Windows 8/Metro Firefox is now official dead

[ictguy]

Call me when the 21st century's non-browser UIs can match the browser's, on average.

and thus marking the beginning of the death of the browsers.

it won't be a quick death, but the first signs are here, which is the death of the plugins. plugins will die first. when they die the websites will start the road to permanent death and thus the need for a stupid browser, which is nothing but a door to vulnerabilities.

 

[ictguy]

Yet you seem to have quite the disdain for keyboards and mice... "dinosaur box with a mouse and a keyboard."

every device needs input, even tablets.

A box is a dinosaur device.

 

[ictguy]

Yet you seem to have quite the disdain for keyboards and mice... "dinosaur box with a mouse and a keyboard."

and this is the way I'm posting on here right now. Totally trumps any Anadtech ugly forum website experience.

 

[pw257008]

going from the browser to the app is good for those who want to control your experience, and those who want their experiences controlled and limited. if i'm on nyt, or anandtech, on a pc with a browser, i can see something that interests me, or strikes me as wrong, etc, open up a new browser tab, google it in the searchbar, and open up the wikipedia page on it (or a foreign policy article on it, reuters' latest update on it, the review at ars technica, etc). the experience is nowhere close to that smooth in an app based world. apps are nice on 4-5 inch screens. some things, like games, have always been apps, and there's nothing new about running angry birds as an app (you ran doom the same way). certain things make sense. yes, banking might make sense, from a security standpoint. but in many ways, apps make life less convenient, not more convenient, at least for infovores (which most forum-goers are, and infovores are a phenomenon of the present era, not a relic of the past).

 

[Morbus]

Like I said, this is just true for you as you're using a dinosaur box with a mouse and a keyboard. The future of the internet is not to be accessed by a browser. That's just your old thinking unwilling to let go. One day we will look at computers like that huge box you describe in your signature and laugh our asses off.

Once you join the 21st century, you'll see the experience is totally different.

You present your opinion well, but prove absolutely no argument to back it up or justify it.

Why is a browser not the way to go? Do you believe that, in the future, we'll have less sites and browse the web any less than we do today?

It is one thing to defend we're getting more and more application dependent, and we are, and that kind of makes sense. If we use something a lot, we want it to work on its own. We wouldn't want to use the browse to call someone on the phone, we we? Much the same way we don't want to use the browser to access web 2.0 websites, like Facebook. But in the end, the web is much more than those sites, and I don't see how a browser is gonna get any less relevant. It's only gonna get more and more important as the market specializes itself and builds up the niche corners of attention individual sites and services will crave for.

and thus marking the beginning of the death of the browsers.

it won't be a quick death, but the first signs are here, which is the death of the plugins. plugins will die first. when they die the websites will start the road to permanent death and thus the need for a stupid browser, which is nothing but a door to vulnerabilities.

I apologize for the first part of my post. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You might as well argue the earth is flat because Sean Connery is a man, and as such birds would never lay purple eggs with black squares all over their shells.

 

[ictguy]

going from the browser to the app is good for those who want to control your experience, and those who want their experiences controlled and limited. if i'm on nyt, or anandtech, on a pc with a browser, i can see something that interests me, or strikes me as wrong, etc, open up a new browser tab, google it in the searchbar, and open up the wikipedia page on it (or a foreign policy article on it, reuters' latest update on it, the review at ars technica, etc). the experience is nowhere close to that smooth in an app based world. apps are nice on 4-5 inch screens. some things, like games, have always been apps, and there's nothing new about running angry birds as an app (you ran doom the same way). certain things make sense. yes, banking might make sense, from a security standpoint. but in many ways, apps make life less convenient, not more convenient, at least for infovores (which most forum-goers are, and infovores are a phenomenon of the present era, not a relic of the past).

hahaha..



Like the web designer isn't controlling your experience?



Yes. You can search with a browser. Thanks for the tip.



if you want to read the news, there's NO website like the Flipboard app on Windows 8.1. That is THE best experience for reading news,

 

[ictguy]

You present your opinion well, but prove absolutely no argument to back it up or justify it.



Why is a browser not the way to go? Do you believe that, in the future, we'll have less sites and browse the web any less than we do today?



It is one thing to defend we're getting more and more application dependent, and we are, and that kind of makes sense. If we use something a lot, we want it to work on its own. We wouldn't want to use the browse to call someone on the phone, we we? Much the same way we don't want to use the browser to access web 2.0 websites, like Facebook. But in the end, the web is much more than those sites, and I don't see how a browser is gonna get any less relevant. It's only gonna get more and more important as the market specializes itself and builds up the niche corners of attention individual sites and services will crave for.







I apologize for the first part of my post. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You might as well argue the earth is flat because Sean Connery is a man, and as such birds would never lay purple eggs with black squares all over their shells.

Sorry, but you're wrong.


A browser isn't going to get any more relevant.

The internet will not be something that you go in and experience through a browser. We can see that happening more and more right now.


Second, there is no such thing as "Web 2.0", it's a made up term that really means nothing. Computer professionals laugh at that term.


I know about what I'm talking about than you do. You don't know me at all. You just don't understand what I'm saying because you have very limited knowledge on the subject.

Here is Harrison Weber, designer and Editor in NYC for The Next Web saying THE EXACT SAME THING I'm telling you. Read it and then tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.

Web & native apps are the future & the browser will never be the same


like I said before, most of you guys posting here are locked inside the Cooler Master Box sitting next to you and because you have limited technology knowledge, you can't see a future without a browser.

If there's an area of Technology that is and will keep advancing is the internet. The Internet is probably the single most important area of innovation in technology.

If you think the future is you sitting at home browsing on Firefox then you are really proving you know nothing of technology.

 

[Cerb]

What are these awesome powerful websites you're talking about? So far all you've done is talk.

I can say the same for you. Take Amazon, IMDB, most any bank, or most any insurance company. How many apps give the full functionality the web site currently offers?

FI, if I'm looking at a movie, I've noticed that regardless of rating, movies with many plot keywords tend to be more entertaining than those with few. Yet, they are hidden, as is much else, for no good reason that I can figure, until you break out of the app to the main website. It's like an upsized version of the mobile app. Meh. All the little things need to be integrated into the app, or the app isn't nearly that useful. Instead, only the most common say 20% of functionality gets implemented, with a severely dumbed-down interface. If the site were redesigned to be more like an app, still having all the functionality right there, just maybe having some lists and menus collapsed by default, an app would be pointless. But, that takes as much work as designing the main website did, and I'm guessing many companies don't want to expend that much effort.

So if I want to find out about home loans in Wells Fargo I go to their website and check.

Why? Weren't apps going to replace all that?

That still doesn't explain your need for the desktop or Firefox extensions.

Well of course not. You're the one putting that all together. They're separate issues, that just happen to have a common solution: a user-controllable web browser to get to the same data from the same source. That solution also provides a common interface to use other parts of the web that haven't caught up, and websites that I can make more usable than they were intended to be.

 

[ictguy]

I can say the same for you. Take Amazon, IMDB, most any bank, or most any insurance company. How many apps give the full functionality the web site currently offers?

FI, if I'm looking at a movie, I've noticed that regardless of rating, movies with many plot keywords tend to be more entertaining than those with few. Yet, they are hidden, as is much else, for no good reason that I can figure, until you break out of the app to the main website. It's like an upsized version of the mobile app. Meh. All the little things need to be integrated into the app, or the app isn't nearly that useful. Instead, only the most common say 20% of functionality gets implemented, with a severely dumbed-down interface. If the site were redesigned to be more like an app, still having all the functionality right there, just maybe having some lists and menus collapsed by default, an app would be pointless. But, that takes as much work as designing the main website did, and I'm guessing many companies don't want to expend that much effort.

Why? Weren't apps going to replace all that?Well of course not. You're the one putting that all together. They're separate issues, that just happen to have a common solution: a user-controllable web browser to get to the same data from the same source. That solution also provides a common interface to use other parts of the web that haven't caught up, and websites that I can make more usable than they were intended to be.

Haha
Oh man. You still don't get it or are you joking?

We're talking about the FUTURE, not now, THE FUTURE.

Enjoy the IMDb website.

Hehe. You guys aren't real.

The web browser is going to DIE. There's nothing you can do about it.

I'm telling you and smarter guys than you have said it. The writing is on the wall. I told you ages ago this is the FUTURE we're talking about. Your stupendous lack of technical knowledge prevents you from imagining it. But it will happen.

The article I posted before your idiotic diatribe explains it in plain English, not from me, but an expert 3rd party. I posted it in the hopes that it would end this stupid discussion .

 

[Maximilian]

Guys hes got a crystal ball and can predict the future perfectly, why are you even bothering to argue with him?

 

[lxskllr]

Guys hes got a crystal ball and can predict the future perfectly, why are you even bothering to argue with him?

But he posted a link to an expert(Harrison Weber) who made some vague claims. He's published on the web, so you know he's an expert.

 

[Morbus]

Sorry, but you're wrong.

I may well be, but not in this. In this, I am open to discussion, and would like to hear your argument...

A browser isn't going to get any more relevant.

The internet will not be something that you go in and experience through a browser. We can see that happening more and more right now.


Second, there is no such thing as "Web 2.0", it's a made up term that really means nothing. Computer professionals laugh at that term.


I know about what I'm talking about than you do. You don't know me at all. You just don't understand what I'm saying because you have very limited knowledge on the subject.

Here is Harrison Weber, designer and Editor in NYC for The Next Web saying THE EXACT SAME THING I'm telling you. Read it and then tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.

Web & native apps are the future & the browser will never be the same


like I said before, most of you guys posting here are locked inside the Cooler Master Box sitting next to you and because you have limited technology knowledge, you can't see a future without a browser.

If there's an area of Technology that is and will keep advancing is the internet. The Internet is probably the single most important area of innovation in technology.

If you think the future is you sitting at home browsing on Firefox then you are really proving you know nothing of technology.

Alas, no argument whatsoever. How did you even manage to write that much without saying anything to back up your premise!?

So I'm calling you a troll.

As for my credentials, I'm strongly on the browser side of the fence, being a web developer myself, for 5 years now. I'm 26.

Your credentials? "You don't know me"? Trolling? You, sir, are the single biggest reason the internet is thriving today more than ever. The browser is thriving today more than ever. And our "web 2.0" comment proves that: you don't even understand the internet without it.

Not too long ago, all the internet was good for was simple web pages and message boards. You searched, you read and watched some pictures or movies, and that was it. For anything else, you needed something other than a browser.

And listen well, this is me giving an argument. Something you apparently have no notion of.

My argument is this:
- 15 years ago, if you wanted to play a game, you had to buy the CD and install it and play it. The most internet you could use in conjunction with gaming was downloading the pirated copy. And that was using software that was not a browser. Today? You can buy the game through the browser. You can even play the games through the browser. And no small part of the world is doing that. Facebook has games. And so do many portals, and have done that for a decade or more.
- 15 years ago, it was pretty much the same thing with music. Now? You can use youtube, or many of the music-focused web-based portals around. Even music software now uses the web to serve music.
- 15 years ago, it was the same thing with movies...
- 15 years ago, you didn't have digital pictures. Today, you take them and upload them directly to your web based cloud server. To show them through the browser, to other people.
- 15 years ago, you used the browser very rarely. Now you leave it open all day (this last argument may be based on personal experience, but I don't know a single person to which this doesn't apply, and I doubt anyone does, save for some special circunstances).

So, little troll, either grow up, you and your credentials, or show some real arguments to back your "the browser is going away"...

 

[Cerb]

Haha
Oh man. You still don't get it or are you joking?

We're talking about the FUTURE, not now, THE FUTURE.

I know enough to know I lack an accurate crystal ball, and that everyone else does, too. There is very little that can be well-predicted, and certainly not this.

 

[mikeymikec]

Best news to come out of Mozilla for 5 years. Awesome, but what they should do is immediately stop the whole chromification of firefox. NOW!

Perhaps they'll take a leaf out of Microsoft's book?

MS: You don't like Metro? Here's the Start button back, which starts Metro.

Mozilla: You don't like Australis/Chrome? Here's the Firefox button back. It makes the Android-style settings button menu appear on the right side of the screen.

 

[mikeymikec]

and thus marking the beginning of the death of the browsers.

it won't be a quick death, but the first signs are here, which is the death of the plugins. plugins will die first. when they die the websites will start the road to permanent death and thus the need for a stupid browser, which is nothing but a door to vulnerabilities.

I'd rather rely on one of a choice of browser makers than Adobe to fix vulnerabilities. If one browser maker can't do its job right, at least I can move on to another.

Adobe has the possibly worst track record for vulnerability patching for any major software company, possibly followed by Sun/Oracle with Java. Drop Adobe Reader, Flash and Java, and web page exploits drop by about 95%.

and this is the way I'm posting on here right now. Totally trumps any Anadtech ugly forum website experience.

Until your finger-paint interface lacks an option that can be found in the browser. That's the problem with over-simplified interfaces, it's a PITA (or impossible) to find options that aren't considered the most essential.

going from the browser to the app is good for those who want to control your experience

Which is exactly what AOL and Microsoft wanted to do with the Internet in the nineties.

I can say the same for you. Take Amazon, IMDB, most any bank, or most any insurance company. How many apps give the full functionality the web site currently offers?

The Amazon app for Android doesn't even allow me to buy stuff yet, I have to switch to a browser!

We're talking about the FUTURE, not now, THE FUTURE.

Guys, we've got someone here who can see the future! I would have a lot of questions for you if that was really the case.

 

[Ranulf]

We're talking about the FUTURE, not now, THE FUTURE.

Translated: You're not thinking fourth dimmensionally!

Whoah, this is heavy.

We're looking at now, now. What happened to then? We missed it! When!? Just now. When will then be now? Soon.

 

[PliotronX]

Translated: You're not thinking fourth dimmensionally!

Whoah, this is heavy.

We're looking at now, now. What happened to then? We missed it! When!? Just now. When will then be now? Soon.

Ludicrous speed, go!