William Calley, At Long Last

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Good for him. This was necessary, for him and for our nation, and it was a long, long, long time coming.

During the trial in 1971, my own mother just flatly refused to believe the allegations. Many, many Americans didn't and simply couldn't believe that American boys would or could do such a thing.

My Mom just looked at me and I didn't have the heart to tell her otherwise.

My Dad said nothing. I think he knew. :(

Speaking in a soft, sometimes labored voice, the only U.S. Army officer convicted in the 1968 slayings of Vietnamese civilians at My Lai made an extraordinary public apology while speaking to a small group near the military base where he was court-martialed.

"There is not a day that goes by that I do not feel remorse for what happened that day in My Lai," William L. Calley told members of a local Kiwanis Club, the Columbus Ledger-Enquirer reported Friday. "I feel remorse for the Vietnamese who were killed, for their families, for the American soldiers involved and their families. I am very sorry."


Calley, 66, was a young Army lieutenant when a court-martial at nearby Fort Benning convicted him of murder in 1971 for killing 22 civilians during the infamous massacre of 500 men, women and children in Vietnam.

Though sentenced to life in prison, Calley ended up serving three years under house arrest after President Richard Nixon later reduced his sentence.

After his release, Calley stayed in Columbus and settled into a job at a jewelry store owned by his father-in-law before he moved to Atlanta a few years ago. He shied away from publicity and routinely turned down journalists' requests for interviews about My Lai.

But Calley broke his long silence Wednesday after accepting a longtime friend's invitation to speak at a meeting of the Kiwanis Club of Greater Columbus.

Wearing thick glasses and a blue blazer, he spoke softly into a microphone answering questions for a half-hour from about 50 Kiwanis members gathered for their weekly luncheon in a church meeting room.

"You could've heard a pin drop," said Al Fleming, who befriended Calley about 25 years ago and invited him to speak. "They were just slack-jawed that they were hearing this from him for the first time in nearly 40 years."

Both Fleming and Lennie Pease, the Kiwanis president, told The Associated Press in phone interviews Friday that Calley's apology came at the beginning of his brief remarks before he began taking questions.

William George Eckhardt, the chief prosecutor in the My Lai cases, said Friday he was unaware of Calley ever apologizing before. Eckhardt said that when he first heard the news "I just sort of cringed."

"It's hard to apologize for murdering so many people," said Eckhardt, now a law professor at the University of Missouri-Kansas City. "But at least there's an acknowledgment of responsibility."


Calley didn't deny taking part in the slayings on March 16, 1968, but insisted he was following orders from his superior, Capt. Ernest Medina -- a notion Eckhardt, the former prosecutor, rejects.

Medina was also tried by a court-martial in 1971, and was acquitted of all charges.

When asked if he broke the law by obeying an unlawful order, the newspaper reported, Calley replied: "I believe that is true."

"If you are asking why I did not stand up to them when I was given the orders, I will have to say that I was a second lieutenant getting orders from my commander and I followed them -- foolishly, I guess," Calley said.

Pease said the Kiwanis Club tried to keep Calley's appearance quiet, not wanting to attract outside attention. He said it was obvious that Calley had difficulty speaking to a group, though he addressed every question head-on -- and received a standing ovation when he finished.

"You could see that there was extreme remorse for everything that happened," Pease said. "He was very, very soft-spoken. It was a little difficult to hear him. You could see he was labored answering questions."

The last listed phone number for Calley in Atlanta has been disconnected. Fleming declined to give his number to an Associated Press reporter.

Fleming said he's spoken several times with Calley about his combat experiences in Vietnam. He describes Calley as "a compassionate guy," despite his infamous role at My Lai.

"I think he may feel like it was time to say something," Fleming said. "Over the years, I have come to know him so well that it doesn't seem like a great big thing anymore. But I guess it is."
 

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If I'd been a year older my number in 1971 would have been 14.

When I was due the following year: 364
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I was lucky.

It's hard to explain to people these days. There were many guys who served honorably.

Then there was Calley, Medina and the others. And the Army lies.

The initial report was something like "100 VC killed at My Lai". Who cares? A bunch of dead Commie Dinks.

To this day I don't believe a single damn word that comes out of the Army. The parallels between My Lai and Abu Ghraib seem so hauntingly familiar.

The scapegoat grunts take the heat - the truly guilty head off to the Officer's Club (or the Oval Office).
 

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Originally posted by: Perknose

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Good for him. This was necessary, for him and for our nation, and it was a long, long, long time coming.

My Lai is a terrible stain on our history. I'm glad Calley finally went public. Better late than never, but it's way overdue. I hope it doesn't take that long for the Bushwhackos and the CIA to come clean and apologize for their current criminal forays into torture, etc.

Originally posted by: dammitgibs

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During the trial in 1971, my own mother just flatly refused to believe the allegations.

Sounds like most neo-cons today.

For fucks sake can't you have a little respect

For WHAT??? :confused:

Calley's admission is good, but he's no hero. His failure to own up to My Lai until now is symptomatic of a larger history of denying our failures and failings over time, and that may be why the Bushwhackos thought they could get away with their own crimes.
 

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Doesn't sound like much of a story tbh (except libs love this stuff since they take it to justify their self- hatred) I mean its not like OJ confessing - the dude was convicted. McNamara apologizing was more meaningful since and he the admin made a war un-fightable and stressed these guys out (with media help). But even that seemed too late and sort of beside the point so many years latter.
 

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Originally posted by: BarrySotero
Doesn't sound like much of a story tbh (except libs love this stuff since they take it to justify their self- hatred) I mean its not like OJ confessing - the dude was convicted. McNamara apologizing was more meaningful since and he the admin made a war un-fightable and stressed these guys out (with media help). But even that seemed too late and sort of beside the point so many years latter.

If you support the vietnam war in any way you're a monster.
 

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I didn't say I supported the Vietnam war. For the record I wouldn't have - didn't like Iraq either. However once in it the Dems and media threw the troops down the well in both wars. I'm still waiting for the day when libs resent the enemy more than their own. With todays lib media and schools the US would have lost WWII - no doubt about it. They often have their own self worth issues and in their own minds make themselves small and unworthy in life and everyone else is big and more worthy - even the enemies (who they acquire a kind of false compensatory love for).

They project their own self image into the country as a whole. They function like a psychological autoimmune disease. They are conditioned to collapse under pressure of bad people (and see it as being "understanding" instead of cowardly) and then attack the good who want to fight back - and so remind them of what they lost. This s why liberalism is death centered. It breaks up families, ruptures individuals from their inner cores and delivers them to authorities, aborts babies, harvests embryos, makes diseases into badges of honor, perversions as better than normal, childless as better than "breeding", sex as better than love etc. It destructive pattern has a psychopathology to it. Much of it stems from bad parenting.

Ever see those horror movies from the 50's where a crew on a spaceship is trying to kill an alien out to get them but there is one oddball scientist who wants to save the alien "for science" or somesuch? That's a liberal right there. They try to love an enemy into a friend (and get a groovy self-image of themselves by being compulsively thoughtful and self-destructively sacrificing) and transfer their anger for the safe target - the people that stand up to the bullies.

Calley and all those other kids (Calley was 25 and in army like a year before massacre) were sent into a jungle and set up to fail by admin and media. I don't think they needed to be there but sending them to fight and then greasing the skids for them was the real shame.
 

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The soviet union won WW2 so I don't see how our media could have influenced it in any way. Also no soldier is deserving of praise for being a part of what our armed forces do.
 

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Originally posted by: ZeGermans
The soviet union won WW2 so I don't see how our media could have influenced it in any way. Also no soldier is deserving of praise for being a part of what our armed forces do.

Uh...
 

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Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Originally posted by: ZeGermans
The soviet union won WW2 so I don't see how our media could have influenced it in any way. Also no soldier is deserving of praise for being a part of what our armed forces do.

Uh...

I don't think I'd go so far as to say the Soviets WON WWII, but they certainly did their part in wearing out the German war machine.

I was in Vietnam during Calley's trial. News coverage was spotty at best, but no one I knew thought he should have been convicted. Right or wrong, he was following orders. FWIW, it didn't end with My Lai...when I left in August 1972, it was still happening, only perhaps not in as large of numbers.
 

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It's funny how the 'left's' position on these controversies seems, if they are ever solved, to have been write 90%+ of the time.

To be fair, there's one that comes to mind the right was correct about, Alger Hiss was a Soviet spy.

In fact, we just had the Bush adminstration playing politics with the terror alerts info in a thread yesterday.
 

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Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Originally posted by: ZeGermans
The soviet union won WW2 so I don't see how our media could have influenced it in any way. Also no soldier is deserving of praise for being a part of what our armed forces do.

Uh...

Of the allied military killed in WWII, the USSR had 65% of the losses, the US 2% (UK 2%, France 1%). It's fair to say the US has an underappreciation of the Soviet role.

If you look at civilaisns, the Soviet losses were between 10 and 15 million to the US 1,700.

Stalin was a monster, but he had a point when he complained about bearing the brunt of the war while he said the other allies delayed D-Day for years and let his country pay.
 

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Good for Calley.

I don't know much about the case, and we only have a snippet of his speech, but his apology didn't say "I'm sorry I killed or ordered killed those people. " Sounds like he's not truly taking responsibility for the crime.

To those of you politicizing this thread: Truly classy. :roll:
 

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Originally posted by: tk149
Good for Calley.

I don't know much about the case, and we only have a snippet of his speech, but his apology didn't say "I'm sorry I killed or ordered killed those people. " Sounds like he's not truly taking responsibility for the crime.

To those of you politicizing this thread: Truly classy. :roll:

When asked in 2004, referring to C Company's men involved in the massacre:

I mean, I wish I was a big enough man to say I forgive them, but I swear to God, I can't.

that is exactly how I feel.

Calley got 3.5 years of house arrest. He should've suffered a lot more.

edit: heres an excerpt: Dozens of people were herded into an irrigation ditch and other locations and killed with automatic weapons. A large group of about 70 to 80 villagers, rounded up by the 1st Platoon in the center of the village, were killed personally by Calley and by soldiers ordered to fire by Calley. Calley also shot two other large groups of civilians with a weapon taken from a soldier who had refused to do any further killing.

I'm sorry, but "My Bad, sorry" isn't going to cut it.
 

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Originally posted by: canadageek
Originally posted by: tk149
Good for Calley.

I don't know much about the case, and we only have a snippet of his speech, but his apology didn't say "I'm sorry I killed or ordered killed those people. " Sounds like he's not truly taking responsibility for the crime.

To those of you politicizing this thread: Truly classy. :roll:

When asked in 2004, referring to C Company's men involved in the massacre:

I mean, I wish I was a big enough man to say I forgive them, but I swear to God, I can't.

that is exactly how I feel.

Calley got 3.5 years of house arrest. He should've suffered a lot more.

Just to clarify, I believe that was a quote from Warrant Officer One Hugh Thompson who witnessed the killings from his helicopter and intervened. That man was a true hero.
 

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and he was rewarded with death threats and mutilated animal corpses on his doorstep when Amurrika learned about My Lai.

Thompson and the other two soldiers who worked with him at My Lai got their official "good job boys" only 30 years after the fact.
 

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Originally posted by: ZeGermans
The soviet union won WW2 so I don't see how our media could have influenced it in any way. Also no soldier is deserving of praise for being a part of what our armed forces do.

You mean, like defending your freedom to say moronic crap like that?? :roll:
 

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Originally posted by: marvdmartian
Originally posted by: ZeGermans
The soviet union won WW2 so I don't see how our media could have influenced it in any way. Also no soldier is deserving of praise for being a part of what our armed forces do.

You mean, like defending your freedom to say moronic crap like that?? :roll:

i believe lawyers defend his right to free speach, not the military.
 

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Playing devil's advocate here; I'm not saying anything they did was right, but most who have not been in war cannot understand what happens in these situations. Especially after months of constant duress. Hell, in controlled psychological studies a researcher can get a subject to attempt to send 400 volts of electricity through another human being (subjects only thought they were doing this, obviously). Another study showed that when subjects were divided into 'prisoners' and 'guard' groups, and then told to act appropriately for their positions, within a few days signs of abuse started to show on the parts of the guard groups. I'm not saying My Lai should've occurred, but to act like none of us could conceivably take part in it...well science has shown over and over again we are a violent lot.
 

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All I can notice is that the people of america are easy to sucker into foolish wars. We go to war for fun. Come on, admit it.
 

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Originally posted by: ZeGermans
The soviet union won WW2 so I don't see how our media could have influenced it in any way. Also no soldier is deserving of praise for being a part of what our armed forces do.

Uh...

I don't think I'd go so far as to say the Soviets WON WWII, but they certainly did their part in wearing out the German war machine.

I was in Vietnam during Calley's trial. News coverage was spotty at best, but no one I knew thought he should have been convicted. Right or wrong, he was following orders. FWIW, it didn't end with My Lai...when I left in August 1972, it was still happening, only perhaps not in as large of numbers.


I was there too, and I agree with what you posted.

edit - to clarify my position.

 

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Originally posted by: ZeGermans
The soviet union won WW2 so I don't see how our media could have influenced it in any way. Also no soldier is deserving of praise for being a part of what our armed forces do.

The Soviets did not expel the Axis from North Africa, topple Italy or liberate France. Also the Soviets did not defeat Japan with their last minute invasion of Manchuria after Germany was defeated by the Allies and the atomic bomb was dropped. Or did China win that one? Take it those efforts were greatly eased by Germany being occupied on The Eastern Front, but WW2 was far too complicated to label one nation as being the sole reason for Axis defeat.
 

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Originally posted by: tweaker2
Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Originally posted by: ZeGermans
The soviet union won WW2 so I don't see how our media could have influenced it in any way. Also no soldier is deserving of praise for being a part of what our armed forces do.

Uh...

I don't think I'd go so far as to say the Soviets WON WWII, but they certainly did their part in wearing out the German war machine.

I was in Vietnam during Calley's trial. News coverage was spotty at best, but no one I knew thought he should have been convicted. Right or wrong, he was following orders. FWIW, it didn't end with My Lai...when I left in August 1972, it was still happening, only perhaps not in as large of numbers.


I was there too, and I'd just like to confirm what you posted.

Calley was just the "fall-guy," or scapegoat for the government to put on public display.

It doesn't take much research on the Phoenix Program (or Phoenix Project) to see what was going on...and a bit of "reading between the lines" to see how entire villages were massacred, just like My Lai.

Because of my experiences in Vietnam, I don't doubt for a second the many reports that under Cheney, the CIA was back in the assassination business. They have a long history of doing exactly that.
 

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
It doesn't take much research on the Phoenix Program (or Phoenix Project) to see what was going on...and a bit of "reading between the lines" to see how entire villages were massacred, just like My Lai.

Actually, the Phoenix Program was FAR more targeted and "surgical." It focused on capturing/killing the VC leadership/infrastructure and was the antithesis of regular unit, large scale, indiscriminate village massacre reprisals.

It also had it's problems. Trust me on this.