WIN10 Video Scheduler Internal Error

[mxnerd]

Have you checked the Event Viewer? That's a very important source of info why system is having problems.

If it was a MOBO issue, wouldn’t other things not be working?

Motherboards always start to malfunction from somewhere, not necessarily particular components.

Just saw you have an old Z68 ASROCK motherboard. I did have an ASROCK motherboard that have a PCIE slot that's probably shorted or somehow, everytime I plug a PCIE card, the system either can't boot or not stable.

But that's many years back. They replace the motherboard and then everything is good. Don't remember the model though (gave it to my sister).

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Don't know if you need to update to it's beta BIOS to make it compatible with Windows 10?

https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z68 Pro3/index.asp#BIOS

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Heading to ASROCK forum probably will get your answer faster.

http://forum.asrock.com/default.asp

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Well, found this.

http://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=571&title=z68-pro3-gen-3-and-windows-10

It seems that you do need to update the BIOS, but don't know if its beta status is stable enough.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Those things could be connected. How old is the drive in question, and what capacity / brand?

Thing is, older HDDs that are on their way out, can cause pauses, freezing, slowdowns, slow boots, etc.

They can also drop off of Explorer.exe as a drive letter, if they screw up too badly.

What does Event Viewer say? Does it have some Red X with "Disk" listed? I expect that it might.

Edit: If you're doing a fresh install of Windows 10 for troubleshooting, what are you installing it onto (SSD or HDD, new or used), and can you try DISCONNECTING ALL OTHER SATA DRIVES (except for DVD-RW, and OS install drive), and then plug in the GPU? Windows 10 will then do stuff to install drivers automatically over the internet, if you're connected, and haven't disabled that feature using a 3rd-party program.

Have you checked the Event Viewer? That's a very important source of info why system is having problems.



Motherboards always start to malfunction from somewhere, not necessarily particular components.

Just saw you have an old Z68 ASROCK motherboard. I did have an ASROCK motherboard that have a PCIE slot that's probably shorted or somehow, everytime I plug a PCIE card, the system either can't boot or not stable.

But that's many years back. They replace the motherboard and then everything is good. Don't remember the model though (gave it to my sister).

==

Don't know if you need to update to it's beta BIOS to make it compatible with Windows 10?

https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z68 Pro3/index.asp#BIOS

==

Heading to ASROCK forum probably will get your answer faster.

http://forum.asrock.com/default.asp

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Well, found this.

http://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=571&title=z68-pro3-gen-3-and-windows-10

It seems that you do need to update the BIOS, but don't know if its beta status is stable enough.

Thanks guys.

All my drives pass chkdsk

I am in Event Viewer. It is showing 422 Administrative Events since Friday. These are the codes I see. Some of them repeat numerous times. These are the ones that show at around the time I inserted the new GPU.

Client Licensing

Device Setup Manager

Disk - paging operation

Display - igfx driver stopped responding; LogonUI has been blocked from accessing Graphics hardware

Distributed COM

Kernel Event Tracing

I am showing 0 events under Application and Service logs


I have been running WIN10 problem free for months before the BSOD hit me two weeks ago. I just read the bios article. Why would it be a bios issue if my PC was stable for months before this crash, with the only change being windows updates?

 

[mxnerd]

Could be WIndows 10 its self's problem. Nowadays everything is changing and always in beta.

Or try a different version of video driver.
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[Starbuck1975]

Could be WIndows 10 its self's problem. Nowadays everything is changing and always in beta.

Or try a different version of video driver.
.

Frustrating! What do you mean by change the video driver.

The onboard GPU works just fine with the driver provided by WIN10.

If I insert the new GPU, my system freezes before I can get into windows to upload the correct drivers.

Were you suggesting something else?

 

[mxnerd]

I mean don't install newest driver. Video card vendor usually keep several versions of drivers on their site.

If system freeze even before you can install vendor driver, I have no idea.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Is there a setting in BIOS to choose PCI-E mode (2.0 or 3.0) for the primary slot, or otherwise downgrade the PCI-E speeds of the primary slot?

I'm thinking that Z68 is where PCI-E 3.0 first appeared for Intel, and NV's drivers may be trying to enable it, and it may be unstable on your system.)

 

[Starbuck1975]

Is there a setting in BIOS to choose PCI-E mode (2.0 or 3.0) for the primary slot, or otherwise downgrade the PCI-E speeds of the primary slot?

I'm thinking that Z68 is where PCI-E 3.0 first appeared for Intel, and NV's drivers may be trying to enable it, and it may be unstable on your system.)

I haven’t touched the bios since my original build years ago, but here are my bios options:

Noticed something on the boot options. It lists Windows Boot Manager as the 1st boot option. Never seen that before.

North Bridge:

Low MMIO align
64M or 1024M
set to 64

Primary Graphics
Onboard, PCI-e, or PCI
set to PCI-e

Onboard VGA Share Memory
32, 64, 128, 256, 512
Set to auto

Render Standby
enabled

IGD multi monitor
Set to enabled

DVMT mode select
Only one choice, set to DVMT

DVMT memory
256 or maximum
Set to maximum

PCI Legacy Mode
Enabled

Not seeing a setting specific to the PCI-e version.

If we can’t solve it after this round, I am going to assume the slot is dead and get a new MOBO, RAM and Processor. This is an almost 8 year old build, it had a good life.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Which do you have? The Z68 Pro3, or the Z68 Pro3 Gen3?

https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z68 Pro3/

https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z68 Pro3 Gen3/index.asp

I'm guessing that the "Gen3" version, enabled PCI-E 3.0 on it.

Edit: After checking the specifications, that appears to be the case. The non-Gen3 version lists "PCI-E x16 2.0", whereas the Gen3 lists "PCI-E x16 3.0" for the primary PCI-E slot.

If you have the non-Gen3 (check the color scheme on your board and RAM slots?), then I'm not sure what to tell you.

If you DO have the Gen3 version, then:
1) Make sure that you've been BIOS-flashing with the right BIOS, and
2) See if it doesn't have a PCI-E x16 slot speed/standard setting, for "2.0" and "3.0". It should. (might be under CPU settings, and not chipset settings, as the Primary PCI-E slot is fed from the CPU, not the chipset.)

Hmm, checked the Z68 Pro3 Gen3 manual, doesn't mention a PCI-E mode selection for the primary slot anywhere. Surprising.

http://asrock.pc.cdn.bitgravity.com/Manual/Z68 Pro3 Gen3.pdf

Maybe it is time for a new rig, after all. Sorry.

Edit: I wonder if this dGPU issue has something to do with "Virtua" support on these boards? That was a scheme by which you would run a dGPU, but plug the output into the motherboard's onboard outputs, and the software, would copy the framebuffer from the dGPU into the onboard iGPU's memory for display. I forget why, whether this was supposed to somehow combine the power of the two, or allow for power-saving, or what, I don't remember. Anyways, it was discontinued, and has been "unsupported" for a while now.

I don't have any personal experience with Lucid Virtua, if anyone does, can someone offer advice? Maybe this feature needs to be disabled or enabled in BIOS somewhere. (IGD Multi-Monitor enabled too?)

If you enable IGD Multi-monitor, plug your monitor into your motherboard's video output, and boot Windows on the SSD, and then power-down, install the dGPU, can you boot up again, and install the drivers for the dGPU, while it's a secondary display, and then after the Windows' drivers are installed, boot into BIOS, switch off IGP multi-monitor, set PCI-E GPU to be "first", and then plug the monitor into the dGPU's outputs, and boot up again? Your BIOS may no longer be visible, but it should give you a display inside of Windows.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Which do you have? The Z68 Pro3, or the Z68 Pro3 Gen3?

https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z68 Pro3/

https://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z68 Pro3 Gen3/index.asp

I'm guessing that the "Gen3" version, enabled PCI-E 3.0 on it.

Edit: After checking the specifications, that appears to be the case. The non-Gen3 version lists "PCI-E x16 2.0", whereas the Gen3 lists "PCI-E x16 3.0" for the primary PCI-E slot.

If you have the non-Gen3 (check the color scheme on your board and RAM slots?), then I'm not sure what to tell you.

If you DO have the Gen3 version, then:
1) Make sure that you've been BIOS-flashing with the right BIOS, and
2) See if it doesn't have a PCI-E x16 slot speed/standard setting, for "2.0" and "3.0". It should. (might be under CPU settings, and not chipset settings, as the Primary PCI-E slot is fed from the CPU, not the chipset.)

Hmm, checked the Z68 Pro3 Gen3 manual, doesn't mention a PCI-E mode selection for the primary slot anywhere. Surprising.

http://asrock.pc.cdn.bitgravity.com/Manual/Z68 Pro3 Gen3.pdf

Maybe it is time for a new rig, after all. Sorry.

Edit: I wonder if this dGPU issue has something to do with "Virtua" support on these boards? That was a scheme by which you would run a dGPU, but plug the output into the motherboard's onboard outputs, and the software, would copy the framebuffer from the dGPU into the onboard iGPU's memory for display. I forget why, whether this was supposed to somehow combine the power of the two, or allow for power-saving, or what, I don't remember. Anyways, it was discontinued, and has been "unsupported" for a while now.

I don't have any personal experience with Lucid Virtua, if anyone does, can someone offer advice? Maybe this feature needs to be disabled or enabled in BIOS somewhere. (IGD Multi-Monitor enabled too?)

If you enable IGD Multi-monitor, plug your monitor into your motherboard's video output, and boot Windows on the SSD, and then power-down, install the dGPU, can you boot up again, and install the drivers for the dGPU, while it's a secondary display, and then after the Windows' drivers are installed, boot into BIOS, switch off IGP multi-monitor, set PCI-E GPU to be "first", and then plug the monitor into the dGPU's outputs, and boot up again? Your BIOS may no longer be visible, but it should give you a display inside of Windows.

Thank you! I don’t have the Gen3, it could just be I am at end of life. I am starting to price out new systems since his weekend there will be good deals.

As you can see, I get a lot of life out of my systems and don’t need lots of bells and whistles. I used to exclusively use Abit boards due to their having good support, documentation and intuitive bios settings.

Would you recommend an Intel or AMD based system? I used to always go with AMD and only chose Intel for this build because AMD had fallen behind, but it appears AMD has some compelling options right now.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Would you recommend an Intel or AMD based system? I used to always go with AMD and only chose Intel for this build because AMD had fallen behind, but it appears AMD has some compelling options right now.

Well, I would recommend starting a new thread in "Computer Building" or whatever they renamed "General Hardware" to.

Secondarily, I don't do a lot of gaming, but I've been VERY happy with my Ryzen R5 1600 CPUs and cheaper ASRock B350 boards for the last year or two or however long that I've had them. (Have gamed on them slightly.)

I do more productivity, mining, and 4K YT video watching. (Which isn't fully smooth, unless I shut off mining on the CPU, even though the CPU usage graphs in Task Manager aren't all full.)

There's some real bargains on the AMD side right this moment, ThreadRipper 1950X for $449 @ Newegg, and Ryzen 7 1700X (first-gen, 8C/16T) for $149.99, and on ebay too, with a 15% off coupon. (See Hot Deals.)

Intel prices are a bit higher than original MSRP right now, because of 14nm(+++) shortages.

As far as which you should go with, Intel still has an edge at 1080P gaming at higher refresh rates, but increase the resolution, and the CPUs tend to equalize in performance.

AMD has the edge in productivity and mining, due to their superior SMT support.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Well, I would recommend starting a new thread in "Computer Building" or whatever they renamed "General Hardware" to.

Secondarily, I don't do a lot of gaming, but I've been VERY happy with my Ryzen R5 1600 CPUs and cheaper ASRock B350 boards for the last year or two or however long that I've had them. (Have gamed on them slightly.)

I do more productivity, mining, and 4K YT video watching. (Which isn't fully smooth, unless I shut off mining on the CPU, even though the CPU usage graphs in Task Manager aren't all full.)

There's some real bargains on the AMD side right this moment, ThreadRipper 1950X for $449 @ Newegg, and Ryzen 7 1700X (first-gen, 8C/16T) for $149.99, and on ebay too, with a 15% off coupon. (See Hot Deals.)

Intel prices are a bit higher than original MSRP right now, because of 14nm(+++) shortages.

As far as which you should go with, Intel still has an edge at 1080P gaming at higher refresh rates, but increase the resolution, and the CPUs tend to equalize in performance.

AMD has the edge in productivity and mining, due to their superior SMT support.

Thank you for all the help. Too bad we couldn’t resolve but this system had a good life and I was able to recover my data. Happy Thanksgiving!

 

[VirtualLarry]

Happy Thanksgiving!

Happy Thanksgiving!