Will Trump postpone the election?

[Amused]

Doesn't matter if he does succeed at doing something he is constitutionally unable to do.. At the end of his term he is constitutionally obligated to vacate the office and the line of succession is activated. (Pelosi becomes president until an election can be held.)

So what we're REALLY asking here is will he suspend the US Constitution?

Because that is what will have to happen.

 

[cytg111]

On the night of October 22nd, Congress will burn to the ground, and it will be blamed on antifa.


Some will say a slow, porcine man, suspiciously resembling AG William Barr, was seen fleeing the scene shortly before the smoke was detected, but no one can be certain.

They got Prince for that shit...

 

[JEDIYoda]

Doesn't matter if he does succeed at doing something he is constitutionally unable to do.. At the end of his term he is constitutionally obligated to vacate the office and the line of succession is activated. (Pelosi becomes president until an election can be held.)

So what we're REALLY asking here is will he suspend the US Constitution?

Because that is what will have to happen.

hahahah thats a line of BS if i ever heard it! The constitution is only as good as those who enforce it!!! Thubnk about how corny what you just said
sounds....

 

[JEDIYoda]

Doesn't matter if he does succeed at doing something he is constitutionally unable to do.. At the end of his term he is constitutionally obligated to vacate the office and the line of succession is activated. (Pelosi becomes president until an election can be held.)

So what we're REALLY asking here is will he suspend the US Constitution?

Because that is what will have to happen.

The constitution is only as good as those who uphold it! The question is will anybody stand up against Trump if he ignored the Constitution?

 

[Amused]

hahahah thats a line of BS if i ever heard it! The constitution is only as good as those who enforce it!!! Thubnk about how corny what you just said
sounds....

If Trump does not have the military or courts backing his suspension of the constitution, he is out.

Granted, he has stacked the courts, however, I don't think he has staked them so much as for ANY of them to allow his to suspend the constitution in a succession/election crisis.

And the military just came out with a firm reminder to their soldiers, sailors and marines that the constitution trumps Trump.

A message to the Army community about civil unrest

Draft

www.army.mil

Dear Soldiers, Civilians, Family members and Soldiers for Life:

Over the past week, the country has suffered an explosion of frustration over the racial divisions that still plague us as Americans. And because your Army is a reflection of American society, those divisions live in the Army as well. We feel the frustration and anger. We felt it this week while traveling through the nation’s capital with the DC National Guard. We feel it, even though we can never fully understand the frustration and life experiences of people of color, in or out of uniform. But we do understand the importance of taking care of people, and of treating every person with dignity and respect.

Our ability to defend this country from all enemies, foreign and domestic, is founded upon a sacred trust with the American people. Racial division erodes that trust. Though we all aspire to live by the Army values of loyalty, duty, respect, selfless service, honor, integrity, and personal courage, the Army has sometimes fallen short. Because just as we reflect the best of America, we reflect its imperfections as well. We need to work harder to earn the trust of mothers and fathers who hesitate to hand their sons and daughters into our care. How we respond to the anger that has ignited will chart the course of that trust.

Every Soldier and Department of the Army Civilian swears an oath to support and defend the Constitution. That includes the right of the people peaceably to assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. We will continue to support and defend those rights, and we will continue to protect Americans, whether from enemies of the United States overseas, from COVID-19 at home, or from violence in our communities that threatens to drown out the voices begging us to listen. To Army leaders of all ranks, listen to your people, but don’t wait for them to come to you. Go to them. Ask the uncomfortable questions. Lead with compassion and humility, and create an environment in which people feel comfortable expressing grievances. Let us be the first to set the example. We are listening. And we will continue to put people first as long as we are leading the Army. Because people are our greatest strength.

God bless all of the people of our United States Army: our Soldiers, Families, Civilians, and Soldier for Life retirees and veterans. And God bless the United States of America.

Michael A. Grinston
Sergeant Major of the Army

James C. McConville
General, United States Army

Ryan D. McCarthy
Secretary of the Army

 

[JEDIYoda]

If Trump does not have the military or courts backing his suspension of the constitution, he is out.

Granted, he has stacked the courts, however, I don't think he has staked them so much as for ANY of them to allow his to suspend the constitution in a succession/election crisis.

And the military just came out with a firm reminder to their soldiers, sailors and marines that the constitution trumps Trump.

A message to the Army community about civil unrest

Draft

www.army.mil

Dear Soldiers, Civilians, Family members and Soldiers for Life:

Over the past week, the country has suffered an explosion of frustration over the racial divisions that still plague us as Americans. And because your Army is a reflection of American society, those divisions live in the Army as well. We feel the frustration and anger. We felt it this week while traveling through the nation’s capital with the DC National Guard. We feel it, even though we can never fully understand the frustration and life experiences of people of color, in or out of uniform. But we do understand the importance of taking care of people, and of treating every person with dignity and respect.

Our ability to defend this country from all enemies, foreign and domestic, is founded upon a sacred trust with the American people. Racial division erodes that trust. Though we all aspire to live by the Army values of loyalty, duty, respect, selfless service, honor, integrity, and personal courage, the Army has sometimes fallen short. Because just as we reflect the best of America, we reflect its imperfections as well. We need to work harder to earn the trust of mothers and fathers who hesitate to hand their sons and daughters into our care. How we respond to the anger that has ignited will chart the course of that trust.

Every Soldier and Department of the Army Civilian swears an oath to support and defend the Constitution. That includes the right of the people peaceably to assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. We will continue to support and defend those rights, and we will continue to protect Americans, whether from enemies of the United States overseas, from COVID-19 at home, or from violence in our communities that threatens to drown out the voices begging us to listen. To Army leaders of all ranks, listen to your people, but don’t wait for them to come to you. Go to them. Ask the uncomfortable questions. Lead with compassion and humility, and create an environment in which people feel comfortable expressing grievances. Let us be the first to set the example. We are listening. And we will continue to put people first as long as we are leading the Army. Because people are our greatest strength.

God bless all of the people of our United States Army: our Soldiers, Families, Civilians, and Soldier for Life retirees and veterans. And God bless the United States of America.

Michael A. Grinston
Sergeant Major of the Army

James C. McConville
General, United States Army

Ryan D. McCarthy
Secretary of the Army

I understand and have already read this but think about this for a moment -- the National guard was on the ground with weapons that shoot real bullets ready to use those weapons against Americans.....

 

[Amused]

I understand and have already read this but think about this for a moment -- the National guard was on the ground with weapons that shoot real bullets ready to use those weapons against Americans.....

At state governor's orders. They had not been federalized. And the mentions of doing so were soundly rebuffed.

I'm actually rather proud at how most responded to his mention of using the military against citizens, ESPECIALLY from the leadership of the military.

He's impotent and only the trappings of his office protect him now. As soon as his term is up he's toast. I do not believe he has the support to take dictatorial control.

 

[Jhhnn]

IIRC, the Russia propoganda machine spun up right after Trump made the statement "Russia if you're listening", so maybe not yet. Rest assured, even the GOP lead senate report said they would, and I agree.

Even ole zucky is not gonna try to stop them. Not sure who's got what on him, but it's gotta be a doozy

I'm sure Vlad's boys will try to do their part. OTOH, I'm sure Twitter & Facebook are not thrilled at all the way they were used & abused by an army of trolls & bots back in 2016, at the way malevolent actors exploited their platforms. I'm sure they've devised numerous counter measures, even if that's not been made apparent. It took considerable effort beforehand to put it together, effort that's likely being thwarted to some degree even as we type. It'll be tougher to mount the same sort of assault on the minds of susceptible voters.

 

[JEDIYoda]

At state governor's orders. They had not been federalized. And the mentions of doing so were soundly rebuffed.

I'm actually rather proud at how most responded to his mention of using the military against citizens, ESPECIALLY from the leadership of the military.

He's impotent and only the trappings of his office protect him now. As soon as his term is up he's toast. I do not believe he has the support to take dictatorial control.

No the national guard that the Governors asked for did not have weapons with real bullets on theiur person!
Nut the national Guard that was guarding the White house had those weapons! you knew what i was talking about! There really is a distinction in the two!
tO Clarify what you say -- In Minnesota, National Guard troops are armed, but carry their ammunition in pouches, said Army Maj. Gen. Jon Jensen, the state’s adjutant general. The troops are armed, said Jensen, because the FBI contacted Minnesota Guard officials saying they had received “a credible, lethal threat directed against the Minnesota National Guard.”

The weapons were not loaded........as opposed to the National guard in Washington DC....

 

[Jhhnn]

No the national guard that the Governors asked for did not have weapons with real bullets on theiur person!
Nut the national Guard that was guarding the White house had those weapons! you knew what i was talking about! There really is a distinction in the two!
tO Clarify what you say -- In Minnesota, National Guard troops are armed, but carry their ammunition in pouches, said Army Maj. Gen. Jon Jensen, the state’s adjutant general. The troops are armed, said Jensen, because the FBI contacted Minnesota Guard officials saying they had received “a credible, lethal threat directed against the Minnesota National Guard.”

The weapons were not loaded........as opposed to the National guard in Washington DC....

Where did you receive the information that the guardsmen in DC are carrying weapons other than those pepperball/ rubber bullet launchers?

 

[cytg111]

Where did you receive the information that the guardsmen in DC are carrying weapons other than those pepperball/ rubber bullet launchers?

I just assumed that their side arms is not loaded with dust, as well as the spare clips you can clearly see in the pictures

 

[Jhhnn]

I just assumed that their side arms is not loaded with dust, as well as the spare clips you can clearly see in the pictures

I'm being really honest here when I say I haven't seen pics of the Guard carrying firearms. DC authorities, yes.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Does Trump really want a race war on American soil???

 

[cytg111]

I'm being really honest here when I say I haven't seen pics of the Guard carrying firearms. DC authorities, yes.

Was thinking of a specific pic when the “green men” was first reported. Found this instead.

Barr says he didn’t give tactical order to clear protesters

Attorney General William Barr says law enforcement officers were already moving to push back protesters from a park in front of the White House when he arrived there Monday evening, and he says he did not give a command to disperse the crowd

accesswdun.com

 

[JEDIYoda]

always trying to err on the side of truth, I went back and did some more research...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/pentagon-disarms-guardsmen-in-washington-dc-in-signal-of-de-escalation/2020/06/05/324da91a-a733-11ea-8681-7d471bf20207_story.html

The Pentagon has told National Guardsmen deployed to the nation’s capital not to use firearms or ammunition, and has issued orders to send home active-duty troops that the Trump administration amassed outside the city in recent days, a sign of de-escalation in the federal response to protests in the city.
Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper made the decision to disarm the guard without consulting the White House, after President Trump ordered a militarized show of force on the streets of Washington to quell demonstrations that were punctured by an episode of looting Sunday, two senior administration officials said. Trump had encouraged the National Guard to be armed.
Initially, a small group of guardsmen deployed in the city had been carrying guns while standing outside monuments, but the bulk of the forces, such as those working with federal park police at Lafayette Square in front of the White House, didn’t carry firearms out of caution. Now, all of the roughly 5,000 guardsmen deployed to Washington from the District of Columbia and 11 states have been told not to use weapons or ammunition.


At a news conference Friday, Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy said that some guardsmen in the District had been carrying arms on Monday, but he noted that they did not have magazines of ammunition in their firearms. Beginning Tuesday, the Trump administration de-escalated further, he said, by removing firearms from the equation altogether.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

or a left wing conspiracy and with that burning all people who oppose Trump will be hunted down and hearded into camps and forced to make MAGA hats!!

Aw fuck they’re going to send us to China

 

[Jhhnn]

always trying to err on the side of truth, I went back and did some more research...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/pentagon-disarms-guardsmen-in-washington-dc-in-signal-of-de-escalation/2020/06/05/324da91a-a733-11ea-8681-7d471bf20207_story.html

The Pentagon has told National Guardsmen deployed to the nation’s capital not to use firearms or ammunition, and has issued orders to send home active-duty troops that the Trump administration amassed outside the city in recent days, a sign of de-escalation in the federal response to protests in the city.
Defense Secretary Mark T. Esper made the decision to disarm the guard without consulting the White House, after President Trump ordered a militarized show of force on the streets of Washington to quell demonstrations that were punctured by an episode of looting Sunday, two senior administration officials said. Trump had encouraged the National Guard to be armed.
Initially, a small group of guardsmen deployed in the city had been carrying guns while standing outside monuments, but the bulk of the forces, such as those working with federal park police at Lafayette Square in front of the White House, didn’t carry firearms out of caution. Now, all of the roughly 5,000 guardsmen deployed to Washington from the District of Columbia and 11 states have been told not to use weapons or ammunition.


At a news conference Friday, Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy said that some guardsmen in the District had been carrying arms on Monday, but he noted that they did not have magazines of ammunition in their firearms. Beginning Tuesday, the Trump administration de-escalated further, he said, by removing firearms from the equation altogether.

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Yes. Thank you. Trump's just dying for the shooting to start, isn't he? Esper's not having it, and that's a good thing. Other than MP units, guardsmen aren't trained in crowd control at all & might do something stupid, like Kent State. Best to eliminate the possibility.

 

[FaaR]

He will float the idea in a tweet but take an action nope

Dumpy in a pooptweet: "As President-Emperor-King I can do whatever I want whenever I want to anyone anywhere! My powers are absolute! MAGA!"

3 minutes later a concerned bunch of WH staffers/upper leadership goppers will tell him he actually doesn't have absolute power, and he'll quietly let the whole thing drop, never mentioned again. As has happened before, repeatedly.

 

[HomerJS]

He will do his best to fuck with it in his favor. Example post office may go broke without additional funding by Sept. I can easily see him not funding it because of timing it would hold up mail in ballots.

 

[BoomerD]

Elections are a state thing, not federal. King Donnie can't stop the.election...however, I wouldn't be at all surprised if, should he lose the election, he refuses to accept the resulta and fight it on the usual Trumpian claim of voter fraud...leaving the USSC to sort it out once again.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Elections are a state thing, not federal. King Donnie can't stop the.election...however, I wouldn't be at all surprised if, should he lose the election, he refuses to accept the resulta and fight it on the usual Trumpian claim of voter fraud...leaving the USSC to sort it out once again.

oh absolutely the amount of “fight” would depend on the margins. In the unlikely event it’s a blowout he will do it because he doesn’t have to use his money to fight it but the second it costs him money he will just bitch about it.

 

[eelw]

Oh he’ll fight it even if he loses all 50 states.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Imagine how much worse all this would be if the GOP held \both houses!!!

They held both houses the first 2 years of Trump's Presidency.. and they still couldn't get anything to pass except the tax bill.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I just assumed that their side arms is not loaded with dust, as well as the spare clips you can clearly see in the pictures

Arms are issued as a last resort in their rules of engagement. Deadly situations must be anticipated and if someone starts shooting the Guard can defend the lives of others including their own. We know that people have been murdered in the riots by citizens and I for one would use all measures up to and including deadly force as appropriate, not as a rogue agent and the military pounds that into their people. Shooting protesters on campus steps went out long ago and rightfully so. Although inferior in rank to officers and outside the normal "business as usual" of the military, the Sgt of the Army is respected more than any General, Secretary or President as far as the armed forces go. So if he signs onto something the military sure as hell will honor it over even Donnie if he decides to become "enemy domestic" by seizing the Office as his own.

The Scotus will side immediately to get Trump out and count on the Guard to remove him if the Secret Service doesn't drag him out in irons first. Remember once Trump crosses the line and is President by his say so he is a criminal trespasser and the courtesy of their protection ended. Even if not they will protect him physically while he is hauled out and imprisoned. Those who took an Oath in good faith can be real dicks and should be. Just ask me 😀

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Oh he’ll fight it even if he loses all 50 states.

That would be most pleasing to me as he can carry on trying to cause insurrection, sedition and more and see the deepest darkest solitary confinement settings with no communication due to his being a threat to national security. He does not understand what can be done with no real recourse. Go Fund Me isn't going to help in this scenario. No one will even know where he is.