an example of H/W Support. Give me an example installing windows versus a desktop install of linux that H/W support is worse on linux.

Uh, I just did. Maybe you're missing my point? I'm currently using Fedora Core 4, NOT Suse, TurboLinux, or RHEL, and my wireless adapter is not supported by default. It was in Ubuntu but it isn't in FC4. Oh, and it's either supported in XP or if not a 5 minute process start to finish including search, config, reboot.

IIRC, Intel has a seperate firmware for their wireless adapters (not built into the card). They don't let free OSes distribute the firmware without signing something, which is an action a lot of free OSes won't do. So this could be a licensing issue.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Robor
I may come across as bashing Linux and I'm really not trying to do that. All I'm saying is (in my experience) it's much more difficult to get up and running than WinXP. Also, when you do run into a problem it's more difficult to troubleshoot. Why? Well, with Windows you get an error, Google it, and usually find dozens of hits of people with similar problems and solutions. With Linux the pool of questions/answers to draw from is much smaller simply because Linux has a fraction of the market. Maybe that will change but IMO it's not going to happen until there's a standardized release with *official* hardware and software support.

Use RHES. It's fairly standard.

I've found the errors under unix-like systems much better than the cryptic things you (sometimes) get under Windows. Most of the time I'm troubleshooting Windows blind because the error is useless.

 

[nweaver]

Originally posted by: doornail

Originally posted by: Malak
"Damn U.S. Government? Without our government, you'd be stuck in Siberia now, suckin' the juice from a rotten Commie potato. Lemme tell you something. If the U.S. Government decides to stick a tracking device up your ass you say "Thank you and God bless America."

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

- Declaration of Independance

There are many people who will have never read this statement, and there are even more who forget that the United States Goverment exists TO PRESERVER MY LIBERTIES...not to "give me what they think I want/need/should have". I think there are probably elected national politicians who have failed to read the Declaration of Independance, the Bill of Rights, and the Constitiution, the fundementals. I was suprised when we never studied those in depth (really, at all) in my high school Goverment class.

Anyway, this is probably a bit OT 🙂, but I would thank you for the reminder.

 

[nweaver]

Originally posted by: Robor
I may come across as bashing Linux and I'm really not trying to do that. All I'm saying is (in my experience) it's much more difficult to get up and running than WinXP. Also, when you do run into a problem it's more difficult to troubleshoot. Why? Well, with Windows you get an error, Google it, and usually find dozens of hits of people with similar problems and solutions. With Linux the pool of questions/answers to draw from is much smaller simply because Linux has a fraction of the market. Maybe that will change but IMO it's not going to happen until there's a standardized release with *official* hardware and software support.

linuxquestions.org is decent for answers, but even better is google, or the Gentoo forums (gentoo has found/solved every possible error)

 

[Gatecrusher]

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: Gatecrusher

Originally posted by: Malak
Microsoft doesn't invade your privacy, and none of your complaints are valid. People tend to hate just to hate. Get over it.

Whatever man. I dont hate,just worried about the direction the whole thing seems to be heading. and how can u be so sure its not or will not happen anyway?
If you disagree with me thats ok, but I got my opinion on things. Now You get over that.

Microsoft can scan my entire system every night while I'm asleep for all I care. Do you have something to hide? Then you deserve to get caught. If not, then I have a quote for you:

"Damn U.S. Government? Without our government, you'd be stuck in Siberia now, suckin' the juice from a rotten Commie potato. Lemme tell you something. If the U.S. Government decides to stick a tracking device up your ass you say "Thank you and God bless America."

hmm alright man, aperently you are just an idiot, thats ok it happens.

 

[stash]

I think there are probably elected national politicians who have failed to read the Declaration of Independance, the Bill of Rights, and the Constitiution, the fundementals

Apologies for the OT, but the key word in that sentence is elected. These fools get into office because too many Americans don't have any clue about what the issues are, where they stand on them, and where the politicians stand on them.

 

[Brazen]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Gatecrusher
Lucky there are people unlike you that care, that got the whole thing in the open...

Unlike me? I'm using Free software. Most of the software I use is licensed so that no one can tell me I can't use it, and a lot of it is licensed so that no one can tell me how I use it (some of it has little restrictions, but not bad ones). So yes, I care. And unlike you, I've done something about it.

This guy is just trying to get help to do the same thing. Why you being such a dick about it?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Brazen

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: Gatecrusher
Lucky there are people unlike you that care, that got the whole thing in the open...

Unlike me? I'm using Free software. Most of the software I use is licensed so that no one can tell me I can't use it, and a lot of it is licensed so that no one can tell me how I use it (some of it has little restrictions, but not bad ones). So yes, I care. And unlike you, I've done something about it.

This guy is just trying to get help to do the same thing. Why you being such a dick about it?

:roll:

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: Robor
I may come across as bashing Linux and I'm really not trying to do that. .

Don't worry. Everybody is entitled to opinion and these forums are the specific place to set aside for discussing them.

Hell, all of us probably are able to get along well with people who have a much larger differences in opinion then just their OS preferences. 🙂

 

[nweaver]

Microsoft can scan my entire system every night while I'm asleep for all I care. Do you have something to hide? Then you deserve to get caught. If not, then I have a quote for you:

"Damn U.S. Government? Without our government, you'd be stuck in Siberia now, suckin' the juice from a rotten Commie potato. Lemme tell you something. If the U.S. Government decides to stick a tracking device up your ass you say "Thank you and God bless America."

So you also don't mind if the FBI wiretaps your internet, listens to your calls, and searches your house/car whenever they feel like it, because hey, you got nothing to hide.

Please read the bill of rights. It's my right to have privacy, and I prefer to RETAIN that right, regardless of what I am doing.

 

[drag]

Originally posted by: nweaver

Microsoft can scan my entire system every night while I'm asleep for all I care. Do you have something to hide? Then you deserve to get caught. If not, then I have a quote for you:

"Damn U.S. Government? Without our government, you'd be stuck in Siberia now, suckin' the juice from a rotten Commie potato. Lemme tell you something. If the U.S. Government decides to stick a tracking device up your ass you say "Thank you and God bless America."

So you also don't mind if the FBI wiretaps your internet, listens to your calls, and searches your house/car whenever they feel like it, because hey, you got nothing to hide.

Please read the bill of rights. It's my right to have privacy, and I prefer to RETAIN that right, regardless of what I am doing.

Personally I don't like complete strangers going through my stuff. I don't give a crap who they work for, either some big corporation or the FBI or whoever. They all can go screw themselves for all I care.