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I think that the whole notion of inaction in the hopes of not upsetting terrorists is ridiculous. These terrorist types already want to kill us... why should we worry about offending them? Can they kill us twice?
I think this current military action will serve to curb terrorism at, at least, the state-sponsored level. It doesn't make being a suicide bomber so cool when you know your family isn't gonna get a dime from a regime that no longer exists.
If a bully pops me in the nose, I'm coming back with a baseball bat and I'm not gonna worry about pissing him off. The bully invariably finds somebody else to pick on.
I think this current military action will serve to curb terrorism at, at least, the state-sponsored level. It doesn't make being a suicide bomber so cool when you know your family isn't gonna get a dime from a regime that no longer exists.
If a bully pops me in the nose, I'm coming back with a baseball bat and I'm not gonna worry about pissing him off. The bully invariably finds somebody else to pick on.
When Iraqi soldiers mortar their own people, your "link" attributes the deaths to the US:
"The test for us remains whether the bullet (or equivalent) is attributed to a piece of weaponry where the trigger was pulled by a US or allied finger, or is due to "collateral damage" by either side (with the burden of responsibility falling squarely on the shoulders of those who initiate war without UN Security Council authorization). "
Sorry but blaming us when Saddam murders his own people isn't credible.
"The test for us remains whether the bullet (or equivalent) is attributed to a piece of weaponry where the trigger was pulled by a US or allied finger, or is due to "collateral damage" by either side (with the burden of responsibility falling squarely on the shoulders of those who initiate war without UN Security Council authorization). "
Sorry but blaming us when Saddam murders his own people isn't credible.
Don't get me wrong. I'm not defending Saddam. I know he is a bad guy, and ultimately we need to remove him.
But this war, this war is lack of justification.
Firstly, Bush Administration said, "there is a link between Iraq and Al-Qaeda."
Then they claimed, "they have WMD."
Finally "we have to remove Saddam for the Iraqi people."
I really suppored resolutions by UN even though it would take a long time.
I still believe it's much better way and safer way.
I don't think it will ultimately be the numbers of civilian casualties that spurs additional extremist anti-American sentiment, but the fact that pretty much all non-US media, including the BBC and especially Al-Jazeera, have been heavily emphasizing the death count and showing graphic images of dead and injured civilians.
All it took to incence many rank and file Al-Qaeda into hating the US was the presence of American forces in Saudi Arabia, who were pretty much minding their own business. How do you think Arabs with a mindset that gets fanatical over a few troops in Saudi Arabia are going to feel about American Troops keeping the peace (not how fanatics will see it) in Iraq and Afghanistan? Our increased presence is probably going to get them even more worked up.
If the war's only purpose was to reduce terrorism, it's pretty likely it will fail. I have no doubt that Iraq will be significantly better off, but sincerely fear that America will be marginally less safe in the long run because of the war. Given the horrible human suffering in pre-war Iraq, I personally can live with the tradeoff. Staying with the UN approach, despite all other arguments about its merits, wouldn't have magically eliminated all fanatical anti-US sentiment anyway.
All it took to incence many rank and file Al-Qaeda into hating the US was the presence of American forces in Saudi Arabia, who were pretty much minding their own business. How do you think Arabs with a mindset that gets fanatical over a few troops in Saudi Arabia are going to feel about American Troops keeping the peace (not how fanatics will see it) in Iraq and Afghanistan? Our increased presence is probably going to get them even more worked up.
If the war's only purpose was to reduce terrorism, it's pretty likely it will fail. I have no doubt that Iraq will be significantly better off, but sincerely fear that America will be marginally less safe in the long run because of the war. Given the horrible human suffering in pre-war Iraq, I personally can live with the tradeoff. Staying with the UN approach, despite all other arguments about its merits, wouldn't have magically eliminated all fanatical anti-US sentiment anyway.
I'm not saying you are.
I'm saying your link counts deaths caused by Saddam as deaths caused by the US and it's allies. I'm saying you link counts accidental deaths...or someone dying from dysentery as the fault of the US and it's allies. It's just not credible.
I can show you a thousand pics of Iraiqis waving, smiling, high fiving, giving thumbs up, etc at our troops, show me TEN pics of Iraqi citizens protesting our presence...
well some of those that wavs, smiles, giving tumbs up, might also be afraid of US troops too, thinking they might get the kill the same way if they don't show love and thanks to them just like thier republicguards. And a Pic is a pic, it all depends on whos took it and what it's use for. Pic don't mean much unless you have unbais sources.
TURN ON YOUR TV THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF IRAQI CITIZENS CHEERING US FORCES AND THROWING FLOWERS AT THEM RIGHT NOW IN BAGHDAD. THE PARTY HAS BEGUN.
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You are either really dumb or just pretending to be.
All that site does is add up all the reports from each of those news agencies. And half those agencies are anti-american propaganda machines.
Many of the civilian casualties in Bahgdad were cause by unguided Iraqi SAM's that went up and came straight back down. They even fired the guy that was in charge of air defense for Baghdad because the missiles kept hitting their own city.
So many of the reports from those agencies are made up or caused by Iraq. Even the ones that were actually caused by the Coalition are probably getting reported by more than one agency and they are adding the numbers.
Those stats are about as believable as the Iraqi Minister of Information.
You realize we don't actually have troops at the airport or in Bahgdad right?
It's all just pretend.
Saddam killed 5000 kurds with gases. None of them blew him up. He executed, tortured, raped, thousands of Iraqi civilians and their families. None of them blew him up.
Wake up,
the Iraqi people in Bahgdad and throughout Iraq are cheering us. They are tearing down the statues of Saddam. They are taking the pictures of Saddam that they are required by law to have in their homes and tearing them to shreds. They are tasting freedom for the first time in decades and they like it.
Yes, there will be terrorist groups that will use our presence in Iraq to recruit and motivate their followers. But it was already happening. They hate us because we are "sinners" (free from tyrannical enforcement of religious beliefs) and because we are a prosperous nation.
In the long run, helping build more free democratic and prosperous societies in the middle east will reduce terrorism.
There are already young people in Iran, Syria, Jordan, and other ME countries that are pushing for more democratic reforms. The freedom and success of the Iraqi society will encourage these groups to continue their efforts. The free access to press and speech that Iraq will now have will help to reduce the brainwashing going on throughout other Arab countries where the only press the people see is state run or state controlled.
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