Will this change the way we look at Bulldozer?

[BD231]

I was wondering the same about your comment. My point was to show how a reduced price would help a company. Forget about consumers. Businesses normally don't think long term (then there won't be outsourcing, right?), because they want to keep their stock price high "today"

If you drop the price on BD you can halve the transitor count and get better thermals/power consumption out of a Thuban with similar performance. I'd take a true six core over a fake 8 any day, but this has already been discused.

 

[max347]

No self-respecting WoW player...

???

Pics or shens. This is a myth.

 

[Blue Shift]

???

Pics or shens. This is a myth.

Indeed. WoW wasn't THAT demanding back in 2004...

 

[Silverforce11]

You can feel free to game on low/medium settings. No thanks. Just buy a <$100 discrete and you are much better. No self-respecting WoW player would game with a Llano, too little GPU and CPU power. Consoles would better suit you at that point.

If farmville is all you play, then any IGP will suffice.

Edit: Back on topic....no, this doesn't change how we see BD. It still sucks...

Wow was released in 2003. Whats the average CPU and GPU performance then? My rig back then ran WoW just fine.

It could still run it fine now if you dont max all the useless features. Llano is more than capable.

Edit: Just tested recently actually, my netbook-ish E-350 runs wow fine on medium at native res (1280), fine as in 45+ fps. Llano is easily 3-4 times faster.

 

[piesquared]

When the hell did this forum turn into art criticism? This isn't about perspective, this is about empirical evidence. Empirically, BD is trash.

What's next, a post about how Bulldozer is post-modern commentary on American free trade policy driving laborers to work harder but accomplish less?

You seem to be upset that more people don't feel the same way you do. I guess you'll just have to pound your war drumb louder.

 

[OCGuy]

Why is there a "hey, maybe BD is actually good!" thread posted almost every day?

 

[piesquared]

I don't think so. Cray made this committment before BD was released, and the shipment to Cray was announced before BD was released and reviewed.

BD definitely can make sense in areas that take advantage of the architecture and/or cores, but I do not believe this will make a difference to the perception. AMD needs to fix the issues and re-release a faster version (IPC), better clocks (Mhz) an reign-in power consumption to really change how BD is perceived.

If something makes sense to someone, they shouldn't use it because it has a bad perception? I bet the market that care about how Bulldozer is percieved is pretty small.

 

[piesquared]

This is old news. It doesn't make BD good; it just means Cray made a booboo, or got a really good pricing deal.

It's not just Cray, as you know. And in HPC, obviously pricing takes a back seat to performance so your theory doesn't work too well.