WIN 2K Service Pack 3 available for download from MS

[xylem]

yippee =)

 

[jdogg707]

I believe this has already been posted...but thanks for the info anyway...

 

[xylem]

Oops. Well, for those that missed it (like me)

 

[Kai4Linux]

BWT on slashdot, said the EULA changed for some more lovley spyware.

http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/02/08/04/132221.shtml?tid=109

 

[Woodchuck2000]

It's been out for about a week now. I'm holding off installing it because of the spyware, and because there have been a number of stability issues.

 

[RalfHutter]

Originally posted by: Woodchuck2000
I'm holding off installing it because of the spyware.

Fix for the spyware issue.

Originally posted by: Woodchuck2000
and because there have been a number of stability issues.

I've installed sp3 (slipstreamed) on 4 different boxes so far and all 4 are running 100% stable. No issues.

Personally, I give Win2000/sp3 two thumbs up. YMMV.

 

[Tannah]

Hmm I've hear of a few people having issues with windows 2000 SP3 aswell

I've also heard of an Autoupdate software built into SP3? is this true? and if so can it be shut off? I loath the idea of my computer installing stuff (especally M$ bugware updates) without my approval.

what other spyware is built into sp3? anyone know?

 

[sxr7171]

I disabled the auto update service in services. I hope that disables the spyware?

 

[pengin]

spyware? err, isn't this microsoft we're talking about? What type of spyware are we talking about? Like anoymous statistic reporting? or Banners or wut? I mean, this is microsoft right, i always assumed it would be pretty legit. hmmm

...
derek

 

[Tannah]

LOLROF
Micro$oft Legit.. what planet are you from?

ever since they pulled that stunt with windows 98 and the first IE 4 of sending info back to M$ without telling you.

I read a bit about how they are putting in or accessing a GUID on 2000, and checking the software versions of everything on your computer (and probably making sure everything is legit by getting serial nums)

I trust M$ to be upfront, as much as I trust a rabid grizzly bear not to mall some tourist..

anyone know how to look at this GUID? and what they use to bulid it?

 

[RalfHutter]

Geez people, it's the same Auto-Update as WinXP has and people don't get all freaked out about that.

If you don't like it you can turn it off. If you don't trust just turning it off you can disable the service. If you don't trust disabling the service, don't use sp3. What's the big fscking deal?

 

[Tannah]

The big deal is I went with 2000 over XP, I don't want 2K turning into XP.

And we all know M$ cant be trusted.. if they could be there would be no class action court cases, or antitrust cases against them.. I was looking for info not uniformed commentry.. but this is really getting off topic.. So

anyway:

so does anyone else have anyother Usefull Info about SP3 for 2K?

I have heard about major problem with SP3 were a application that you can't close or prevent from starting which takes up all your system resources. The result is a freeze every few seconds.. anyone else had this?

 

[RalfHutter]

I have 4 fresh slipstreamed Win2000 sp3s running right now. I have had zero problems with them.

The only recurring problems I've heard about involve Promise Controller cards, otherwise most people seem to be happy with it.

 

[m2kewl]

I've just rolled it out to 8 of my test servers all different hardware configurations, seems to run great. Haven't had issues as yet.

 

[Fisher999]

The Register has a story about this here. It doesn't give any suggestions to
defeating the problem but DOES include a few VERY INTERESTING links at the bottom of the page concerning EULA's.

 

[xylem]

CompuGeekIAM, I just read that info on the EULA that you mentioned (ROFL on the last one). IMO, MS is going way too far.

SP3 has been pretty stable for me so far, but I did have one occurence where two programs crashed while I had three or four open.

It seems that reasons for going back to SP2 are growing, but I'm going to wait to see if stability is a real issue or that was an extremely isolated incident.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Originally posted by: RalfHutter
I have 4 fresh slipstreamed Win2000 sp3s running right now. I have had zero problems with them.

The only recurring problems I've heard about involve Promise Controller cards, otherwise most people seem to be happy with it.

Curious, what are the issues with SP3 and Promise controller cards? I am running W2K SP2 right now on a 440BX system with a Promise Ultra66 card controlling the HDs.

 

[RalfHutter]

Originally posted by: VirtualLarry

Originally posted by: RalfHutter
I have 4 fresh slipstreamed Win2000 sp3s running right now. I have had zero problems with them.

The only recurring problems I've heard about involve Promise Controller cards, otherwise most people seem to be happy with it.

Curious, what are the issues with SP3 and Promise controller cards? I am running W2K SP2 right now on a 440BX system with a Promise Ultra66 card controlling the HDs.

Look on the OS forums at Ars and Hardocp.

 

[Tannah]

I've gotten confermation that Service pack 3 installs .net server and .net sp1 on your 2000 machine..

If you are concered about privacy this is a big problem.. if your not concerned about this and have no problems letting M$ look at most of the info on your computer this is real no big deal (and I think your crazy IMO)

looks like its back to SP2 for me..

have to look at the stuff on Hardocp see wha they have to say...

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Tannah
I've gotten confermation that Service pack 3 installs .net server and .net sp1 on your 2000 machine..

Really...That would be very interesting considering .Net Server is the name of the successor to Windows 2000 Server. So SP3, when I installed it on my desktop box, turned it in to a not-yet-released server OS. Very interesting, who exactly did you hear about this from? Perhaps you are thinking of the .Net framework. I don't know if it installs this or not, but all the .Net framework does is allows you to run apps build for the whole .Net system.

If you are concered about privacy this is a big problem.. if your not concerned about this and have no problems letting M$ look at most of the info on your computer this is real no big deal (and I think your crazy IMO)

How so (is this a big problem)? The .Net framework allows you to run .Net apps. You probably don't even have any. I'm not seeing the big problem here.

 

[Rainsford]

On a more positive note, I think SP3 is great. I installed it on my desktop test system at work as well as a print server I set up at work (Windows 2000 server). No problems at all. Some Hotfixes needed to be reinstalled, but none of them were critical and if you just bother to run Windows update you'd get it all worked out.

And guys, chill out about "M$ spyware" or whatever you want to call it. The EULA is just words, when they actually start doing this that make my computer behave in a way it shouldn't, I will be the first one to file a class action lawsuit against them. But until then, I have no reason to believe they are going to do anything, and why worry now when there's nothing you can do about it? And believe me, if they actually do anything bad with their new EULA power, they can and will be taken to court. They just barely escaped last time, I don't think they are going to risk another round with the justice department.

 

[Tannah]

well Rainsford I think your Crazy..
I actually told this by Friend thats a network admin to a large Corp that spans the USA and Canada. heh and no I'm not going to tell you which one.
and to quote what M$ has said.. "

Windows Update is committed to protecting your privacy. To provide you with the appropriate list of updates, Windows Update must collect a certain amount of configuration information from your computer. This information includes:

Operating-system version number and Product Identification number
Internet Explorer version number
Version numbers of other software
Plug and Play ID numbers of hardware devices
The Product Identification number is collected to confirm that you are running a validly licensed copy of Windows. A validly licensed copy of Windows ensures that you will receive on-going updates from Windows Update. Windows Update does not collect your name, address, e-mail address, or any other form of personally identifiable information. The configuration information collected is used only for the period of time that you are visiting the site, and is not saved.

To provide you with the best possible service, Windows Update also tracks and records how many unique machines visit its site and whether the download and installation of specific updates succeeded or failed. In order to do this, Windows generates a Globally Unique Identifier (GUID) that is stored on your computer to uniquely identify it. Windows Update records the GUID of the computer that attempted the download, the ID of the item that you attempted to download and install, and information about your operating system version and Internet Explorer version.

Because Windows Update does not collect personally identifiable information, the configuration information and GUID cannot be used to identify you.
Now all you have to do is read between the lines a bit here.. they don't have to collect any of your personal info to ID you all they have to do is record your IP then ask your ISP who was using that IP at that time, and all the other info falls into place, its really so simple..
I find it hard to believe that soo many people are trusting what M$ says. especally after its been proven so many times they can not be trusted (especally when they use double talk).. at best here I figure they are telling a half truth.. But I suppose there must be alot of MCSE people here to have such a level of trust.. lol
and Actually I've heard that .Net will be intagrated into existing OS's starting with 2000.. and will mature it the next OS that M$ releces, post XP

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Tannah
well Rainsford I think your Crazy..
I actually told this by Friend thats a network admin to a large Corp that spans the USA and Canada. heh and no I'm not going to tell you which one.

Well I checked my computer at work and apparently it can no longer download the .net framework from Windows update after installing the service pack. However, as I said above, the .net framework in no way invades your privacy and is only used to enable you to run applications written using the whole .net programming system.

and to quote what M$ has said.. "

Windows Update is committed to protecting your privacy. To provide you with the appropriate list of updates, Windows Update must collect a certain amount of configuration information from your computer. This information includes:

Operating-system version number and Product Identification number
Internet Explorer version number
Version numbers of other software
Plug and Play ID numbers of hardware devices
The Product Identification number is collected to confirm that you are running a validly licensed copy of Windows. A validly licensed copy of Windows ensures that you will receive on-going updates from Windows Update. Windows Update does not collect your name, address, e-mail address, or any other form of personally identifiable information. The configuration information collected is used only for the period of time that you are visiting the site, and is not saved.

To provide you with the best possible service, Windows Update also tracks and records how many unique machines visit its site and whether the download and installation of specific updates succeeded or failed. In order to do this, Windows generates a Globally Unique Identifier (GUID) that is stored on your computer to uniquely identify it. Windows Update records the GUID of the computer that attempted the download, the ID of the item that you attempted to download and install, and information about your operating system version and Internet Explorer version.

Because Windows Update does not collect personally identifiable information, the configuration information and GUID cannot be used to identify you.
Now all you have to do is read between the lines a bit here.. they don't have to collect any of your personal info to ID you all they have to do is record your IP then ask your ISP who was using that IP at that time, and all the other info falls into place, its really so simple..
I find it hard to believe that soo many people are trusting what M$ says. especally after its been proven so many times they can not be trusted (especally when they use double talk).. at best here I figure they are telling a half truth.. But I suppose there must be alot of MCSE people here to have such a level of trust.. lol
and Actually I've heard that .Net will be intagrated into existing OS's starting with 2000.. and will mature it the next OS that M$ releces, post XP

[/quote]
I think that you could successfully make the case in court that your IP is personally identifiable information. The other things they actually mention could in no way be traced to you no matter how hard they tried. If they get your IP they will probably be able to identify you, and if they do then by definition it must be personally identifiable information, mustn't it? And even if they did get this, do you really think it's that easy just to call up an ISP and ask for customer information? I mean, come on, MS or not, there is no way your ISP is just going to hand over your personal information if MS just asks nicely.

I am not an MCSE, however I use quite a lot of MS stuff in both my home and at work. Why? Because I appreciate the products and features that MS gives you. I think that they have some places they could improve on (like IIS for example), but so can every company. And why should I hate MS? What have they done to me? For the moment they've provided me with an OS that gets better with each release and is supported by ever program I use. They have not invaded my privacy (or anyone's privacy for that matter). Maybe some of their business practices were a little strong armed to their competitors, but they are hardly the only company doing that. And I'll be the first to admit they are far from perfect, but I like their products, and as long as they turn out decent products that I want to use, they will continue to get my business.

 

[mboy]

I have installed it on 4 machines. 3 no problem. 1 BIG problem. It seems to 1st time the install failed. I then noticed trouble with windows installer, especially on reboot when it was trying to open Pc Cillen anti virus, windows installer cameup (for no reason as the software has been running on their for a while)
Download and installed sp3 again, this time it is ok, but same windows installer problem.
Now I cant fix the damn thing.
Anyone know how to unisntall windows installer and reinstall it? I tried reinstalling it but it says it is aloready on ym computer, but then when you go to run it, it says it cant find it. Lovely. Thanx MS!

 

[NogginBoink]

Originally posted by: Tannah
well Rainsford I think your Crazy..
I actually told this by Friend thats a network admin to a large Corp that spans the USA and Canada. heh and no I'm not going to tell you which one.
and to quote what M$ has said.. "

Windows Update is committed to protecting your privacy. To provide you with the appropriate list of updates, Windows Update must collect a certain amount of configuration information from your computer. This information includes:

Operating-system version number and Product Identification number
Internet Explorer version number
Version numbers of other software
Plug and Play ID numbers of hardware devices
The Product Identification number is collected to confirm that you are running a validly licensed copy of Windows. A validly licensed copy of Windows ensures that you will receive on-going updates from Windows Update. Windows Update does not collect your name, address, e-mail address, or any other form of personally identifiable information. The configuration information collected is used only for the period of time that you are visiting the site, and is not saved.

To provide you with the best possible service, Windows Update also tracks and records how many unique machines visit its site and whether the download and installation of specific updates succeeded or failed. In order to do this, Windows generates a Globally Unique Identifier (GUID) that is stored on your computer to uniquely identify it. Windows Update records the GUID of the computer that attempted the download, the ID of the item that you attempted to download and install, and information about your operating system version and Internet Explorer version.

Because Windows Update does not collect personally identifiable information, the configuration information and GUID cannot be used to identify you.
Now all you have to do is read between the lines a bit here.. they don't have to collect any of your personal info to ID you all they have to do is record your IP then ask your ISP who was using that IP at that time, and all the other info falls into place, its really so simple..
I find it hard to believe that soo many people are trusting what M$ says. especally after its been proven so many times they can not be trusted (especally when they use double talk).. at best here I figure they are telling a half truth.. But I suppose there must be alot of MCSE people here to have such a level of trust.. lol
and Actually I've heard that .Net will be intagrated into existing OS's starting with 2000.. and will mature it the next OS that M$ releces, post XP

I fail to see how this is onerous.

Version numbers of (Microsoft) software and PnP ID's are needed so that WU can decide what updates are appropriate for your computer. WU has *always* worked that way. It compares PnP ID's of your hardware against updated drivers.

Or did you think that WU worked by magic before and MS is now collecting this information to somehow "get you?"

As for collecting the PID, to me this appears to be a valid and legitimate way to combat piracy. You got a pirated version of W2K? No updates for you! Fair enough.

What about this do you find so terrible?

(And do you really think MS has nothing better to do than to call up ISP's to ask who's using an IP address so that they can put a name with all those numbers? Really, MS has a business to run... what motivation would they have to do this?)