will yao ming do well inthe nba.. or is he the next shawn bradley

[roncarter]

Hes not as skinny as bradley.. loooks like he gots some shotting skills.. not at clumsy.. but who knows.. I really think rockets will trade!

 

[Adul]

hard to say. But I think it is interesting to see how he does.

 

[McPhreak]

If he puts on about 100 lbs, he'd be crazy.

 

[roncarter]

i think he has good skills for a big man

 

[187]

hope the knicks find a way to get him.

 

[roncarter]

Originally posted by: 187
hope the knicks find a way to get him.

why..... there whole team suxs!

 

[Pennstate]

If he puts on about 100 lbs, he'd be crazy.


He's already 283 lbs. Another 100? Yes, a 383lb NBA player is crazy

 

[BuckleDownBen]

Originally posted by: Pennstate
If he puts on about 100 lbs, he'd be crazy.


He's already 283 lbs. Another 100? Yes, a 383lb NBA player is crazy

That would be almost as big as Stanley Roberts or John "Hotplate" Williams. I think if he can put on 20 pounds in his upper body he'll be dominant (after Shaq retires).

 

[SirDante]

Rik Smits with 3 range. Any other questions?

 

[SirDante]

Originally posted by: 187
hope the knicks find a way to get him.

The Knicks could literally trade their entire team and not have enough to get a #1 pick.

Layden is an idiot anyhow.

 

[badluck]

I don't see why people are so enamored with his "shooting" skills. I want a 7' 5" guy on the blocks doing damage. You can get a 6'6" guy to shoot if that's what you need. He definately needs more muscle to be able to hang down low. I don't think he's going to be an impact player in his 1st yr. As a matter of fact, I don't think any player will be an impact player out of the draft.

As a side note, I grew up playing against Caron Butler, and his cousin Carlos Butler. Racine, WI baby!!

 

[chansen]

Looks like he may be Houston's problem anyhow - unless they unload one of Franchise or Mobley to make way for Jay Williams. I figure Houston will jump at the chance to replace Dream - even with the Chinese government restrictions.

 

[NeoV]

"I grew up playing against Caron Butler"

How about "I grew up in the same area that Caron Butler is from"


There will not be any impact players from the upcoming draft? I think Jay Williams would like to disagree with you...your boy Caron for that matter should be a nice small forward for someone like the Cavs...

It will be interesting to see how long the Chinese goverment/sports body interferes with his career. If he can't get entire summers here playing with his team, he is always going to be a step behind. His conditioning is very poor, he needs to attend full NBA camps to get his stamina up..he got winded in that workout in Chicago when Kristofferson, the big sloth-esqe center from Oregon, was still going strong, which isn't a good sign. Skill-wise, he has a very nice jump-shot, and yes, his range extends out to the three point line, but other than drawing Shaq away from the basket for a play or two until they switch up defensively, what does that get you? If he can stay out of foul trouble and get in shape, he should be a factor defensively right away, but those two "ifs" are questionable at best. Still, he is a much better prospect than Bradley was.

The Rockets should trade down, Ming isn't the answers to their problems..

 

[badluck]

How about "I grew up in the same area that Caron Butler is from"

How about you know what the hell you are talking about b4 you write what you wrote????????



Also, an impact player is someone who will immediately lead their team to the playoffs....I just don't see any of these players with those capabilities. I go to KU and don't think Drew Gooden (who will be a top 5 pick) is even close to that type of player. Some have him going top 3.......

 

[NeoV]

so Pau Gasol was not an impact player?

How many impact players have their been, in the history of the NBA, under your definition, as rookies? Boy, you are really going out on a limb by saying that you don't think any of the rookies next year will lead their team into the playoffs...since the best ones go to the worst teams!

Let's see...David Robinson did it, Tim Duncan did it...wait a second...the Bulls didn't make the playoffs in Jordan's first year, so he wasn't an impact rookie...even though every sportscenter his rookie year led off with highlights of Bulls games....

Come on! An impact player as a rookie may require more than simply a starting role, but your criteria is WAY to restrictive.

I do agree with you about Gooden, I think you will see him slip as the draft gets closer and closer...watch out for Quintel Woods, a 6-9 juco player that brings McGrady to mind for many...

I also forget to mention in my initial reply that the Knicks suck....

 

[badluck]

We have a difference of opinion. You have lower standards than I do. I don't see any of these players as impact players. There are many aspects of being an impact player. I just don't see it in many of these players. Next, Caron isn't my boy. Would he know me if he saw me?? Yes. But don't get carried away........Oh and......M.J. was a different generation, don't try to compare current labels with players from different generations......Aside from that, do you see a player in this draft with M.J.'s talent? If so, give me some of that sh*t you are smoking......

On a side note.....Jay Wiliams won't be a good pro. He is going to have a hard time getting a shot up and isn't a natural PG. Time will tell, but I wouldn't take Jay Williams with the 5th pick. He can't even make a free throw down the stretch.....Your PG or SG has to be able to do this down the stretch.....

 

[Bobomatic]

If he uses his hight in the post then he will be good. If he doesent then he will go the way of shawn bradley and wang zhuzhu

 

[spanky]

yes it will be interesting. he looks kinda fraile... so i hope he isn't one of those injury plagued players. one thing is for sure... he's gonna be bounced around by other nba centers for the first year or two.

 

[The Dancing Peacock]

Originally posted by: badluck

How about "I grew up in the same area that Caron Butler is from"

How about you know what the hell you are talking about b4 you write what you wrote????????



Also, an impact player is someone who will immediately lead their team to the playoffs....I just don't see any of these players with those capabilities. I go to KU and don't think Drew Gooden (who will be a top 5 pick) is even close to that type of player. Some have him going top 3.......

That's a bit muich to ask of a rookie, don't you think? I define impact as starting. The Cav's haven't been to the playoffs, but how can you say Andre Miller is not an impact player?

Here's his line

G GS MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% AST STL BLK TO PF OFF DEF TOT PTS
2001-2002 81 81 37.3 5.9-12.9 .454 0.3-1.1 .253 4.5-5.5 .817 10.9 1.56 0.42 3.0 2.8 1.3 3.3 4.7 16.5

He played in all 81 games, shot 45%, not good from 3 (needs to find something to improve in for next year), 81% freethrows, led the LEAGUE with 10.9 assists/game, 1.5 steals/game, and 16.5 points. That's an impact to me. and he did impact that team in a big way, the rest of that team, for the most parts sucks though.

That aside, Yao Ming is a project still. The situation with China, his needed mental and physical adjustment to the rough NBA game, plus he needs conditioning and some bulk will prevent him from making an impact like Butler or maybe Dunleavy could. I don't like Jay Williams much either. He played lots of 2 guard in games at Duke. He isn't clutch with the FTs either. Gooden, IMO, is overrated. He's good, but not @ at the 3rd pick, I think he wants to be 3 and not a 4 in the league, which, imo is not a good place for him. Dunleavy is my darkhorse Rookie of the Year for next year. He has the basketball smarts and he'll be a good grab wherever he goes.

To whomever asked about why you want a center who can shoot? Answer: Shaq. You want someone that can take Shaq out of the key, to open it up for drives and cuts to the basket without worrying about him being there.

 

[spanky]

this thread is getting ugly...

 

[djheater]

I'm sorry I'm from Chicago... do people realy still play basketball?

 

[HamSupLo]

I think Mike Dunleavy is overrated. People say all this about his basketball smarts, but I don't see him making those college plays in the pros. He's more frail looking than Yao Ming and he's gonna get hammered.

Yao doesn't look have any bulk, but if he uses his size and his skills well, then he should put up decent numbers in his first year like Nowitzski and Gasol.

 

[SirDante]

me thinks badluck is confusing "impact" with "franchise"

 

[SirDante]

Originally posted by: jooksing
I think Mike Dunleavy is overrated. People say all this about his basketball smarts, but I don't see him making those college plays in the pros. He's more frail looking than Yao Ming and he's gonna get hammered.

Yao doesn't look have any bulk, but if he uses his size and his skills well, then he should put up decent numbers in his first year like Nowitzski and Gasol.

Gasol is frail looking.

Yao has solid legs. His upper body is the problem.

 

[NeoV]

in the old NBA (pre this year), yes, you would ideally have a big guy to bring Shaq out of the lane, but with today's rules, he doesn't have to go out there, and if needed, they can always run Horry out there....

I hate Duke as much as anyone on the planet, but Jay Williams is going to be a fantastic pro player...yes, he needs to work on his free throw shooting, but look at Baron Davis and his FT percentage...I think he compares favorably to him, with more quickness and a better outside shot....Iverson-like ability to break down one-on-one defenders.....

Dunleavy certainly looks like he should be a good pro player, great, great 3 point shooter, good passer, son of a coach, etc, etc...but again, wasn't that the book on Danny Ferry?

I never said anyone from this or any other draft compared to Jordan (at least not till next year and LeBron James), I was simply giving you an example of why your standards for an "impact rookie" were set way to high.....