Tu13erhead
Diamond Member
Yeah, they stock up on EVERYTHING when there's any chance of snow. I have no idea why, it makes no sense, but it happens.
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Will YOU survive the coming bird flu pandemic?
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Yeah, they stock up on EVERYTHING when there's any chance of snow. I have no idea why, it makes no sense, but it happens.
It is not nice to call people moron. You are just pissed because the price of chicken sammiches is goin up.
"You're a moron. You've obviously have no idea wtf you're talking about. Yeah, the Chinese, indian, and african nations that have been killing off millions of chickens have a huge stake in the pharmaceutical companies who are producing tamiflu. "
"You're a moron. You've obviously have no idea wtf you're talking about. Yeah, the Chinese, indian, and african nations that have been killing off millions of chickens have a huge stake in the pharmaceutical companies who are producing tamiflu. "
So just because it didn't occur because actions were taken, it wouldn't have occurred in the first place? SARS was jumped on quickly and isolated. Look at history, and every so often, there is a pandemic. If hundreds of millions get the flu each year, why is it so hard to believe that if this becomes airborn and goes from human to human, why this wouldn't affect hundreds of millions too? It would.
If the pharmaceuticals are making so much cash on this, then why is there such a shortage? You would think they would stop making ritalin and make tamiflu if there's such a profit in it.
And pressure from the WHO? So you're saying that Bush runs the WHO now?
Lotheron
Platinum Member
Nah.. its not worth worrying about things you CANNOT control. Wearing a seatbelt, stopping at red lights is something I can do.
Worrying about whether or not some bird craps on my car thus provide airborne illness is not something I care to worry about. I could die many OTHER ways today. Worrying about "catastrophic" disease number 6 this millineum is not something worth wasting your time on.
MisterJackson
Lifer
I'm stocking up on live chickens to survive....oh sh1t....wait a minute *cough* *cough*
If SARS wasn't in the headlines, it would have been much worst. Everytime even a single individual had it in a hospital, the entire hospital was quarantine.
I don't know why it's so difficult for people to understand how serious this could be. People get the flu every year... if this becomes as easily contagious as the flu, and just as many people get it, we're going to get tens if not a hundred millions deaths in NA alone.
People complain about the 'fear mongering'... but how is it affecting your lives right now? But if this does become airborn and spreads like the flu, i bet we're going to see these forums filled by the same people saying why the governments didn't take more action in the first place.
Show me some credible experts who say this isn't a problem.
Who is most at risk of bird flu?
Dr. Osterholm says that a typical flu season kills 36,000 people every year, and the very young and very old are most at risk "because they are the ones that are most vulnerable to infectious diseases."
Not exactly the case with bird flu, he says. If the bird flu is anything like the 1918 pandemic, the highest death rates could actually be "those between the ages of 20 and 40."
"In the months of September and October of 1918, 7 percent of the residents of Boston between 20 and 40 years of age died," he says.
How could individuals in the prime of their health be so susceptible to a disease? "It turns out that this virus multiplies very quickly in your body," Dr. Osterholm explains. "The people who have the healthiest immune systems are the ones that succumb to the virus because the immune system goes into overdrive."
The demographic least likely to survive the 1918 pandemic were pregnant women, Dr. Osterholm says. "Fifty-five percent of all pregnant women died from having this flu virus. There is no more precarious time in a healthy person's immune system, than [when they are] pregnant. Part of you says, 'Get rid of that [baby]. It's not all me.' And part of you says, 'This is the most precious cargo I'll ever carry. Protect it.'" This confusion makes bird flu extremely dangerous for pregnant women.
The ventillators are life support machines that keep comatose or unconscious patients alive, when they are no longer able to breathe for themselves.
otispunkmeyer
Lifer
yep....get everyone to panic and start buying random ****** STAT! why do the media feel the need to put the fear of god into people
they did it here......... there was like the very slightest hint of a terrorist attack in london ages ago or something to do with iraq....(long before the london bombings) and my mum went out n bought ****** loads of bottled water.....just in case. wtf? we live a good 8 hour drive from london
the bottled water companies must of made a killing that week
t a time when headlines trumpet the potential dangers of "bird flu," Gary Butcher is the man of the hour.
Butcher has been an extension veterinarian at the University of Florida's College of Veterinary Medicine since 1988. He was trained as a veterinarian specializing in avian diseases, and has a Ph.D. in poultry virology.
As the only poultry veterinarian in the state, Butcher fields phone calls and e-mails about avian flu every day.
Lately, he's been traveling the world, speaking to alarmed government officials and industry groups dispelling the myths and reinforcing the realities of avian influenza or so-called "bird flu."
Gary Butcher begins his presentation with a slide that shows a "news flash" from the British press agency Reuters reporting that avian flu "poses the single biggest threat to the world right now."
The H5N1 avian flu virus has led to the death of 150 million birds, either through infection or culling to prevent the virus from spreading. So far, however, the number of people who have become infected remains small, with 121 confirmed illnesses and 62 reported fatalities as of Monday. No one has yet been proven to have given avian influenza to someone else.
The World Health Organization continues to warn that a human pandemic may occur and has advised national governments to make contingency plans. President Bush is expected to announce today the White House strategy for handling a potential pandemic during a visit to the National Institutes of Health.
"The emphasis of all my work has changed to dealing with this madness," Butcher said Friday, while briefly back at his office on the UF campus in Gainesville. "Realistically, avian influenza is not a threat to people, but everywhere you go, it has turned into a circus."
He's been to Indonesia and Thailand, Hong Kong and Mexico, and a few days from now, he will be in Russia.
The poultry industries in those countries have been greatly disrupted because of the public's flu fear. In countries where poultry consumption has dropped by 75 percent, it's a real crisis, Butcher said. So from an economic perspective, bird flu is a big issue.
Millions of chickens and waterfowl have been slaughtered in Asia in an attempt to halt the spread of the bird virus known as H5N1, but Butcher said that of the billions of people who have probably been exposed, only about 120 have been reported to have fallen ill with avian flu. They were people who worked closely with chickens and came into contact with the birds' blood and feces.
Butcher also said that there has yet to be a proven case in which one person is known to have passed the illness on to another.
Bird flu viruses have been around throughout history, he said. What is unique about the H5N1 strain is that, on rare occasions, it has shown the ability to infect humans.
"It is very inefficient, but it does manage," Butcher said.
That same inefficiency makes it much more likely that the virus can't replicate itself rapidly enough to spread from that first infected human to another, he said. Could happen, but not likely. That's his view.
But the virus can go from poultry to the wild bird population, which will carry it to other locales along their migration routes.
If and when it comes to this part of the world, Butcher predicts, it will get here via migratory shorebirds or waterfowl coming from Russia, through Siberia, across the Bering Strait, down through Alaska and Canada.
"That's how it is probably going to come in, and it is of very little relevance," he said, because the poultry industry in this part of the world is so different than in the parts of the world that have been affected so far.
Not all health officials are sounding a warning about avian influenza, either.
Dr. Marc Siegel, a practicing internist and associate professor of medicine at the New York University School of Medicine, is one physician who isn't buying into the scare scenario.
"If anything is contagious right now, it's judgment clouded by fear," Siegel said.
And if Americans are scared of avian flu now, Siegel continues, "imagine what will happen if a single scrawny, flu-ridden migratory bird somehow manages to reach our shores."
That, he maintains, is how the fear epidemic - as opposed to a flu pandemic - spreads.
Back to the unlikely scenario of those migratory birds carrying avian flu to a poultry house somewhere in Kansas.
"Only once in every blue moon do you get infection in a poultry house, and the government has a system of monitoring and eradication that means it is quickly wiped out," Butcher said. "So it can happen, but it is rare and it is not allowed to spread."
Because the United States exports about one-third of the 9 billion poultry produced, if potentially dangerous disease turns up, there is a policy of zero tolerance.
"Other countries would not accept poultry from anywhere in the United States if there was any question of infection," Butcher said.
He said that although there is a potential that the virus could mutate, as it exists, it could not become an important disease in humans.
"For it to become dangerous to humans, it has to go through a pretty significant genetic change. If you put this in perspective, it's not going to happen. For a person to be infected now, it appears that the exposure level has to be astronomical," Butcher said.
"While we are putting all our attention on this avian influenza, another virus is going to come up and bite us in the bottom," he said.
dmcowen674
No Lifer
Natural population control.
Politicians don't care because both sides of the voting population are equally pared down.
Politicians don't care because both sides of the voting population are equally pared down.
Doctorweir
Golden Member
ROFLMAO :laugh:
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