Windows 10 is driving me crazy. Bandwidth and ram usage

mattpegher

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I hate Windows 10 but my new laptop came with it. Its hogging up bandwidth and ram without me having any programs open. It's limiting ram to programs I am running and clogging up the home wifi. Control panel wont let me disable much and task manager wont even let me stop programs that are running. Any Ideas before I try installing an old version of windows. Also with gaming a big use of this machine, I dont want to consider other OS's.
 

Crono

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Which programs are using up RAM? As far as I can tell, none of the Windows 10 processes use all that much versus past other recent versions of Windows (7, 8, 8.1) on any of the builds I own and have built, and if you set your connection to metered Windows won't use up much bandwidth, either (not that I notice it using up much bandwidth myself, but it probably does for updates).

Was this a clean install of Windows 10? I'd reset Windows (either through Recovery options in Settings, or by creating and booting from Windows 10 installation media) if not, as that would get rid of the Dell, HP, or whatever manufacturer's junk programs are hogging resources.
 
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mattpegher

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Its an Asus machine but some of the Asus programs are bloat and I should uninstall them. I cant figure out what is hogging the band width, when I set to metered it doesn't seem to stop it. But when I check my router meter it says that the problem is mostly uploads/outgoing about 800kbs and downloads about 500kbs. This is without anything visibly running. I ran iobit, and norton antivirus and the iobit and malwarebyte malware programs and cant seem to find out what it is transmitting. (aside - the asus router program to limit bandwidth is crap, although I must say I suck at network issues). This is an issue recently because I am replaying Fallen earth and my old Asus with windows 7 runs it fine and the new one lags severely irrespective of which wifi I am on at home or away.
 

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Reset Windows (ideally with installation media method I linked to earlier, as that would be free of manufacturer-added bloat), don't install anything other than essential drivers, and see if the problem is resolved. You don't need antimalware or antivirus - Windows has it's own - and often those suites contain security vulnerabilities themselves or cause issues. IOBit especially seems of questionable value.

At the very least you should be able to observe at which point the problem expresses itself again, as I doubt Windows itself is causing that level of network usage.
 

XavierMace

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So far you haven't really provided us with any info we could use to assist you. Unless you're on 3rd world internet, 800kbps isn't enough to cause major issues. You haven't given us any info on memory usage at all other than you think something's wrong.

On the other hand, you've listed 3 security programs which are all potential causes of performance issues. I also see a wide variety of complaints about Fallen Earth running poorly or not at all on Windows 10. It IS an older game at this point. Try a more recent MMO and see if you still experience issues.
 

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800 kbps upload is not normal for Windows unless you are running something like a torrent client or some kind of cloud backup program that is trying to copy your whole hard drive.

If you go to Task Manager and sort by Network use what does it show?
 

XavierMace

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800 kbps upload is not normal for Windows unless you are running something like a torrent client or some kind of cloud backup program that is trying to copy your whole hard drive.

If you go to Task Manager and sort by Network use what does it show?

I didn't say it was normal, I said it's not enough to cause major issues on most internet connections. I'd assume it's the peered updates.
 

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You sure you shut everything off you could? My in-laws win10 laptop was like that until I went in and shut everything off.
 

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Task Manager with the More Details option selected has shown me just about everything that is running, including how much bandwidth and memory they are using at any given moment. You might want to use Windows Update to get the Creators Update, which allows you disable a few more things from up front, such as One Drive, without having to go "behind the scenes" to do it.
 

Ratman6161

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I hate Windows 10 but my new laptop came with it. Its hogging up bandwidth and ram without me having any programs open. It's limiting ram to programs I am running and clogging up the home wifi. Control panel wont let me disable much and task manager wont even let me stop programs that are running. Any Ideas before I try installing an old version of windows. Also with gaming a big use of this machine, I dont want to consider other OS's.

Ok, this is something that most people have misunderstood about the way Windows manages memory for all versions of Windows after XP. Take a look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista_I/O_technologies#SuperFetch and specifically, look at the parts on Super Fetch which has been around since Vista. Esentially, your system monitors your software usage and tries to pre-load into RAM the things you most commonly use. As a result, those commonly used programs load a lot faster. So you are thinking: "but when I start a game I wont have enough RAM". Not true at all. If your game, or any other software you are actually running at the moment needs more RAM, the the least recently used items cached in RAM are kicked out to make room for it.

If you really feel you must disable Super Fetch, pres Windows key+R and in the Run window, type Services.msc and click OK. In the list of services, find the SuperFetch service and right click it then click properties and in the Startup type block, change it to disabled. Another way to change the behiavior of the

but I really don't recommend you do that as it doesnt really accomplish anything and would have a negative impact on overall system performance.

You can also consider disabling other services but I also would not recommend that unless you really understand what the services in question do.

EDIT: I should have asked but is your drive a disk drive or an SSD? SuperFech ignores software stored on SSD's because its fast enough where it doesn benefit from caching. Even if you are using an SSD, I would not worry about the number that the task manager shows for your memory usage. Unless you are having an actual problem running something then its essentially meaningless for this purpose.
 
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Prefetch isn't his issue though. Win10 is horrid and is set up out of the box horribly in hopes the non tech people will just deal with it. Seriously there needs to be laws in place for the BS these companies pull. All the telemetry stuff should be off by default, not on. Software licensing should be banned as well. Too bad our government has as much interested in datamining as the advertisement companies.
 

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Prefetch isn't his issue though. Win10 is horrid and is set up out of the box horribly in hopes the non tech people will just deal with it. Seriously there needs to be laws in place for the BS these companies pull. All the telemetry stuff should be off by default, not on. Software licensing should be banned as well. Too bad our government has as much interested in datamining as the advertisement companies.

Say what you want. Most people do not have these issues. I am in the preview program and have never had these issues. I believe the cure for the OP would be to DL the Creators update and do a fresh install.
 
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Is there anyone knows how to completely turn off the automatic update?
Unplug it from the net.

With all the 0-day malware floating around, there is no good reason to stop automatic updates all together.
Exceptions to this is for the Enterprise crowd.

I agree with RLGL, fresh install Win 10.
 

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It's an old problem, but do t forget to tell windows 10 that it can't get updates or share updates. I had this on 3 machines last year and turning it off and updates fixed the issue.

And no, Windows security is not sufficient. We should not allow the company that writes the OS with the vulnerabilities try to protect against exploits that use said vulnerabilities.
 

ImpulsE69

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Say what you want. Most people do not have these issues. I am in the preview program and have never had these issues. I believe the cure for the OP would be to DL the Creators update and do a fresh install.

Your reply to my post is confusing because your statement doesn't really have anything to do with what I stated. I don't have these issues either, because I fixed it out of the box. My complaint is that I actually purchased Win 10, so the 'you got it for free what do you expect' BS that everyone likes to spew doesn't apply. Yet I had to do the same thing, shut everything off. Also, you being in the preview program is irrelevant and your statement that 'most do not have these issues' is partly incorrect. Many DO have these issues, or WOULD, but people who know at least something about computers shut it off quickly. I am guessing you aren't just running stock Win10 without changing any settings, and if you are, congrats you are in the minority.

A reload of his OS may help, but his description doesn't lead me to believe it will.
 

Ratman6161

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Prefetch isn't his issue though. Win10 is horrid and is set up out of the box horribly in hopes the non tech people will just deal with it. Seriously there needs to be laws in place for the BS these companies pull. All the telemetry stuff should be off by default, not on. Software licensing should be banned as well. Too bad our government has as much interested in datamining as the advertisement companies.

Ummm...you do realize that just about all software is licensed in one way or another, right? Even open source software that you can download and use for free is still licensed to you...you don't own it.
 

ImpulsE69

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Ummm...you do realize that just about all software is licensed in one way or another, right? Even open source software that you can download and use for free is still licensed to you...you don't own it.

I do, but it doesn't change my wish, even if it is an empty wish. I should probably amend that more precisely to ToS agreements.