Will upgrading DSL help with a slow network?

DonIsHere

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My office is running on a 10BaseT hub. Our DSL is set at 384/384. With the slow hub, will I see a noticeable difference if I upgrade the DSL to 1.5/368?
 

skyking

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Absolutely. The hub is not the bottlneck by any means. look at the numbers, 10Mbit vs 1.5 Mbit.
Before anyone chimes in with "get a switch", consider this;
The real IT guys here worked huge networks for years and years with 10baseT stuff, very effectively. Unless you plan on sharing big files between local machines, a 10baseT repeater network functions fine.
 

Pulsar

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10 megabit hub, or 1.2 megabytes a second maximum through put.

368 kilobyte dsl, .368 megabytes a second.

You have more internal bandwidth than external. Spend 40 bucks and upgrade your hub as well.
 

DonIsHere

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Duh. I should have known that.

TPTB up here are telling me to upgrade to a 100BaseT hub anyway. I asked the question only because I wanted to see if it it's worth upgrading the DSL before upgrading the hub.

Our two 10BaseT hubs are teh suck. Network drops and hiccups are all too common here. If we are gonna upgrade, might as well go 100BaseT.
 

DonIsHere

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Originally posted by: LsDPulsar
10 megabit hub, or 1.2 megabytes a second maximum through put.

368 kilobyte dsl, .368 megabytes a second.

You have more internal bandwidth than external. Spend 40 bucks and upgrade your hub as well.

The hubs are a little more than 40 bucks.

We have about 30 computers here so I figure two 16- or 24-port hubs are good. The 16's are $150 each at CDWG (we are an educational institution) and the 24's are $200 each.
 

Mellman

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you dont sound like you need a high end switch/hub....keep your eyes open, no-name 24 ports can be had for $40. heck if your lucky on ebay you can get 24 port 3com managed switches for $50-70
 

subflava

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We have about 30 computers here so I figure two 16- or 24-port hubs are good.

Wow, I seriously hope you mean "switch" when you say "hub". There is absolutely no reason these days to buy a hub when you can buy a switch for less money than a hub. Yes, that's right...due to the fact that no one buys hubs anymore, they aren't manufactured in nearly the same volume as switches so the prices are actually higher.

24's [port hubs] are $200 each
You can get a 24-port switch for $100 off CDWG...this one is a no-brainer.


The 384K/384K DSL speed is fine for web browsing, but anytime someone is downloading a file the rest of you might as well go take a break outside.


Oh, in case I haven't mentioned it...BUY A SWITCH!!! :)
 

DonIsHere

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Originally posted by: subflava
Oh, in case I haven't mentioned it...BUY A SWITCH!!! :)

That's what I've been thinking. There's a guy who calls himself the company's "Linux consultant" who says that buying a hub will allow you to monitor the network via SNMP. The thing is, with an office of only ~30 computers, there's no need for network monitoring. We're not popular in the fact that our firewall isn't getting pounded with hack attacks. I think he's saying that just to make himself look smarter. I really don't like listening to him, but my supervisors believe him more than me.

Anyway, I just found out that our DSL is 768/128, not 384/384. Still, 768 is slow to me for 30 computers.
 

alexXx

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i assume you mean 768kbit/128kbit, because if that moron poster from above is right, then 768Kbyte would be almost 10mbit speed. Your internet isnt even close to fast enough to warrant upgrading your hub. also, 768/128 is only 96Kbyte down/16kbyte up so for 30 computers that is quite slow. If all people are doing is webbrowsing then i could be sufficient, but as soon as someone does something other than webbrowsing he would kill the internet for everyone else.
 

subflava

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...who says that buying a hub will allow you to monitor the network via SNMP

Umm...if this guy really said that then it's time to get a new consultant. Are you sure he really said that? Maybe he meant that a hub can allow you to sniff/see network traffic? If you're not misquoting or misunderstanding him then he is a moron and I have no idea how he makes a living as a consultant. Anyways, if he really wants to sniff the network packets he should know that there are switches with port mirroring features which will accomplish the same thing.

SNMP has nothing to do with a hub...it's a software protocol that is implemented on many network devices (switches, routers, etc) and even PC's.
 

martind1

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just an fyi. if you want to improve your internal network, a new hub/switch will help.

If you want to improve your internet connection, then obvioulsy the DSL is what needs the upgrade.

Careful what you ask for.
 

DonIsHere

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Originally posted by: subflava
...who says that buying a hub will allow you to monitor the network via SNMP

Umm...if this guy really said that then it's time to get a new consultant. Are you sure he really said that? Maybe he meant that a hub can allow you to sniff/see network traffic? If you're not misquoting or misunderstanding him then he is a moron and I have no idea how he makes a living as a consultant. Anyways, if he really wants to sniff the network packets he should know that there are switches with port mirroring features which will accomplish the same thing.

SNMP has nothing to do with a hub...it's a software protocol that is implemented on many network devices (switches, routers, etc) and even PC's.

OK, I must have misquoted him because he changed his position when I emailed him today. He's recommending switches, which is what I was hoping he would do. But now, he's recommending switches that are non-blocking, have a couple Gigabit ports, etc. etc. Just having the non-blocking feature in a switch drives the price way up.

The Netgear FS750T 48-port switch without non-blocking is $478 at CDW.

BUT, the Netgear FSM750S 48-port switch WITH non-blocking is $848 at CDW.

Is the added cost of a non-blocking switch worth it in my office of 30 computers and 2 servers?