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Will Trump sexual assault accusations finally bring down his presidency?

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All of this stems from religious classical conditioning which has shaped church people into believing whatever bullshit they hear from the pulpit. As long as republicans lend an active ear to the church leaders they'll receive its backing at the polls.
 
shortylickens said:
No.

America knowingly elected a sexual predator. They are just fine with this guy. They shouldn't be. But they are.
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But but Slick Willy. Trumps accusations pale in comparison to what Bill Clinton has done. And yet no one on the left cares when Bill is at those old campaign rallies.
 
Trump raped his wife. Ripped out her hair and raped her. Then in the AM mocked her as she was crying in a bathroom.
 
bradly1101 said:
I know it's been mentioned before, but it's so mind-blowing to me that women came out in droves for Trump. Fame has its fortunes I guess. It explains Schwarzenegger in California even though he had his own problems with women, but at least he (kind of) apologized:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/02/recall.schwarzenegger/
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When you realize that people hate themselves you will see why they like abusers. The only women who are safe have to have self respect.
 
rudder said:
But but Slick Willy. Trumps accusations pale in comparison to what Bill Clinton has done. And yet no one on the left cares when Bill is at those old campaign rallies.
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Oh? How so? Care to explain why Bill's known consensual relationships are comparable to Trump's known, rape-happy predatory history?
 
Moonbeam said:
When you realize that people hate themselves you will see why they like abusers. The only women who are safe have to have self respect.
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It's hard not to hate yourself after being accustomed to repeated mistreatment and being seen as an object, a means to an end.
 
Sunburn74 said:
Trump raped his wife. Ripped out her hair and raped her. Then in the AM mocked her as she was crying in a bathroom.
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It's a sickening story. I suspect that his alleged behavior is far too removed from the imaginations of the every day person that it's hard to appreciate the horror appropriately. Sort of like the (questionable) Stalin quote: "one death is a tragedy; the death of millions a statistic".
 
bradly1101 said:
It's hard not to hate yourself after being accustomed to repeated mistreatment and being seen as an object, a means to an end.
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It's how everybody is treated in a competitive system, where everybody is seeking to be the best at what is meaningless. Only the meek and perhaps a few odd or grace created cases have a proper ego state that may push them to the end of their rope where some shock may make them let go of all of it.
 
interchange said:
It's a sickening story. I suspect that his alleged behavior is far too removed from the imaginations of the every day person that it's hard to appreciate the horror appropriately. Sort of like the (questionable) Stalin quote: "one death is a tragedy; the death of millions a statistic".
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I imagine that mostly we do not want to recognize the same feelings in ourselves, Trump didn't win because the feelings are rare but because we have an unconscious desire ourselves to express them. We are drawn like moths to our sickness. It is our unconscious desire to relive our childhood vicariously, to retrieve the real self we lost there, that compels an unconscious wish to recreate traumatic experience. Trump both wants to feel his ancient humiliation, the source of his egomaniacal narcissism, while defending against that conscious recognition to the death. At least that's how I see it. He has become a master of mental illness.
 
Oh hell no.

Trump has been a sleaze for decades, he's about as far from the (supposed) Christian ideal as you can get. He was on tape saying what he said about grabbing women by the you-know-what during the campaign. Despite all this, he not only gets GOP support but Evangelical and other religious groups to not only tolerate him but positively adore him. I might have said it was just to get the Supreme Court nominations (in order to overturn RvW) but they continue to adore him.

I'm pretty sure the only thing he could do to lose religious and GOP support would be to start revving up assistance programs for non-whites or something similar. You know, the kinds of things that Jesus might do were he to be made President LOL....
 
Moonbeam said:
It's how everybody is treated in a competitive system, where everybody is seeking to be the best at what is meaningless. Only the meek and perhaps a few odd or grace created cases have a proper ego state that may push them to the end of their rope where some shock may make them let go of all of it.
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Since we are still governed by our monkey-brains, comparison, and therefore competition, is wired in. Few rise above it or will ever step back and realize the harm all this creates; the neurological chemical and hormonal rewards are just too great. There is a path though.
 
Hmmmm President Kennedy sees a 19 year old intern, tells his chief of staff to ask her to go swimming with "The PRESIDENT" gets the 19 year old intern drunk illegally and then without consent has sex with the inebriated 19 year old intern.

Just think if Kennedy was a police officer, he'd be prosecuted for rape. Ooops i thought this was a thread about Presidents, not just Trump, so nevermind.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/mimi-and-the-president
 
imported_tajmahal said:
Hmmmm President Kennedy sees a 19 year old intern, tells his chief of staff to ask her to go swimming with "The PRESIDENT" gets the 19 year old intern drunk illegally and then without consent has sex with the inebriated 19 year old intern.

Just think if Kennedy was a police officer, he'd be prosecuted for rape. Ooops i thought this was a thread about Presidents, not just Trump, so nevermind.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/mimi-and-the-president
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bradly1101 said:
Since we are still governed by our monkey-brains, comparison, and therefore competition, is wired in. Few rise above it or will ever step back and realize the harm all this creates; the neurological chemical and hormonal rewards are just too great. There is a path though.
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All of this isn't the result of just our monkey brains, but the interaction of our monkey brains with thought. It is human language that creates comparison and competition, by creating ideas to which emotional experience may be attached, notions like good and evil, the desire for the one and the fear of the other, and how our past negative emotional experiences can be transmitted via words to our children. We see trees instead of the eternal forest from which our ancestors came and with which they were one and the same thing. It is thought that divides and creates time and duality out of the perfection of the universe. We are built with instincts that thoughtlessly kept us alive. Now we have brains full of concepts which help us predict and pass on experiences verbally. Now we are all infected with a thousand tons of cabbage in the form of unconscious assumptions we have and are unaware of how the operate, the prisons they create for our minds. We live in the Matrix. The program is within us. To get free of it you have to be flushed.
 
imported_tajmahal said:
Hmmmm President Kennedy sees a 19 year old intern, tells his chief of staff to ask her to go swimming with "The PRESIDENT" gets the 19 year old intern drunk illegally and then without consent has sex with the inebriated 19 year old intern.

Just think if Kennedy was a police officer, he'd be prosecuted for rape. Ooops i thought this was a thread about Presidents, not just Trump, so nevermind.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/mimi-and-the-president
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You would never allow the rape of a beloved family member be excused because of something some President did. You have to abandon the need to rationalize behavior on your side by behavior on the other. You owe it to yourself to be better than that and you owe it to others, I think.
 
Moonbeam said:
I imagine that mostly we do not want to recognize the same feelings in ourselves, Trump didn't win because the feelings are rare but because we have an unconscious desire ourselves to express them. We are drawn like moths to our sickness. It is our unconscious desire to relive our childhood vicariously, to retrieve the real self we lost there, that compels an unconscious wish to recreate traumatic experience. Trump both wants to feel his ancient humiliation, the source of his egomaniacal narcissism, while defending against that conscious recognition to the death. At least that's how I see it. He has become a master of mental illness.
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I think that you're (generally) right. Trump provides an interesting object. On the one hand someone that can help you vicariously indulge your unconscious drives that would be completely unacceptable. On the other hand be so completely different than a normal human being that you don't feel in danger of recognizing that you have those impulses whatsoever. And also we recognize the danger of him crashing and burning at any moment. So we can both experience our wish to be like him with a simultaneous aim of experiencing our wish that this part of ourselves be destroyed.
 
interchange said:
I think that you're (generally) right. Trump provides an interesting object. On the one hand someone that can help you vicariously indulge your unconscious drives that would be completely unacceptable. On the other hand be so completely different than a normal human being that you don't feel in danger of recognizing that you have those impulses whatsoever. And also we recognize the danger of him crashing and burning at any moment. So we can both experience our wish to be like him with a simultaneous aim of experiencing our wish that this part of ourselves be destroyed.
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The unspoken part of the bigger they are the harder they fall is that the bigger they are that more hope is offered to the similarly sick they will not fall, and the more collateral damage they create if they do fall. Perfected egotism requires a calamity to take down. The only alternative is for people to wake from his spell. He's down to what, 36%?
 
JEDI said:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/27/politics/trump-sexual-harassment-white-house/index.html

like it has for so many other Politian's and famous people.
or will he weather the storm, like he has for so many other controversies?
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Presidents are different than other politicians and celebs.

Precedent says a sitting President cannot be prosecuted for crimes alledged before becoming President. So 'no' as far as that goes.

Civil suits, however, can proceed as we saw under the Clinton admin.

However, Congress could impeach. High crimes and misdemeanors are basically whatever they say it is at this point.

Fern
 
Moonbeam said:
The unspoken part of the bigger they are the harder they fall is that the bigger they are that more hope is offered to the similarly sick they will not fall, and the more collateral damage they create if they do fall. Perfected egotism requires a calamity to take down. The only alternative is for people to wake from his spell. He's down to what, 36%?
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I think there's an error in your logic. The people who support and identify with Trump also harbor wishes that he'll fail (in spectacular fashion) out of simultaneous wish that this part of themselves will be destroyed.

Why, then, would you imagine those who reject Trump and outwardly condemn him don't harbor internally the opposite wish, that he might succeed in his egomaniacal ways so that this suppressed part of itself might come alive.

The real number to track isn't approval or disapproval. It's the ones who don't care. And that number is very small.
 
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