I keep hearing this word "dumbed down" but the fact is it happened decades ago remember DOS and how Windows(dumbed down) replaced it back then,personally I can use Win8 just fine on my desktop and laptop,using Netgear router/modem myself with one wired and rest wireless ie 9 or devices hooked up ie 2x Win7, 2x Win8,Ubuntu ,Android tablet,Android Smartphone,iphone, (my brothers) Sony bluray all working fine,btw had it all working on an Asus modem/router as well until a nice power cut killed my modem/router . Basically I spent a few days learning how Win8 works (on both my desktop and laptop)and got it like I use my ex-Win7 desktop without using a third party Start Menu,I even adapted to Metro(got my own columns,removed ones I don't need,ie made My games,My Win8 software etc..) basically all my programs within one or two clicks max regardless of if I'm on Metro or Desktop. I can understand people not liking how it looks(no OS is perfect) but its not hard to use or configure,I feel people blow those issues out of proportion,btw I don't have a touch screen either just a desktop/gamer using good old mouse and keyboard. Remember average consumer wants things easy and simple,we are considered advanced here at AT forums,remember what I said Windows was dumbed down decades ago,however saying all that you can do everything in Win8 like you did in Win7. I'm getting bored with Win8 now its rock stable and so easy to use lol bring on Win9 I want something new to play with .