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Carfax83

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I just installed Windows 10 preview because I just couldn't help myself. So far, I have zero regrets. I just tested several games, and all of them play better than they did on Windows 8.1.. :thumbsup:

By better, I mean smoother and more fluid. I never look at frame rates because I always play with V-sync turned on at locked 60 FPS..

Smoothness and fluidity can be an issue for SLI setups like mine, because SLI increases frame time latency or variance. What I think is that the DX12 driver's thinner and more efficient architecture has improved frame time latency and consistency for my GTX 980s..

Give you an example. When I play DAI, I play at 1440p max settings 2x MSAA with V-sync turned on in the driver panel. V-sync on results in a slight bit of stuttering when panning the camera in certain locations under Windows 8.1, although the frame rate is locked at 60. What causes this is very subtle variations in frame time delivery which can interrupt the synchronicity between the monitor's refresh rate and the GPUS' output. To get around this, I would usually set V-sync to adaptive which corrects the problem for the most part, but introduces tearing at times..

Under Windows 10 at these same locations, the slight stuttering when panning the camera is totally absent now with V-sync forced on. I no longer need to set adaptive to avoid that problem..

I kind of thought this would happen which was why I risked it. If anyone does this, make sure to install the latest drivers. Right now I'm using the 352.84 drivers, which are only available for Windows 10. Also, the new browser Project Spartan is FAST! Has really awesome hardware acceleration

The only problem I've encountered so far, is that Dragon Age Inquisition refuses to recognize my Xbox One controller, which is extremely annoying. What's strange is that it recognizes my Xbox 360 controller though, which is really weird.
 
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dx12 only works on games that support dx12,no game does yet.
The newer drivers might be better for da:i but it has nothing to do with dx12.
It's more possible that the clean installation doesn't slow you down as much.
 
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Carfax83

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TheELF said:
dx12 only works on games that support dx12,no game does yet.
The newer drivers might be better for da:i but it has nothing to do with dx12.
It's more possible that the clean installation doesn't slow you down as much.
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DX12 isn't just an API, it's a entirely new driver model for Windows as well. The effect was similar when transitioning from Windows 7 to Windows 8.1. Due to the updated driver model which brings greater efficiency and lower overhead, you could see noticeable gains in performance and smoothness..

I agree that to see major gains from DX12 will require DX12 games. But that doesn't mean current DX11 games can't benefit from the DX12 driver's modern framework and low overhead.

Also I never did a clean installation. I just installed it over Windows 8.1.
 
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2is

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Another thing I've noticed in Win10 is hard drives suddenly got a whole lot faster. My Win 10 test bed is a Q6600 @ 3.1GHz, 8GB RAM, HD 5870, 250GB SSD for OS and apps and a 500GB HDD for steam games.

Just yesterday I wanted to test out some games that I already had installed on my main machine. Instead of downloading it I just transferred the game files via my LAN. Both machines sport gigabit Ethernet, both attached to a gigabit switch. It was roughly a 30GB transfer and my transfer rate was often times saturating the entire gigabit link. It would drop into the mid 600mbps range every once in a while, then pick right back up into the 900's.

The source of the files was a Samsung Evo 840 1TB SSD and the files were being written to a run of the mill Western Digital Blue HDD.

I don't know what kind of sorcery MS put into Windows 10, but I like it!
 
Ketchup

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I am with TheELF on this one. A fresh install can make a world of difference. I think the latest build of 10 does a good job, but as far as speed is concerned I would put it at the same level as 8.1.
 
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Exactly. A fresh install on any OS will make things seem super fast. Add the latest drivers as well and your golden for a good long while....
 
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Carfax83

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But I told you guys already, this isn't a fresh install. I installed it over my Windows 8.1 installation.

Later when the OS is fully released in retail, I'll do a clean install then on a secure erased SSD..
 
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Carfax83

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2is said:
Another thing I've noticed in Win10 is hard drives suddenly got a whole lot faster. My Win 10 test bed is a Q6600 @ 3.1GHz, 8GB RAM, HD 5870, 250GB SSD for OS and apps and a 500GB HDD for steam games.

I don't know what kind of sorcery MS put into Windows 10, but I like it!
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I've noticed that too. AC Unity for instance loads noticeably faster than it did under Windows 8.1.

I wonder if it could be Windows 10's better resource management, specifically memory?
 
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Carfax83 said:
But I told you guys already, this isn't a fresh install. I installed it over my Windows 8.1 installation.

Later when the OS is fully released in retail, I'll do a clean install then on a secure erased SSD..
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It's still pretty "fresh." It won't have as many startup programs, it doesn't have 100 "patches" that 8 has accumulated. It has a cleaner registry. They seem like little things, but they add up.
 
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Yes. Project Spartan sounds a lot cooler than Edge though but you cant expect big egoes executives to know how to name things
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Do you run Spartan web browser? do you have to install ad-block? how do you block element an example in ''firstrowsports''one of my favorite soccer streaming sites,but i have to use adblock in chrome due of shady adds that ride on the streams, i use Chrome with add-block Plus and i have no problems to block element and watch the sports streams without adds.
 
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BTRY B 529th FA BN said:
I've heard Windows 10 will be offered all the way down to Windows 7 users for free*.
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had to add the * there.

*The upgrade will be offered for free for 1 year after the release of windows 10, for all users of Win7,Win8,Win8.1

Past that 1 year after release, you will have to purchase it like any other upgrade
 
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BTRY B 529th FA BN

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Dahak said:
had to add the * there.

*The upgrade will be offered for free for 1 year after the release of windows 10, for all users of Win7,Win8,Win8.1

Past that 1 year after release, you will have to purchase it like any other upgrade
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I didn't hear about that. Where did you hear that from?

EDIT: Ah just re-checked the article, seems you are correct but it doesn't explain exactly the terms. I think if I had to pay after a year I would rather buy a hard copy / disc

"Microsoft's current intention is that the free upgrade will only be available for the first year. After that first year, conventional boxed upgrades of the kind that Microsoft has historically used will be sold. We wouldn't be tremendously surprised to see the free upgrade extended for one reason or another, but officially it's a time-limited offer."
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I first was under the impression that if one upgraded to windows 10 that it would be free and deciding to upgrade after that free year there would be a charge. I didn't assume there would be a charge for those who chose to upgrade within that year after the year was up.
 
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BTRY B 529th FA BN said:
I first was under the impression that if one upgraded to windows 10 that it would be free and deciding to upgrade after that free year there would be a charge. I didn't assume there would be a charge for those who chose to upgrade within that year after the year was up.
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There's not. Once you're on 10, you're on 10 for as long as you choose to use it. You just have to get it within the first year for it to be a freebie.
 
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jkauff said:
There's not. Once you're on 10, you're on 10 for as long as you choose to use it. You just have to get it within the first year for it to be a freebie.
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Freebie to obtain it, after the year you will have to go to a subscription or yearly fee for new features/updates, not including security updates I would imagine though.
 
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MongGrel

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Still tempted to try it out, I might before the end of the weekend on another one with 7 one it just to take a look.
 
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GrumpyMan said:
Freebie to obtain it, after the year you will have to go to a subscription or yearly fee for new features/updates, not including security updates I would imagine though.
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Stop talking out of your butt.

That is not, nor has it ever been the case.
 
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owensdj

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GrumpyMan, Microsoft has already said users who take the Windows 10 upgrade deal within the first year will have Windows 10 supported on their device for the life of the device, other than Enterprise users. Please don't post misinformation or speculation about licensing changes.
 
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