Will this work

[GamerAT240]

Hey there,

I have a Packard Bell Pentium3 800Mhz/Intel 810e Graphics here, and my friend wants an upgrade (very cheap..... extremly in fact).

I've bought him a Radeon9600XT,ASRock mobo,512DDR333 and a Sempron2400+. But I need to recycle the old hard drive.

Now I really don't want to format at this time. If I need to after Christmas fine, but really don't want to have to now, so 2 quick questions :

Firstly what should I do in the device manager ?, should I just leave everything and install the new hardware when it boots ( in fact, will it boot ? I'm hoping it will into VGA mode etc ), or should I run through the entire list in device manager and click remove. I've never done this before so advice is appreciated.

Secondly, the OS is Win98SE, is there any chance that the OS checks the BIOS upon every boot?, and therefore won't boot since the BIOS will have changed ?
I ask because I know that Dell WinXP disks won't install on non-Dell machines by checking the BIOS, so was worried that a Packard Bell boot (just a boot, not an install) would do something similar.

Thanks for your advice.

 

[LTC8K6]

I have heard that you should change the IDE controller to the standard/generic one if you want to try this. You'll have to force the driver change, I believe. The generic IDE driver should work with any mobo. This might allow Win98 to boot.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

It has been a good while since I really played with 98 but you should be able to just delete the hardware enumerator key in the registry and that should do the trick.

 

[GamerAT240]

Thanks for the info guys. By deleting the hardware enumerator in the reg, what will this do exactly, just reset all the hardware drivers that Win98 recognises ? And will this mean I don't have to change the IDE driver too ?

And if I just edit the reg, I should turn it off and then fit it into the new computer? (as I presume by deleting it and rebooting it will pick up all the old hardware, want about 50 reboots and knowing 98, not find the drivers ??).

And lastly, not to sound idiotic, where is this key located ?

Thanks loads for the help.

 

[Agamar]

Will that motherboard even fit in the case? I thought most PB's were pretty much proprietary.

 

[GamerAT240]

Took me a second to understand what ya meant

I've bought a separate case and Power Supply for it. The only thing I'm harvesting from the PackardBell is the Samsung DVD-Rom, the FloppyDrive and the HardDrive (as well as the monitor, keyboard and mouse). A new hard drive would've made things easier but the budget was at the "straw that broke the Camels back, and then crushed him into the sand" stage

 

[GamerAT240]

Sorry, was being stupid,
Do you mean delete the hardware enumerator key for the Primary IDE Controller ?

Inside

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE -> enum -> MF ->child0000 -> PCI&amp;VEN_8060&amp;DEV<lots more funny charactors>

In here there is a key:

DeviceDesc : Primary IDE Control (single fifo)

also containing quite a few others including hardwareID and a key

MFG : "(standard harddisk drivers)"

Delete this key ?


EDIT:

And I've found a similar key in
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE -> System ->CurrentControlSet ->Services ->Classes -> hdc -> 0001

It also has the
DeviceDesc : Primary IDE Control (single fifo)

And also has a key
Provider : Microsoft
Thought I'd add that in, incase its a sign that its on a generic driver.

Thanks for the info.

 

[Boonesmi]

i havent done this for a looong time

but i still had it in my directory of "reference stuff" and its always worked with no problems for me. i dont remember who i got this info from, so i cant give credit where its due



**** below is a copy/paste of the info****

The quickest and EASIEST thing to do is to simply keep your OS. While many others have said it could take you weeks to sort out all of the hardware conflicts, simply delete the following registration key before your final shutdown on your old m/b, and Windows will redetect all of your hardware.

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum

It took me less than 15 minutes and no conflicts afterwards when I moved from my ABIT KT7-RAID to my Iwill KK266-R. I'm surprised nobody's offered the suggestion. I guess I'm the only MCSE that trolls the site


hope it works for you.. ohh and i forgot to mention it works fine with win98se

 

[GamerAT240]

Thanks loads for that. Really helpful.

So your saying delete the entire "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE -> enum" key. Thats LOADS and LOADS of subkeys being deleted, yea ?

As in, it has about 20 children, which have between 1 and ~30 keys, ie:LOADS ?

Just making sure incase I grind the system to a halt by deleting something you weren't telling me to delete.

Thanks again.

 

[Boonesmi]

yup, the whole thing

the next time you reboot all of the hardware will be re-detected and then windows can install the correct driver instead of the one that was instaled with the old packard bell

 

[GamerAT240]

Thanks, off to try that this second.

I hope
a)There is no 'boot detection' of the BIOS
b)The HD ain't too old for the mobo
c)That this works

I'll let you know by either a drunken reply (worked) or a drunken reply + crying (didn't work).

Cheers

 

[GamerAT240]

ok, I'm kinda worried now.

It booted straight away, and took ages installing stuff loads of PCI to Host Controller etc etc. I then loaded on the VIA 4in1 driver from the motherboard disk.

BIG PROBLEM. The display adapter keeps showing up "Standard PCI Graphics Adapter" and "Standard PCI Graphics Adapter (VGA)", both are wanting to install. But its nothing to do with PCI is it ? Its an AGP graphics card (the mobo is an ASRock K7VT4A+ so there shouldn't be any onboard graphics, and can't find anything in the BIOS). When I put the Saphire Radeon9600 XT disk in, it says something like "cannot install, try to install the 'standard vga display' driver before continuing". But when I remove the 2 entries under display adapters, and reboot, they just try and reinstall again. And nothing called "Standard VGA Display Adapter" tries to install.

I'm kinda freakin' out, worried that I won't have this done in time for Christmas (a present for the friend), any quick help is very much appreciated.

The worry is, even if I do a clean format and install, it'll do the same thing.

Please help.

 

[Boonesmi]

try checking "add/remove programs" and see if you can uninstall any video drivers (they would be the drivers from the video on the packardbell)

also make sure the motherboard has the latest bios. i had an asrock board that didnt work with a radeon 9800pro with the original bios (it was a known bios issue that was listed as a "fix" in the next bios revision)

 

[Boonesmi]

also, instead of using the cd that came with the video card... head to ati.com and get the drivers for win98 there.

 

[Blazer]

seems to me it would have been easier to install a new hard drive and reload,as drives are fairly cheap now

 

[GamerAT240]

I'm gonna format it and install WinXP, too late in the day to try and fix these kinda problems. My worry in this mobo won't work with this card, I've heard that getting an ASUS/ASRock+VIA+ATI to work can be a real pain in the butt.

 

[GamerAT240]

ok, a step closer, haven't installed XP. I used the latest Omega Drivers and the Radeon seems to have installed. I think everything is running except USB2.0 (cause I haven't put on the 98 drivers yet) and the AC97 audio.

I installed the drivers for the CMedia sound, and everything looks fine in DeviceManager, but in 'dxdiag' it says there is no soundcard.

Any ideas ?

 

[Boonesmi]

Originally posted by: GamerAT240
I'm gonna format it and install WinXP, too late in the day to try and fix these kinda problems. My worry in this mobo won't work with this card, I've heard that getting an ASUS/ASRock+VIA+ATI to work can be a real pain in the butt.

the mobo and video card should work just fine together. and if you do a fresh install of winxp you will probably not have any problems at all getting it all up and running.



as for the dxdiag not showing your video card... installing a harddrive with OS on a new mobo (like you did with the hdd with the OS from the packard bell on the new asrock board) this is usually only good for a short term fix. most likely you will have some problems like this until you get a chance to do a fresh install

 

[GamerAT240]

Hi, the vid card shows up fine in the DeviceManager, it was the sound card that wasn't.

I got a lend of a XWave-7000 PCI soundcard (ironically by CMedia, same as the integrated AC97) and it installed, and I got sound. But I keep getting new problems.

Firstly, this machine needs to run "Rome:Total War". Now the 2 previous Total War games were already installed. Medieval Total War now runs fine, but Shogun Total War (the earliest one) gives "illegal operation" as I try and start it, patched it, but no change.

Then I tried "Ground Control", it "illegal operation"s as soon as I click the exe, so I'm thinkin' there is still somethin' wrong here. It wouldn't matter as a short-term thing, but I can't try Rome:Total War until tomo and hope it runs.

Do you have any ideas why there 2 older games crash out with "illegal operation" errors ? Doesn't that sound alittle fishy, both doing it ? Though Medieval Total War runs ?

Finally, if I goto
Programs->Accessories->System Tools->System Information
it shows the Radeon on IRQ11, but also shows a USB host controllers on 11, the Ethernet Adapter (on the mobo), the soundcard, and ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering are all on 11 with the graphics card. Surely that isn't good ?

The Soundcard is in PCI slot 4, not 3 which I thought was the sharer with the Graphics card ? And why is the USBs being put on the same IRQ ?

Is this motherboard related, or would a fresh install of WinXP (Home) fix this ?

Help is so much appreciated, the pressure of trying to get this working for him by Christmas is crushing me.

Thanks

EDIT:
I'll just paste it outa the System Information so you can see:


0 System timer
1 Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural Keyboard
2 Programmable interrupt controller
3 Infrared PnP Serial Port (*PNP0510)
4 Communications Port (COM1)
5 ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
5 ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
5 VIA PCI to USB Enhanced Host Controller
5 VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
6 Standard Floppy Disk Controller
7 ECP Printer Port (LPT1)
8 System CMOS/real time clock
9 SCI IRQ used by ACPI bus
10 ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
10 Lucent Win Modem
10 VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
11 ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering
11 CMI8738/C3DX PCI Audio Device
11 VIA Rhine II Fast Ethernet Adapter
11 VIA Tech 3038 PCI to USB Universal Host Controller
11 RADEON 9600 SERIES (Omega 2.6.37)
12 PS2 (PS/2)
13 Numeric data processor
14 Primary IDE controller (dual fifo)
14 VIA Bus Master PCI IDE Controller
15 Secondary IDE controller (dual fifo)
15 VIA Bus Master PCI IDE Controller

In Total :
1 HardDrive in IDE1
1 DVD-ROM in IDE2
Radeon 9600 XT in AGP
XWave Soundcard in PCI 4
Lucent DialUp modem in PCI 2
Floppy Disk
512 Ram

Thanks again.

 

[Spikesoldier]

512mb on win98 is a complete waste. do him a big favor, get it out of the way, and get him running on XP.

 

[GamerAT240]

Do I have to move the soundcard from PCI Slot 4 to get it off of the IRQ of the Graphics Card though ? I presume I'll have to do this for WinXP as well?

 

[GamerAT240]

ok, by disabling the Radeon "Secondary Display Adapter" in DeviceManager I've got Shogun Total War working, so movin' on step by step. I'll leave the soundcard and radeon to share an IRQ for the minute (hope it doesn't crash it), I can live with some slowdown for now as long as it runs.

 

[Boonesmi]

Originally posted by: GamerAT240
Do I have to move the soundcard from PCI Slot 4 to get it off of the IRQ of the Graphics Card though ? I presume I'll have to do this for WinXP as well?

one of the really nice things about winXP is that you dont have to worry about IRQ's single IRQ is used as a gateway to 255 virtual IRQs

also, the onboard audio will work just as well as the pci addin sound card. (in the past the cpu took a fairly big hit when using onboard sound, but anymore it really dont make a difference) so you might want to consider just removing the soundcard and using the onboard sound

 

[GamerAT240]

You mean XP sorts out virtual IRQs so there is minimal sharing, no matter what the mobo does ?

98SE was workin' ok when I left it (is I hope), so I'm leaving as is so I can try and enjoy my own Christmas alittle without having to think about it. Just hope he plays away and everything stays working for a while. Can do without the stress for a bit.

Hopefully now I can just relax, and play some HalfLife2,......:thumbsup:

Thanks for all the help, hopefully everything will be ok for a while.

Cheers